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the 2nd night of our September fun racing events was held last week with spdo Racing and Sonicrealms invited.
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Quote from keiran :

I'm in two minds about the penalty, ruins what was otherwise a great race. Hamilton clearly gains an advantage and was not forced off the track, he drove himself off the road. Did anything stop him backing out and sloting behind Kimi? Probably the knowledge he'd lose a lot of time in doing so, if that was gravel he'd never have even tried hanging on. Remember the difference guys, if you decide to do the walk of death around the outside you will always drive yourself off the track. Kimi's move into the first corner was hard but fair, he moved once to defend and then back to the racing line. Perfectly legit.

Hamilton on the other hand was weaving down the straight to stop the rocket slipstreaming him down the straight. Not the first time he has done that either...

Also whoever it was claiming Kimi overtook under yellows, get a grip. Hamilton was off the track, what was he supposed to do? The rule of overtaking under yellow is where a driver deliberately takes a place by fighting for it on track. I bet the yellows weren't even waving when the two of them entered that sector.

Gutted for Kimi, a class drive all out the window with 3 laps left. Was cheering for Alonso, was hoping he could get in there!

i was waiting for a similar comment after I started reading the thread, shame it took so long (some people do seem to be blindfolded here). good post.

Regarding the supposedly yellow flag incident with the williams. Hamilton messed up the turn, got far off from the apex and slid off the track. You guys really believe he did that on purpose to avoid the williams car? That`s nonsense. Had he braked earlier he would have made the inside of the turn just fine passing the williams round the outside of the next left hander. Kimi didn`t get off the track there because he saw hamilton running wide and braked earlier. Nobody would wait for a car that is off the track, why should kimi?

Quote from DeadWolfBones :

#19 had begun a pass further down the main straight and were 50%+ ahead of #40 going into the bridge bend. #19 took a normal line, and were visible from the #40 cockpit, and there was slight contact at the apex. Being the leading car, #19 had the right to the line and it was perhaps unwise for #40 to press the issue.

Racing incident, no penalty.

As far as I know the overtaking car has the responsibility for overtaking safely, you already mentioned before that you have to give enough space for other drivers/cars due to this being an online sport and you have to take lag into account, in my opinion Misan failed to do that. If you check the incident from his cockpit, you can see in the mirrors that I only appeared right at the turn in point for him, he mustn't think I just disappeared from the inside line and he can turn in like there was nobody there.
You make this sound like the car a bit ahead has no responsibility after he has slipped ahead by 50%, that may be true when overtaking on the inside, but on the outside? come on.

I cannot agree with the decision, but if that's what the admins think, so be it.

Quote from Commander :

Information by: Team Inferno (#40)
Protest against: Spdo Racing1 (#19)


Lap 114 1st turn under bridge. #19 was overtaking on the outside but has not yet completely passed #40. #40 was on the inside and got hit by turning-in car #19 and spun out. We lost considerable time there.
It would have been possible to give some room mates

actually it was lap 115, just completed 114.

Inferno skin for this round attached.

Quote from AlienT. :

Hey Viktor Sz. You are approaching Alien status mate, I've seen you racing on here and GTR2 online and iracing and your rather quick.......you are on my list of 'hated fast barstuads' .

What I find nice is that you get people like Dale Earnhardt Jr replying to peoples posts on the iRacing forum, helping with set up advise and likes.....jees i'm almost starstruck

hehe, I am good with tracks which don't have too many turns but alien status is something unreachable for me, usually by 0.5 seconds on average length circuits. The shorter the track, the less the difference

Where on earth did you get GTR2 from? I haven't played that game for 2 years now and never on public servers or international leagues. Maybe you are mixing me up with somebody, or you meant the v-wtcc? I took part in one event there at Brno, but that's all.

But thank you otherwise as a thank you gift, I have attached my skip barber setup for limerock, maybe some of you will find it useful.

