Hmm, more likely it would be the older games not being supported by the newer drivers... ends up with the same thing, though.
Another thing, try running those games in win 98 compatibility mode.
Another thing, try running those games in win 98 compatibility mode.
Depends what your priorities are. If you have a high interest in video games or computers in general, spending money on that is an obvious choice, the same way you'll spend more money on whatever interest it is that you have.
Thing is though, you're not getting 90+ fps everywhere, unless you have the most up to date computer (which people don't have). Overclocking an older CPU might get you a boost good enough to allow for better applications to be run on your computer. That's true especially if you overclock the whole computer.
Besides, it's mostly free, unless you spend money on expensive cooling, and luke only spent around 30$ worth of cooling. Considering that buying a video card would be over 100$ (at the very least), overclocking becomes good for the money. The risk, if you know what you're doing, is really minimal. I don't really hear often of people breaking their computers with overclocking. When I do, it's always because of abysmal, beginner errors.
Now, luke: are those temperature under cpu load?
Also, what actually happens when you try to open the said games? Do they just not run, or do they run with graphic issues?
Anyway, I seriously doubt that a 2xxx graphics card (especially a AGP one) which dates back to 2006-07 would have issues with older games, itself being probably a DirectX9 only capable card.
As far as I know, DirectX9 is backwards compatible with previous versions. DirectX10 isn't, and has to rely on emulation of DX9 as it was on Windows XP. Since you're on XP, though, that shouldn't be your problem. So what happens with those games?
Anyway, I seriously doubt that a 2xxx graphics card (especially a AGP one) which dates back to 2006-07 would have issues with older games, itself being probably a DirectX9 only capable card.
As far as I know, DirectX9 is backwards compatible with previous versions. DirectX10 isn't, and has to rely on emulation of DX9 as it was on Windows XP. Since you're on XP, though, that shouldn't be your problem. So what happens with those games?
Your point being? Spend less and get less?
Hum, true, it is. I thought it wasn't available at these prices. Sure, that's a good 30$ invested, definitely worth it.
Let's see.
At the moment, the best money to performance ratio that you can get for around 200-250$ is a pair of either HD4850s or GTS250s. However, these cards are getting rather difficult to find, and do not have the newer DX11 technologies (eyefinity and such).
That doesn't mean much to you, anyway, since your motherboard only has one PCI-E slot, so you're looking for a single card. From ATI, there is basically only one card in this 200-250$ price range, the HD5830. The 5850 is too expensive (as well as overprice at the moment). So from ATI, the 5830 is the obvious choice.
Nvidia hasn't got out a new card DX11 to compete with the 5830 yet, and if what they have out in the DX11 generations so far (the expensive GTX 470/480) are a signs of things to come, it probably wouldn't be good anyway (they both suffer from heating issues). The current Nvidia cards still on sale for about the same price are the GTX 260 and 275 (the 260 being around 200$, and the 275 around 250$). The GTX260 offers about the same performance as the 5830, but it will be louder, less power efficient, and doesn't come with the goodness of 5xxx series (DX11 support and eyefinity). The GTX275 has the same downsides, but is faster than the 5830.
So your list goes as such:
~250$: GTX275
~230$: HD5830
~200$: GTX260
My recommendation is the 5830, simply because of the bonuses you get from it being a newer card. The noise and power consumption reduction are good things, as well as eyefinity, which is definitely something you'd want to read about considering you have three monitors. Eyefinity would basically get you rid of the Maxtor thingy. Straight connection to three monitors from one graphics card. Here's my recommendation: http://www.newegg.com/Product/ ... aspx?Item=N82E16814102879
As to where these card stands compared to your 8800GTX, they're definitely above, by a reasonable margin.
At the moment, the best money to performance ratio that you can get for around 200-250$ is a pair of either HD4850s or GTS250s. However, these cards are getting rather difficult to find, and do not have the newer DX11 technologies (eyefinity and such).
