Very useful suggestion. I have just one hesitation. As you know, in forthcoming patches brake heating damage would be included. If it will be a bar indicator like as clutch damage, it's OK. On the other hand if every single brake discs will be demonstrated such as tyres and suspensions, too many indicators must be placed in one screen.

I think; tyres, brake discs, and suspensions are coherent compenents, thus all of them should be monitored synchronously; but I don't know how..

Quote from Zipppy :

Just a suggestion to this idea, why not get the crowd stir a little bit if a car spins out or some other event (applauding from recovering from a near crash), or even "cheering on" the car in last position, instead of just approaching the spectators.


I also have a couple of examples I recorded in Montreal last June of this kind of thing. The spin out example was of a Porsche 911 race car. Most of the time the crowd is silent, if not quiet. The only voices heard most of the time are from the commentators talking on loudspeakers.

EDIT: found a link for an external mod that does the same
http://www.lfsforum.net/showthread.php?t=37163

I loved the commentator example. It makes me feel such like "silence before the storm" while waiting for race.

Quote from BigPeBe :

Please no or at least if, then have a one slider in the options to make them silent.

Plus the fact that I'm Finnish. In Finland if you go to a motorsports even't the crowd is quite silent. We don't shout "oooh lalala bononoo" when car goes past by, we like to actually hear the car itself. I always hate it when in a ie. rallying video some twats starts shouting and my ears blow up and I can't hear the car. Of course no hard feelings to you people in other countries, we just have different cultures.

Of course everyone's tastes differ. I quite agree with you that, the engine noise/sound is our privilige. Thus I chose music off while racing (reminds NFS in audio menu). On the other hand an option on/off switch or a sliding volume bar should be solution. Consequently, I assess a race entirely and these sound effects are some parts of the totality.

Sounds really good idea. Could be assessed for both online and AI options as well.

Quote from John5200 :

and semi trucks .

dont flame me, but i´m for it. (and btw since when do the spectators in nfs u2 make horn noise?!) anyways, it always anoyed me in a race, that we have hunreds of spectators but its quiet, that you would hear a fart. and if you know racing or even soccer, you would know that they make noise.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J4cAmv42emc
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jkd1MOx9XsY
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o45zeHLCxhg

mee too. its only a sound like in nfsps that gets played on several places.

Thank you John for nice and enthusiastic vids.

Quote from wouteb :

It's not enough that they have Bo Zollands permission top put that car in the game, it's still a Volvo, so they need permission from Volvo too.

I said this before, but I would really love to see an LMP-style car in the game.

You are absolutely right. Thats why this is a wish. At least I would like to see those rims in LFS GTR cars, if possible..

Quote from zeugnimod :

"Air horns have been installed on large semi-trailer trucks, fire trucks, and some ambulances for many years. It is also used on trains as a warning device, and on ships as a signalling device."

I don't see any large semi-trailer trucks, fire trucks, ambulances, trains and ships in LFS.

And plus in handy sprays.. http://www.grandprixlegends.co ... accessories/Air-Horn.html

Quote from hazaky :

+1 ... Its not neccesary. And we need a proper simulator not somekinda NFSU with riced stuff in it.

Please don't be prejudiced. I didn't suggest neons under cars.

Quote from boosterfire :

I think he means the air horn the spectators use when the cars are passing by. You see them in most sport events.

+1 from me, anyway. Spectators clapping and what not adds to realism.

Yes..

Just a little make-up suggestion. It could be implemented randomly or while car/cars passing opponent(s) and at the race finish. ATM, this would be nice and more realistic.

See

PS: I do know, thus please don't reply such as "There are more important things to do"

VOLVO C30 Racer, designed by VisualTech (Bo Zolland is designer and CEO)

I wish, Bo Zolland's and devs' ways cross someday.

http://www.tarmac-mag.com.au/news_detail.php?newsid=36

http://itwildcats.net/category/volvo/

Quote from Huru-aito :

Because we don't have rally stages to use rallycars on?

Rally != Rallycross

Come on.. Aristotelian logic deserves more than this. According to your assumption rally cars are not drivable on rallycross tracks. On the other hand I suggested a rally car (it's obvious for rallycross circuits), not the rally sprint track.

As a conclusion, the thread's purpose is about the XFR on the dirt roads.

