Dunno if ive got any reason to complain really, sweden is so good on areas other contry´s fail @.

Insurance is mighty high... if you choose a fast car... a crap car like a opel astra 1.6 cost on me around 800euro... and thats not so bad if you compare to UK, but still to much for a car that costs around 600(if you can find 1 they rust like hell here)

Dont think we have toll roads either, if we have i sure never seen one.

There are a few cameras.. but not like the UK... but then again the UK is a bad comparison cause its a "nazy germany" for motorists.


There are som bad sides though! they are salting the roads during winter! and this salt wich is supposed to "make snow melt fast" is useless and it eats up the cars! As a result there is almost only volvo´s left from the 80´s and early 90´s since they are the only cars constructed for this type of abuse... and even they rust!

The roads really are a joke... bumpy, pot holes, cracks, big "ditches" where the tires have run... this is the standard swedish road, now there are exeptions ofcourse but the local highway are so badly maintained that the "tracks/ditches" created over time due to heavy traffick are really deep... and during rain you have get "waterskid" if you drive in them...

Also gas price is high... 12-13euro for 1 litre. And for diesel its almost the same, with insane taxes on dieselcars aswell...

We also have MOT once a year... wich is a bummer altough an accepted one since its safety related...

Bad thing is you have lots of trouble if you want to tune your car, or modify it. There are strict regulations for this... wich results in 99% of the tuned/custom cars to be illegal.

Also we get boring european and swedish cars...

It was back in 2005-2006 when used to play demo.

I have to say it was a really bad move from the devs to remove the s1/s2/demo filter... it completely killed off the demo combo´s for me and alot of my friends.

BL GP and BL rallycross and GTi class was really good and fun racing untill they merged it together... now its just a real crashfest and there is no way to ban players since they are on demo, and can create a new account if they want to since its free...

Quote from Kalev EST :

Uhm... I didn't take anything personally. If I take things personally, I write a long long text about how the person is wrong and usually throw in a few comparisons with the Soviet Union or communists.

I replied to your post because I found it ironic that you said there's no moral highground and then proceeded to call people whiny and retarded in the next sentence. And the other post was because I replied to your reply.

Honestly, apart from a few morons, most posts that critizise LFS have been made by people who express their dissapointment or vent a little bit of frustration, where as posts defending LFS have been downright hostile and insulting. Why can't you just say "I disagree, I think things are fine, etc, etc...". Why do the posts need to include "go away", "you obviously have no life", "crybaby", "stop spamming" and my personal favourites "whiners" and "moaners". Those two get thrown around so much that I'm starting to think anyone that uses them is a moron. (Even Ziggy uses them and he's usually so nice that it produces a puke reflex on me...) Also using them is ironic as I shortly mentioned in my last post.

Although this text is a bit longer, I still didn't take anything personally (no reference to you as a KGB agent).

Aah then its all fine! will be happy diskussing with you more.

Now to the disussion, i agree its been overdue with an update. But its not as we really can expect updates either, scvier can might aswell make us pay money for more content as of now if they want to. It also says something like that when you buy the game and read the licence agreement.

I just wonder what people are hoping to acomplish with making complaints about it... and also spamming threads all over the forum. I realise its not 1 person meaking all the threads but there sure is enough of them

Quote from brt900 :

i always get people saying oh you mean need for speed you noob and then i just respond to no your the noob you play nfs i play a good game not as funny when typed

Im totally with you on that one!

Its so funny when you PWN people by throwning it back at them, the usual dialouge looks like this.


Person- What games do you play.

me- [insert game here] and [insert game here] and Live For Speed(LFS)

Person- you mean Need For Speed (and looks at me like im a total n00b)

me- no this is a different game, its much better...

Person- Sounds like a cheap copy, cant be better than NFS!

me- its doesnt have anything to do with NFS other than the simular names.

Then i explain all about LFS. And occasionally someone takes interest in the game and some people just says "ok sounds like crap, ill go play NFS most wanted".

Quote from STF :

Frames per second.

seriously?

Quote from Kalev EST :

If you complain about people complaining then by your logic, you're whiny too? And I have never thought or said the devs aren't working on anything but when there's nothing to show for that work...

Im just saying you focus to much on out the negative name calling wich isnt what my post was all about.

You seem to have understood what i was pointing out... but almost everyone complaining hasnt ... i realised this when i spoke with my teammates about it on ventrilo a while ago.