Quote from Gabkicks :

i got my irating up to 4.41 today, so I can race the skippy! First i want to get my lap times down though, and I need to find a good setup since I'm a bit clueless about setups.

up to 4.41? you are starting out with 1600, so you got it down pretty much

Quote from Jertje :

Daniel, I'm seriously tempted to race at 4am just to get into the kind of races you get into. I'm in the situation where I come home from work, then I can do two skippy races, one before and one after dinner. Both are in mega-prime-time with fields where every driver shits out 58's like nothing.

I'll give it a spin this weekend when the parents are out, and noone is home to whine about wheel rumbling at night :P

you got put in a pretty weak field yesterday at 16:15 GMT together with me, I finally got a decent qualy laptime in, because I was frustrated in the previous races, there is no way to find a way past anybody at limerock, unless they make a mistake. Now with that time I could have been starting from pole even in a 2600+ rating field perhaps, but noooo, I get put into a 2200 something. Next fastest racer was 3 tenths slower.
At least I got my first skip barber win. And my irating still increased, though everybody had lower ratings than me.

Quote from csurdongulos :

Team Name: Team Inferno
Car Number: 40
Drivers:
J.Dombrowski [Commander] DEU
V.Szabo [csurdongulos] HUN
N.Đaković [N I K I] HRV

updated lineup, added Niki.

why hasn`t our entry been confirmed? is there something wrong with it?

Team Name: Team Inferno
Car Number: 40
Drivers:
J.Dombrowski [Commander] DEU
V.Szabo [csurdongulos] HUN

Quote from Jertje :

15-20 laps + 40-50 laps is like 1.5 hours of practice, and you're doing low 58's already?... that's quite nuts.

it's not like I haven't driven around lime rock a couple of hundred times in the solstices already, or that I haven't driven the skip barber at other tracks at all

Quote from Crommi :

Skippy is not really that crucial on setup, just get the car feeling the way you want it and keep that setup for all tracks. Only minor adjustments maybe needed to brake balance on different tracks.

have you had time to experiment with tyre pressures? I mean, I find the most important thing in the skip barber is to set the typre pressures fairly low (compared to baseline of course), I end up with 1 click higher on the front to have a bit more understeer for easier handling.

Otherwise I agree, once you got a setup that you are comfortable with, you just need to practise.

I tried lime rock before already, but my best was something mid 59. yesterday I got into the 58`s quite quickly. I needed a lot more laps (like 15-20) to get mid 58`s, which came by altering the line through the left hander a bit. After that it was another 40-50 laps to get a decent lap together without major errors to reach 58.36 in time trial. Basically you don`t know where you pick up the last tenths/hundredths, you just have to keep lapping and going consistent. Eventually you get the hang of it.

I am really hoping to get 58.2`s soon, it is only a tenth away, surely possible

Quote from Jertje :

What are your system specs, and the settings for fraps?
Does it also do this for other applications?

To steal the main idea though, here's a lap I recorded during my practice after the website-shutdown:

http://blip.tv/file/1110397/

It's a mid 1.25, and my first lap under 1.25.7 (I did about 10 of those in one session, infuriatingly enough) however I don't know where I'm losing more than a second. I know that I messed up the hairpin slightly, and that some of my lines were not very smooth, but apart from that I'm not sure how some people can be driving 1.24.1 etc, can anyway tell me where I'm losing the most time? - I might just be missing something.

although I myself am only at 1:25.3, I would say you lose a couple of tenths in the first few turns. the 2nd turn you are a bit slow accelerating out (losing momentum, apex speed looks fine), and the 4th turn before the short straight, you should try to stay closer to the left in the left hander before it, so you can be full throttle for the right hander earlier.

If you would get these a bit faster and not mess up the hairpin, you would be down in 1:24's for sure.

by the way, what tyre pressures were you using? I am with Huttu's setup from their website, which had really low pressures, but raised them 2-3 clicks overall and used 4 ARB at the rear.

edit: beaten by Crommi

Quote from richard dk :

Then it was you I raced two days ago, was not sure about it but I am now..

yep, that was me, but it being my first skippy race I was way off pace (did just 5 laps on Infineon before with it )

Quote from Linsen :

Anybody tried the Adv. Solstice on the Jefferson course, yet? Not my favourite kind of track, I must say. It's more like a very, very short Rallye stage than a road racing track. I'm really struggling to get into the mid 1:00s. And consistency is, well, I'm currently not even sure what that word means, tbh.