Quote from el pibe :

yeah, just make the front bumper a little bit rounder and it would be perfect for rally. but i think that this car has a diffuser at the back, does it ?

I see what you mean. Subaru 2008 WRC concept could be an answer for rear diffuser in rally cars. Maybe this will start a trend or fashion for next 3 -5 years.

http://img84.imageshack.us/img ... ubaruwrcconceptcarco4.jpg

http://img84.imageshack.us/img ... ubaruwrcconceptcarfr8.jpg

XFR has a great design that looks like such as WRC series car identically. Moreover XFR is FWD car. Why not we don't have a rally option? It's discussible that the front splitter is too prominent for a rally car. Maybe it could be ignored or maybe it could be cutted in rally version as like as LX series cars options such as open roof/ soft top..

Related posts in the forum about XFR rally version and intro screenshot of XFR:

http://www.lfsforum.net/showthread.php?p=1143013#post1143013

http://www.lfsforum.net/showthread.php?p=799963#post799963

http://www.lfsforum.net/showthread.php?p=800027#post800027

Quote from mcintyrej :

See attachment for detailed graph on LFS.

I must confess: Your graph is better than mines, I loved it.

Quote from NightShift :

Nice, thanks for taking the time to do that and sharing your work with us.

My thanks

In the forum, LFS progress is arguing matter and will be for a long time. My starting point is just taking a photo about that and trying to clarify the path ongoing. The aim is not whining, not moaning, not complaining, not Scirocco; although it seems such as the mixture of them. And here is coming the word : “BUT”

But because nobody knows what will be. Maybe the devs have some predictions or projections. We are in the alpha stage now and I’m really wonder how many patches needed for the beta stage and S2 out: 5 or 10 patches? Naturally more patches means more work, more time, and more turmoils in the forum.

So I figured out a some graphs those show the LFS progress stages from the beginning up to now. The method is cutting the timeline into different periods based on prefix and graphically.


PREFIX BASIS (DAYS PASSED AFTER OFFICIAL PATCHES, TODAY: 28.04.2009)

0.1B – 0.1W stage: min: 3 max: 48 avr: 16

0.1B – TODAY stage: min: 3 max: 300 avr: 74

0.2A – 0.2F stage: min: 11 max: 84 avr: 38

S1 – S1H stage: min: 22 max: 220 avr: 79

S2 ALPHA - S2 0.5Z stage: min: 8 max: 237 avr: 114

S2 ALPHA – TODAY stage: min: 8 max: 300 avr: 128


GRAPH BASIS (DAYS PASSED AFTER OFFICIAL PATCHES, TODAY: 28.04.2009)

0.1B – S1F stage: min: 3 max: 84 avr: 29

0.1B – S1H stage: min: 3 max: 220 avr: 38

0.1B - S2 ALPHA stage: min: 3 max: 220 avr: 45

0.1B - S2 0.5Z stage: min: 3 max: 237 avr: 66

0.1B – TODAY stage: min: 3 max: 300 avr: 74

S1H - S2 0.5Z stage: min: 8 max: 237 avr: 122

S1H - TODAY stage: min: 8 max: 300 avr: 135

S2 ALPHA – TODAY stage: min: 8 max: 300 avr: 128


The Prefix table shows the progress history obviously. Thus I will try to interprete the historic progress via fluctuations on the chart.

At the 0.1B - S1F period (see: Chart 1), the development progress based on day basis to the next patch is very stable. But S1H brought on a new era with 220 days record. Although there was a drastic fall to the S2 0.5L, the volatility stil increases in line with the standard deviations and max/min quotients. As of today (28.04.2009) the all time high peak has reached to 300 days. This is absolutely terrifying and seems the new record should be rise for a while.

Consequently LFS progress is getting more and more slower than before. (see: Chart 2 and 3) At this point, I think things must be changed. Otherwise we will see more longer waiting periods. Arguing doesn’t help us and almost all the suggestions have been made. I predict devs realized this. Maybe their priviliges is different from ours, but the common interest should be monitored.

I want to believe that devs could manage this dissatisfaction because, LFS proved that what they could be. Perhaps some little touchings could help us. I know coding is very complicated issue and there is no equation such as 2 + 2 = 4. But there are two main directions related to coding: Coding independent issues comparably simple ones and coding coherent features like a chain.