People just assume too much thats the problem... and then jump to conclusions and just have to spam the forums about it aswell.

I would just like anyone else have a complete patch once a month with atleast 1 new car, physX upgrades, bug fixes, and a new track. But it just aint gonna happen, i dont dissagree that its been a long overdue with the VWS... but i do dissagree with people spamming the forums with bad attitude towards it... especially when they did appologise and also have been posting about why its taking long and what they are working on.

whats the problem is my question...

EDIT: You seem to take the things i say personal, wich you should not do... it is more as to make people complaining to just stop, take breath and think about what they are whining about in the first place, and if it really is justified to spam the forums where there already is numerous threads about the same topic if you just look beyond the top 4 topics on the 1st page...

Last edited by AcesHigh, Sun 10 Jan 2010, 00:57.

Quote from Kalev EST :

Nice. Calling people who don't share your view whiny and mentally retarded. Always makes you look like a tough guy and wins any Internet dispute immediately.

Aaah but you seem to forget 1 important thing about the internet.

"arguing in the internet is like winning special olympics, even if you win your still retarded" doenst make me better really


If you constantly complain, that makes you what? calm? quiet? no it makes you whiny! or in other words a crybaby that doesnt get what he wants when he wants it.

And yes you probably are retarded if you think that what you get in term of patches is the only thing being worked on. And if there is no patch its no development?

seems like you are taking this personally for some reason

Quote from Dac :

For all the "true" fans who are trying to take the moral high-ground in this, how long exactly would you be willing to wait for a significant update, 3 more months? a year? 5 years? I seriously doubt you would be willing to wait 10 years.

There is no "moral high-ground" to try to take really... Its more like pointing out things that are so obvious that they probably slipped past the whiners and their limited capabilities to see the big picture...

Like i posted before... For all we know there is 6 major things going on that are announced at this moment, and that is without counting for bug fixes, language support and minor stuff like that.

S3 is being developed as we speak and probably have been for some time since scawen actually used the word s3 in a post.

Your right about 1 thing, i wouldnt be waiting for 10 years. But then again i wouldnt need to either... updates are coming this year and i estimate s3 within the next 2 years...

Why am i so certain we will not be abandoned? because its too much money invested and earned through LFS, and besides that its their baby project... i doubt they will just pull the plug and call it a day.

Oh noes!

@JaReed

Good for you! just go to iRacing it will help the LFS community alot if all the whiners leave the game and teh forum to those interested in the game... wich also raises the question, why are still posting here if iRacing are so good and this is a n00b game? if it was me IMO id just leave and be done with it.


@boothy

Your spot on i believe! seeing posts like yours really makes me believe there still is normal people hanging around this forums. It doesnt take a "rocket scientist" to figure it out, still it seems hard for these 12 year old whiners to understand.

They are working on s3 alread and probably have been ever since development speed(if you count that as the rate the are patches beeing released) started to slow down. You dont whip up a new instance of a game "just like that" in a couple of months.

The reason its going slower ATM is that there is alot going on, what do we know?

1: There is a car essentially ready(VWS) since 2008(however it will probably need tweaking due to new physix)

2: A entire new physics for the tires

3: A new track in the making(otherwise it wouldnt be announced)

4: And yet another car announced(wich also is in the making if its been announced)

5: New "limited setup" system beeing implemented

6: And s3 being announced aswell(that means its being worked on).


This is 6 major things being worked on as we speak, i dont know that you guys think but it looks like LFS will undergo big changes, half of these things are supposed to go into s2, and the rest is s3 already on its way and like i stated so many times now... if they even make a "peep" about it its already being worked on, how much do you ask for a 3 man team?

EDIT: And these are the things we know about! you can bet your pants that they are working and testing stuff we dont have a clue about and that sometimes never will be released.

EDIT2: Then there is all the bugs and minor things constantly being fixed aswell.. these are not accounted for here and if you put all this together you see that there is quite alot going on.

Last edited by AcesHigh, Fri 8 Jan 2010, 10:15.

Actually Need For Speed is a great name IMO, but i dont say that loud!

Ivé had thoughts about the name aswell... why choose a name so closely confused with NFS?

The word "LIVE" can also be used to describe online gaming. Indicating that the games focus mainly on online playing.

Or just "Live for" as in dedicated to.