That doesn't mean much to you, anyway, since your motherboard only has one PCI-E slot, so you're looking for a single card. From ATI, there is basically only one card in this 200-250$ price range, the HD5830. The 5850 is too expensive (as well as overprice at the moment). So from ATI, the 5830 is the obvious choice.
Nvidia hasn't got out a new card DX11 to compete with the 5830 yet, and if what they have out in the DX11 generations so far (the expensive GTX 470/480) are a signs of things to come, it probably wouldn't be good anyway (they both suffer from heating issues). The current Nvidia cards still on sale for about the same price are the GTX 260 and 275 (the 260 being around 200$, and the 275 around 250$). The GTX260 offers about the same performance as the 5830, but it will be louder, less power efficient, and doesn't come with the goodness of 5xxx series (DX11 support and eyefinity). The GTX275 has the same downsides, but is faster than the 5830.
So your list goes as such:
~250$: GTX275
~230$: HD5830
~200$: GTX260
My recommendation is the 5830, simply because of the bonuses you get from it being a newer card. The noise and power consumption reduction are good things, as well as eyefinity, which is definitely something you'd want to read about considering you have three monitors. Eyefinity would basically get you rid of the Maxtor thingy. Straight connection to three monitors from one graphics card. Here's my recommendation: http://www.newegg.com/Product/ ... aspx?Item=N82E16814102879
As to where these card stands compared to your 8800GTX, they're definitely above, by a reasonable margin.
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Actually, one of the sensors is probably faulty, at least that'd be my guess. Morpha says it right, there are sensors inside each core, and one close to the CPU. Those should be getting the same temperatures, or something very similar.
The low temperature is the CPU one, so that's on the motherboard. It's probably faulty, or placed in such a retarded way that it doesn't really pick up the correct temperature ^^
Erm, I don't really get why the difference is so big, there really shouldn't be any. Anyway, go for the safe bet, and assume it's the higher temperature (it most probably is). Just to give an idea, my current CPU temp is 50C, and the 4 cores are all at 47C.
The FSB increases the speed of not only the CPU, but also other devices on the board (such as memory). If done correctly, you should in fact see the memory frequency increase.
Other way around. You'll want to increase the FSB until the system becomes unstable. At that point, increase the Vcore slightly. There's no point in increasing the Vcore if the system doesn't require it. Of course, by stable system, I mean at 100% load.
Did you try with a voltage around 1v and the FSB over 1400? Again, try not touching the voltage until you really need to. My voltage here is the default one, despite the CPU being overclocked 500 Mhz. As for the cooling, the best way to check if it's alright is to get the computer under 100% CPU load, and see how high it goes. If it's within the specifications of the CPU, you're pretty fine. I think mine is said to be fine until 65C or something like that, and it goes up to about 55C under intense load.
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You definitely don't want to go from 0.9x to 1.3x or something like that. You want to take baby steps. 1.3x is probably over the specifications of the CPU.
My default core voltage is 1.35v, and I'm currently 500mhz over default settings without increasing Vcore. If I was going to get more mhz, I'd maybe increase the Vcore, but probably not over 1.40v.
Also, keep in mind that, unlike increasing the multiplier (which I guess isn't an option for you), increasing the FSB actually overclocks the whole board, not just the CPU. So every bus is actually working faster. That's nice, but you definitely want to be careful with that.
My default core voltage is 1.35v, and I'm currently 500mhz over default settings without increasing Vcore. If I was going to get more mhz, I'd maybe increase the Vcore, but probably not over 1.40v.
Also, keep in mind that, unlike increasing the multiplier (which I guess isn't an option for you), increasing the FSB actually overclocks the whole board, not just the CPU. So every bus is actually working faster. That's nice, but you definitely want to be careful with that.
Technically, you don't need to increase the voltage unless the computer becomes unstable. Just slowly increase the FSB (and multiplicater if the processor is unlocked). Then, at some point, one of two things happens: it becomes too hot, or it crashes because of lack of voltage. Increase it slightly then.