I did, and was really a pain in the ass, but after two races and two time trials I kind of got the hang of it, just made it into the 59's, but there surely must be more time in it as some people were running mid 59's with ease. The last turn is especially tricky with the double apex, you have to brake early, but can let off the brake pedal and roll the car in to scrub off speed until you go by the last pole on the right, when you can turn in for the 2nd apex.
At least that's how I try to do it.

I have moved on to the skip barber now on infineon, fun combination. I think Crommi won the race I took part in at 7 pm, but at least I got the fastest lap and had an exciting race, almost got 2nd.

Viktor Szabo here, by the way.

fe gold is one of my favourite tracks, so I would like to try.

in-game: V.Szabo
lfsw: csurdongulos

Quote from DeadWolfBones :

You can sign up two teams, but the chances of the 2nd team getting in for the next race (or even the one after that) are slim.

I would also warn against spreading yourselves too thin. I've seen many teams this season miss a race because a driver unexpectedly couldn't make the race.

we will stick to one team at first then, no problem.

Quote from baSh0r :

Here we are.

Team Name: Team Inferno
Car Model: FZR or XRR, depends on the weight balancing decision.
Team Manager: M. Golombeck (bash0r)
Team Vice-Manager: V. Szabo (csurdongulos)
Drivers:

M.Golombeck [bash0r]
M.Krönke [dpalonso]
J.Dombrowski [commander]
V.Szabo [csurdongulos]
H.Csaba [e2mustang]
A.Stables [gener_al (UK)]

If we dont need to finally decide our car decision now, we would be happy to tell you the decision after the weight balancing decision, thanks.

I would like to add another driver to the list:

M.Borsos [MikeF1]

are we allowed to start two teams?

Quote from shadow2kx :

Glad to hear that! It would be a great thing. Your team website is up and running since in joined LFS and I can't count the times I browsed it. I just hope that "sometime in the future" is not too far

well, to be honest it is out of my hands sadly, I wish I had the necessary skills to help our coder Gergo, but I am only reasonably good at driving around.

Quote from shadow2kx :

Team Inferno should realy think about updating their website. It look quite old and the setup table take age to load

we know that very well and we have updates coming sometime in the future, so don't worry about us

Quote from Alric :

Had to just say as I'm sure your well aware there are lots of idiots and impatient people in the world that like to gob off, but there are some of the opposite who wait quietly and appreciate you explaining to us whats in store for lfs in the future. Thanks Scawen. Alric.

I`m in the latter group as well, thanks for the updates Scawen, Eric!

Quote from BenjiMC :

Setups are user dependant. So that arguement is simply blunt since quality of sets is equal on both sites tbh. Same as quantity...

The difference is in functionality/eye candy, where i'll let you make your own decisions.

yes, that's is the main point here, some people might find completely different sets suitable for them, and where they find those is just down to luck.

Allowing public to upload setups on setupfield has had an effect of some sets with questionable credibility, but having checked some of those myself, I can assure you that despite the crap laptime it was posted with, the setup could be useful for somebody on that track (or as a base for another track) as it did not have totally weird values. Somebody may find that setup to be the best for him/herself.

Most people use these setups as a base anyways and tweak them to their liking, it is all about having something to start with, both sites allow this for the user.

Quote from [UKR] Race King :

What makes you think that SetupGrid hasn't got any good sets?Many world record holders have uploaded great sets in there as far as i know.

where in my two sentences above did I imply that there are no good sets at Setupgrid? I was just pointing out that your post had nothing to do with the question the poll was about.

Anyways, I vote for equal.

Quote from [UKR] Race King :

SetupGrid because setupField looks old and boring.

i agree that it's old and boring, but how does that affect the quality of the setups?

I wonder how many of the voters really understood what the poll was about.