Or maybe both at the same time!

so maybe "Online for speed" or just "live for speed"


Hmm now i just realise how f*cked up this post is wonder what that "shroom" i ate came from...

How can there be so much negativity? have the entire LFS communty decided to go EMO and cut they selves or what?

On one side there is demo users and newcomer(less then a year) that are already fed up with the game, if you cant enjoy LFS now you probably wont after 1 month with a new patch either.

On another side there is the old school guys that are fed up with the game, but has too much spare time on their hands so they linger on the forums telling everybody "how great LFS was in teh good old days" and how it "sucks" now.

On yet another side there is the 12 year old´s coming into the game freshly from playing NFS series and these are expecting not only updates... but an entire new game every 6 months.



Just move on to another game and be miserable there, and let those who like LFS stay here and enjoy our selves.

Quote from Framaris :

hahaha that's an idea , though I would not give up on my hobby for a couples of ungrateful guys!

But we could make them all private!

Thats true, but it would be very entertaining to follow the escalading chaos on the forums and see what people have to say because of it.

Quote from Framaris :

What amazes me is the amount of public servers still running today, when you see the amount of complains in this forum (mostly unfounded) and the amount of work needed to run those servers, I am really surprised there are still guys around willing to organize things…

LFS is the most ungrateful community I ever saw and I am a hard core gamers for almost 20 years, so go on like this and the next thing you will complain about will be ‘’why is there almost no servers left in LFS?’’

Feedback is always the problem, ppls seems to think that they should report only the bad things and I know negative feedback is necessary to improve things (when constructive), but constructive positive feedback is also greatly appreciated and will also allow us to improve/maintain things. Think about those guys who can’t race because they have to admin the careless drivers all the times, their only reward is to see happy racers!

Too many ppls spend more time complaining than racing and when you see them driving you ask yourself ‘’WTH was that about on the forum???’’

I always wonder what ppls think when they discover the great sim lfs is and then read this forum??

My advice to admins is don’t do only what worked in the past or what works on other servers, be creative and bold enough to try new things... The ambiance on the server is the key to its success...

The trackers we use (Airio or Lapper) are great tools build to fit a need requested by server admins, in no way they are the culprit here!

Personally I am still here because I love racing, LFS still has one of the best online experience and it feels like a big family, and luckily there are still some ppls like me around…
Are you one of us?

And one important thing to close this, don’t go to servers you don’t like, every popular server starts with one racer liking it, don’t spend time trying to change popular servers to your liking, we are all different and we all like different type of racing…if you don’t like LFS plz just leave and let us have fun with our favorite sim….if you stay, spend your energy in a positive and constructive way!

Actually this should be an experiment we should try. Round up all the server owners of the popular public servers... and all the magagement for most active and popular racing leagues, and just make a deal that we do not do ANYTHING for 6 months and see what happens to the LFS community. Then when all things opens up again the ungrateful should have different opinions.

Last edited by AcesHigh, Tue 5 Jan 2010, 11:16.

Quote from Zay :

Lol dude.
You can't blow up an engine in LFS and what happenned there was you ran out of fuel.
If you were running normally and then suddenly the engine cutrs off then you ran ouyt of fuel. Besides, if the engine blew up you would know it, because the engine would make a 'pop' noise and there (very likely)will be black smoke. If I were you I would go crawl up in a whole and hide from the hummiliation of of not figuring out something so obviously obvious, and plus, you could have just pressed F12 and it would say: Fuel:0.00%.

AHAHAHAHAHAH!!!!!!!

Epic fail! dont try to act smart of you aren´t... it will only make you look even more stupid...

I just think its kind of bullshit, with so many servers online there is bound to be a server with the right combo´s and no system... after all its not hard to setup...

I never really understood this "there is no good servers/combos anymore" or "i remember the good old times with less crashers" and so on... there is NOTHING stopping you from just opening up the ports on your router and hosting a server that you like for you and your friends... or why not public?

It makes no sense what so ever to cry about the servers offered when it clearly isnt so bad that it havent made you bother with starting you own server...

Probably dead t´but could might aswell be alive and well... so will "counterstrike 1.6" that game was outdated by 2003-2004 and is still having alot of players, same with LFS...

The reason why the patch is delaying may be that they are simply working on more content than we know of... they already said that rockingham and "another" car(not the scirocco) will be s3 content. That probably means they are working on s3 at the moment. We know very little about s3 maybe a massive GFX update like s1-s2, and more features we know nothing about.