Imagine just a test consisted of 60 questions and 60 minuted deadline. Some questions make a group every single question is related to others. At the same time some questions are unique and independent from each other. In order to use time effectively, sometimes there is a need passing over from the questions that we couldn’t answer to new ones. If time remained, we can focus on it again. Of course the coding has a complex structure, but this logic could be implemented into the LFS.

Consequently, there are too many things to say, suggest. As mentioned before, most of them stated many times before. So no need to repeat. I just wanted to show the complete picture of LFS progress objectively.

Quote from Bean0 :

Gah, horrid mod for vB.
Adds far too much crap around the posts and ruins readability.

OK, I see now..

Quote from MataGyula :

The "thanks" button was on the forums for a while, but it got abused, thats why it disappeared as quickly as it appeared.

I didn't know, but I can't imagine how it was abused?

Quote from boosterfire :

Doesn't it feel a little bit impersonal? I'd rather receive a true and written thanks than having the forum thank me on the behalf of others.

Definitely you are right. But personally, I should thank almost 3000 times at least.

For myself, I want to thank all the supporters and the people who share their own works such as skin, addons, etc. with us.

Unfortunately there is no chance to thank one by one. i.e after a post including beautiful public skin, I owe myself the skinner for giving thanks. In order to prevent the numerous replies, "Thanks Button" is the solution. It's just simple and efficient.

The link: http://www.medicalgeek.com/for ... wnload-thanks-button.html

Quote from tiagolapa :

So you want the black screen when you crash? So you cant keep driving to pits if car allows to (not completed destroyed) ? What you want? Maybe alarm in lf cars?
This is just a waste of time.
But hey, if bmw comes here saying they put the m3 road version in game only with airbag, so be it.. but i dont think that will happen

We are not here for starting a polemic. It will be or not. But my want especially alarm theory assumption asserted by you is none of your business. Just make your own suggestion, don't speak in the name of others.

And please don't advise me about what I do.

Finally, our debating doesn't change the truth. Just more and more irritating grows up.

Thanks for humour.

1. It's for road cars, not race cars.
2. Not for racing, for marketing issue.
3. Marketing issue = In line with the licensed car manner, brands of the main car manufacturers could be interested in the unique feature that rest of the sims and games don't have it.

I sent a private message to Victor 6 or 7 months ago related to "Airbags in Road Cars". And he was interested in this suggestion very politely. So even the "stupid ideas" could be assessed as a remarkable point.

The starting point was the unique feature regarding marketing issue. Any other sims or arcade games don't have this specific option. That's why I didn't open a thread in public forum, but now there is no need to this.

It's clear airbag doesn't have not primary even nor secondary privileges. And the hesitations about it:

1- An option for on/off
2- An option for reaction settings such like as brake power Nm

These prevent slight touching BAMs.

Finally, everyone including demoers should share their opinions. In second thread of any demoers, this type attitude does not help neither her/his nor LFS. A newbie + second thread + blame + flame + shame = disappointment + obstacle for possible S2 account.

I realized that, a different point of view could help us. Arguing, suggesting, whining, complaining etc, don't change the direction of LFS progress. Instead of these see the Matrix, chapter 21: "There is no spoon"

- Do not try to bend the spoon. That is impossible. Instead, only try to realize the truth.

- What truth?

- There is no spoon.

- Then you will see that it is not the spoon that bends. It is only yourself.

Quote from Woyta :

Have you tried rallycross with FXR? We had modified server and this race was great.
FXR is great rally car.
Even on slicks.

Hi Woyta,

Sorry for very late reply, because of house moving issue.. My principle is no attending servers without a steering wheel. For fun, it's possible in the future..

My regards..

Congrats Scawen. Be happy with your family at new home.

An internet disconnection, house moving issue, and working conditions could be obstacles for LFS progress. Just curiosity.. In order to reduce risk, do you store your back up files in different physical locations? I don't mention hosting or FTP facilities..

Thanks and regards.

it's possible in rFactor..

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MMpR9nTgLBE&NR=1

Quote from BigPeBe :

Yeah no problem. Sorry if I disappointed you.

No disappointment, except for unreleasing more public skins..

Quote from BigPeBe :

Hmmm I'm not actually 100% sure what you meant there but I was saying that I have tested road cars with slicks in LFS. It makes them like completely different cars and they are really enjoyable with them.

My misunderstanding..