Actually, I type with one of these from time to time, and, maybe it's just this particular keyboard, but I find the keys too heavy to be pressed at a convenient rate. Possibly the keyboard is just too old and stick, though. Honestly, I don't see what's wrong with newer keyboards. what really makes the difference to me is the shape and layout of the keys, not how they are built themselves.
So, I've watched the first 10 minutes or so, until the van is destroyed, and if I'd been in that chopper, I'd have shot as well. From the images there, it's hard to see what they're carrying, but being under constant threat of getting shot down, it's no wonder they assumed what they were carrying to be weapons. Also, at 2:37, you see a man poking his head out of the wall, with what I guess isn't, but appears very much to be an RPG. This is what ultimately triggers the shooting. From there on, they just act under the assumption that the man on the ground have anti-aircraft weapons, as well as assault rifles. In a war, if a wounded enemy picks up a weapon, you shoot him. If allies of the wounded come to help, you shoot them. Simply because reinforcements will rescue the wounded, salvage weapons and even possibly shoot at you, all of which are of course not wanted.
Once a chopper sees an AA gun, I'm sure everyone in it basically goes very tense, and it would probably take a lot to keep them from shooting. Same with HQ... if your chopper tells you he saw an AA gun, you'll allow him to engage for sure. The one thing that doesn't make sense is that, while the men appear to be carrying weapons, and that an individual pokes his head out of the wall in a threatening matter, the group overall doesn't look that threatening. They're not taking position right off the bat. They don't really act like a squad would.
But still, that will happen, yes. Who's to blame? Can you really send the guys in the chopper to martial court? They firmly believed they were under threat of an RPG, and so did the HQ.
edit: Oh, what I understand here is that they truly are carrying weapons and RPGs, but are allied? I guess that what is to blame then is the lack of communications at higher levels. If a group of allies doesn't tell you it's sending X number of men in area X, how are you to know they're allies?
Once a chopper sees an AA gun, I'm sure everyone in it basically goes very tense, and it would probably take a lot to keep them from shooting. Same with HQ... if your chopper tells you he saw an AA gun, you'll allow him to engage for sure. The one thing that doesn't make sense is that, while the men appear to be carrying weapons, and that an individual pokes his head out of the wall in a threatening matter, the group overall doesn't look that threatening. They're not taking position right off the bat. They don't really act like a squad would.
But still, that will happen, yes. Who's to blame? Can you really send the guys in the chopper to martial court? They firmly believed they were under threat of an RPG, and so did the HQ.
edit: Oh, what I understand here is that they truly are carrying weapons and RPGs, but are allied? I guess that what is to blame then is the lack of communications at higher levels. If a group of allies doesn't tell you it's sending X number of men in area X, how are you to know they're allies?
Tristan got my vote the moment I saw Stratos 
Then would the only way of having any kind of close racing be to standardize chassis too? If the engines cancel each other out, and that the drivers are pretty much equal, the only thing that would currently be making one go faster than the other is the chassis.
Problem with that is that the whole point of F1 would be lost, that is, to be the technological display of the car manufacturers (though that is arguably already in jeopardy). F1 has historically been a series much more dedicated to what cars are actually involved in the racing, as opposed to who's driving the cars and how the team manage them. In a series with both standardized engines and chassis (basically, the same car for everyone), the performance of the driver and of the team are much more crucial. I'm not claiming that we wouldn't see gaps in times, but 5 seconds? I think not.
You don't want to use any kind of window cleaner, simply because of the chemicals they may contain (notably ammonia), which are not good on an LCD. Just go buy some LCD cleaner. Think you can use isopropyl alcohol too. Use the same soft fiber cloth used to clean glasses.
In my opinion, LFS is hardly a sustainable project with the amount of development it receives, and from what we recently learned, simply from the amount of attention it receives. I do not think that Scawen at any point expected, or wanted, LFS to become a huge production game. He's got his style of work, and if it wasn't suited for him, he'd have found out by now. It is, however, not suited for the game.
In fact, maybe it's a sustainable project, but only that, and nothing more. Stagnancy is not something you want a video game to do.
Hiring more people would really be the only way to get out of this in a significant way, but obviously that will not happen.