Just stop being so damn negative and think the devs have forgotten LFS, they still make to much money on LFS to just leave it be. Like said working on s2 content along side s3 content is probably what tehy are doing, and i really think thats the case since it takes so long to develop a game and they are only 3 doing it... they probably been working on s3 for a good while if they have released some "faqs" about it.

Quote from Danny LFS :

Welcome to the LFS Forums, where you see S2 licensed racers bashing demo racers all the time.

Demo racers get bashed on for a reason, its not like it just happend because someone got s2.

It is things like, demo players asking paying players to upload their skins to LFS world(something demo cant do) and then get angry when you tell them to buy the game instead,

It also happens that they come and complain about the game content when they have not even bought the game and unlocked it.

They say they want even more things available for the demo, tell me 1 more game where you have 3 cars 3 tracks and unlimited online access.

And sometimes they openely admit they run cracked game on the official forums and then wonder whats wrong with that...

Demo servers are unplayable because of crashers.



There are good demoplayers aswell but if you see the whole picture its quite understandable that demoplayers arent taken very seriously.

Quote from P5YcHoM4N :

It isn't really all that obvious to be fair.

Actually it is... since i figured it out right away!!! just ask any of my friends... i do have a tendency to miss the most obvious things... like in any FPS shooting game i can miss a person standing in front of me... and when looking for something i can go on for hours just to find out it was right before my eyes on the most obvios place...

Quote from EliteAti :

Read and think before posting. It'd be better without flaming here.

So there is a 1 year old post saying the EXACT same thing just being c&p... its "epic fail" IMO especially when people havent been able to trace further back then a couple of years... and actually not giving more story that just saying 7 years 2 years in a row

Never the less if you have been around for 7 years i take my hat off for you.

Quote from RMachucaA :

more and more kids started playing, which leads to more wreckers (insert drifters here too) and the whole core of what made the LFS community fun started diluting with the raw sewage that is the common folk which is driven by the main stream mindless media\fads.


Anyways, its not all his wrong doing... LFS just ended up attracting a different crowd then what us the original core community where. So some of us migrated, moved on, left LFS to those who dont know where its come from and all its accomplished.

Fail to see your point really... personally i like LFS for what it came from, and downloading the old versions like demo and s1 should be mandatory before you bash to much on the delevopers(this counts for those new users who crys about it).

So what if they had a peak around 06-07??? i noticed it aswell since i remember upgrading all the time at that point. But i dont really recall there being any changes as significant as now... sure the grip level was changed around that time but i still believe its undergoing more changes now that at that point...

They are also working on s3 contetn aswell at the moment, so i doubt they are slacking.

You also mention that more people has led to LFS sucking... its a lame excuse IMO, LFS only becomes as good as you make it and if you decide that it sucks because of drifters and more players then its your fault and not the devs.

Like said just get together and host a server or something?? and dont give me the broadband excuse cause its lame... ive played on severs my teammates hosted with 2-8mbit and we could be quite alot of people before it started to affect the gameplay.

Epic fail!

Actually we have been around for a good while, since september -08 if i recall. Havent really thought about posting here but it seems like a good time to get "the name" out..

What do we do?
We have mainly been focusing on the swedish racing series called "torsdagsrace" and have pretty much been doing that once a week since a year back.

Sometimes we take part in occational events, and are at the moment looking at starting a series of our own.

Who are we?
A group of guys from sweden who actually are friends IRL aswell. Or atleast we have become since being the team.., we have had IRL team meetings aswell!

AcesHigh(me)
Yoshiwara
Fredde
Arnie
Spirre
Hjorten

Story
started -08 like one of those teams who just come one week and are gone the next, and after the person i started the team left and i was forced to take matters in my own hand. With an iron fist i kicked all bad drivers and turned the team from n00b with quantity and no quality to a small team with 6 drivers and alot of quality.

Some drivers have come and gone over this year but still that very tight group of 6 people are still here strong as ever.


We arent taking any more people at the moment...

Last edited by AcesHigh, Mon 21 Dec 2009, 21:13.

got a job
sweden rock festival
gatebil sweden(car festival sort of)
local streetraces and meets.
got a new car(or other car atleast)

Quote from Kalev EST :

So does Vauxhall make any of their own cars or do they just rebrand Opels and Holdens?

They are rebadged "afaik"