I've always liked LFS (proof, I'm still here), and I've always thought that it was a project with immense potential. However, at this point in time, I'm forced to admit that it will remain a project with unfulfilled hopes; whose potential will remain untouched. I'm still fond of this game, but maybe I'm just kidding myself when I come to these forums every day, to see if there's something interesting new going on.
Ultimately, I think that Scawen's idea of the game simply does not fit anybody else but him. This is not how you develop a successful video game.
In fact, maybe it's a sustainable project, but only that, and nothing more. Stagnancy is not something you want a video game to do.
Hiring more people would really be the only way to get out of this in a significant way, but obviously that will not happen.
I've always liked LFS (proof, I'm still here), and I've always thought that it was a project with immense potential. However, at this point in time, I'm forced to admit that it will remain a project with unfulfilled hopes; whose potential will remain untouched. I'm still fond of this game, but maybe I'm just kidding myself when I come to these forums every day, to see if there's something interesting new going on.
Ultimately, I think that Scawen's idea of the game simply does not fit anybody else but him. This is not how you develop a successful video game.
Yes, developing games is like that, and LFS won't get away with it. Testing unearths bugs, and testing of the fixes for those bugs either lead you to discover more bugs created by the fix, or some that were missed in the first place. Which is exactly why corporations have QA departments
Actually it looks more interesting the other way around -.-
It is. You can try delete c: as much as you want, Windows won't let you delete everything. You'll definitely delete personal stuff, but you won't be able to get Windows to stop working altogether with a del command.
And how exactly would Stefanovic have been supposed to buy Toyota's operation, then? Surely not with only a few euros.
Besides, we know for a fact that there is some kind of check done on teams to make sure that they're really serious (FIA sends inspectors), so even if Stefanovic had somehow tricked Toyota into letting him buy their team with his alleged non-money, the FIA would have probably uncovered the fraud and publicly announced that StefanF1 was not a considered entry as a new team, now or in the future.
Besides, we know for a fact that there is some kind of check done on teams to make sure that they're really serious (FIA sends inspectors), so even if Stefanovic had somehow tricked Toyota into letting him buy their team with his alleged non-money, the FIA would have probably uncovered the fraud and publicly announced that StefanF1 was not a considered entry as a new team, now or in the future.
Well, logically, eyefinity should work with vista/7, considering that it comes with the 5000s cards, which were released about the same time as 7.
Here's what Wikipedia has to say on the matter: "dubbed "ATI Eyefinity Technology", supporting up to 6 simultaneous display being connected to one graphics cards, and supports grouping of multiple monitors into a "single large surface" (SLC), treated by the OS as a single monitor with very high resolutions, as an inexpensive alternative for ultra-high resolution display solution."
As for getting better FPS with any kind of software, you'll get as much FPS that you can get with the resolution you'll ask from your hardware.
Here's what Wikipedia has to say on the matter: "dubbed "ATI Eyefinity Technology", supporting up to 6 simultaneous display being connected to one graphics cards, and supports grouping of multiple monitors into a "single large surface" (SLC), treated by the OS as a single monitor with very high resolutions, as an inexpensive alternative for ultra-high resolution display solution."
As for getting better FPS with any kind of software, you'll get as much FPS that you can get with the resolution you'll ask from your hardware.
It's already hard enough to get American folks interested in an entirely American F1 team, I don't see them retaining much interest in an American-Serbian team. Especially considering the lack of American drivers.
I don't see how USF1 expected in any way to make the first race. I mean, a few months ago what they had allegedly completed on the car was nothing more than the nose, and it looked like something you'd find on a 1995 F1.
I'd rather have less teams that know what they're doing than a grid full of under-financed teams that have no real idea what's going on at this level of racing.
I don't see how USF1 expected in any way to make the first race. I mean, a few months ago what they had allegedly completed on the car was nothing more than the nose, and it looked like something you'd find on a 1995 F1.
I'd rather have less teams that know what they're doing than a grid full of under-financed teams that have no real idea what's going on at this level of racing.
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