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5haz
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Quote from Chrisuu01 :he will never admit audi is bad in any way.

Because they aren't.

IM NOT BEING SERIOUS DON'T CRY
5haz
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Quote from NotAnIllusion :Massa didn't need to predict exactly when Schumacher was going to brake, all he had to do was let off a little bit to make sure he didn't get stuck being so wide into the corner. I've already agreed that Schumacher wasn't (completely) innocent, why are you so adamant that there's nothing Massa could ahve done better

When Massa was preparing to brake Schumacher was on the right side of the track and there was room to his left, that situation changed very quickly when Schumacher moved left. In a way its similar to Anthony Davidson's Corvette incident at Le Mans, the driver had no time to react to the changing sitatuion caused by a driver acting unpredictably and agressively ahead.
5haz
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Quote from NotAnIllusion :He could brake at the same rate as Schumacher, or even a bit more, staying completely behind with no overlap. He would then have more space for the turn-in than Schumacher, and a better exit line with more speed.

Massa can't predict exactly when Schumacher is going to brake, especially when Schumacher was struggling with handling and so probrably had to brake quite a bit earlier than most other drivers.
5haz
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Quote from NotAnIllusion :It was a little bit Schumacher's fault, but the vast majority of the incident was Massa putting himself into a position he didn't need to be in.

Ok, you tell me, where else could he go?
5haz
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Quote from tristancliffe :The driver is then entitled to move back to his racing line for braking.

Perhaps not when the driver has a quicker car following so closely.
5haz
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Its generally considered bad to move about in braking zones when you have a following car, and incidents such as this one are good examples why. Massa may not have had any overlap but Schumacher left him with nowhere to go. Massa wasn't trying to put a passing move on Schumacher, Schumi braked earlier, probrably because he was struggling with the cars handling yet again.

Of course because Schumacher is the driver in question it can't possibly be his fault. People have such warped ideas of what and what isn't acceptable in racing.
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5haz
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Quote from NotAnIllusion :and driving into Schumacher was completely avoidable.

Well there wasn't much he could do seeing as Schumacher tried to push him off the track.

Schumacher's frustration obviously getting to him, excessively aggressive.
5haz
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Lets not forget Matra :lovies3d:
5haz
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Quote from Shotglass :ah yes a very lucky 2 goals and another extremely lucky 4 or 5 (lost count) prime goal opportunities

I did mean as in total German domination, lets face it Australia's defeat was always pretty inevitable...

...But in F1.

Ok, Mercedes powered, but Ron's getting 'round to fixing that soon!
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5haz
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Quote from JCTK :no one would say FIA have ever been consistant.

And obviously to their eyes it is acceptable. Who are we normal viewers to judge that it is unacceptable?

We unlike the FIA, have common sense. (Well, not everbody)

Quote from DieKolkrabe :Fixed for you.

5haz
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Quote from JCTK :unfortunately he wasn't the only one that do it. The FIA have been quite lenient on these kind of things so far this year.

eg. Kubica shoved Massa onto the grass at Turkey on the opening lap (and they did made wheel to wheel contacts).

So that makes it acceptable? All that proves is how inconsistant the FIA still are.
5haz
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Quote from RiseAgainstMe! :It wasn't about that result at all.... There are a lot of other nations that seem to be bitter that a country that doesn't even care is getting to be downright competent. And they like to take it out on us by berating us for what we call the game.

It has not a lot to do with bitterness or jealousy, but a lot to do with you calling football a silly name.
5haz
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Quote from JCTK :a fight for position is a fight for position no matter if it is for a win or a 20th place.

Schumi was weaving and trying to force cars off track.
5haz
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No doubt Hamilton will beg the team to tell Button to not race him.

I see Schumacher's struggling has made him more of a bastard.
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5haz
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Quote from Shotglass :he brought up turkey i was merely talking about the opportunity of complete german sports domination (most of it against australians) with the audi 1-2-3 vettel possibly winning f1 and the german team showing australia how to play football

You'll be lucky.
5haz
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F1 drivers asking their team how to go about driving?

Great race.
5haz
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Quote from aoun :You can see into the future.

In the words of Trent Reznor "I believe I can see the future, 'cos I repeat the same routine".

Looks like this may have worked for Mclaren for now.

The officials will wait for to see if Hamilton wins the race before they slap him with a penalty.
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5haz
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Quote from JCTK :no he most probably won't be penalised.

When Lewis' lollipop was lifted, Alonso was still in his pit box just starting to accelerate away.

Oh he will, simply because he is Lewis Hamilton the trouble magnet. Then there will be a three week repeating argument about it afterwards.

Schumacher's taking his frustration out on others, not for the first time.
5haz
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That'll be another penalty for Lewis due to excessive safety regulations.
5haz
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Quote from Shotglass :whos still talking about 2 weeks ago?

You are.
5haz
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Quote from AstroBoy :OH wow bringing Vettle into this. No matter how you look at it, Vettle turned into Webber. Any picture collage of the incident will tell you that. Also sure Webber is on top of the drivers championship as well as has more race wins.

Thats not following the popular script, in which Webber is the bad guy and Vettel is the untouchable wonderboy. :rolleyes:

Facts don't matter any more.
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5haz
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Quote from amp88 :I've bolded the relevant section of the quote because that's why I said it was cheating. What's stopping the team's all doing this? The rule that Hamilton fell foul of and got fined for. So, he broke a rule because the penalty wasn't harsh enough (offer any team in the pitlane pole for a 10k fine and they'll jump at it).

The penalty was for being late, it could be quite easy for a driver to run out of fuel and still not be late, and it could be just as easy for a driver to be late having not run out of fuel.
5haz
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Quote from RiseAgainstMe! :bitter against the Americans much?

I doubt Scotland would be bitter over England's poor result, shows how much you know.
5haz
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Quote from amp88 :He had to do the second lap to get pole or he would have been 4th. They knew he didn't have the fuel for a second lap but he did it anyway. That's cheating as far as I'm concerned.

What? He had enough fuel to take the flag under his own power, what happens afterwards is generally considered unimportant, unless of course you happen to be desperate to discredit the driver in question. If this had happened to say, a Lotus or even a Ferarri or Renault, nobody would bat an eybrow, different for Mclaren though.

Quote from amp88 :Also, we've seen very close qualifying at the top a few times this year and carrying an extra 1-2kg might have changed those qualifying results.

Theres nothing stopping other teams doing the same when they find themselves in the same situation.

I don't understand this attitude in modern F1 where doing anything to claim the 'unfair advantage' is considered illegal, even when within the rules. The teams and drivers want success handed to them on a plate, and there is uproar whenever anbody tries to better themselves through clever exploitation. F1 isn't fair, everyones favourite driver or team dosen't always get to win and people need to cut down on the crying and whinging when they've been beaten.
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5haz
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Quote from amp88 :Heh, so it's OK for teams to run out of fuel on the inlap as long as it doesn't disadvantage anyone else? That seems unfair to those who choose not to run out of fuel. Hamilton needed 2 flying laps to get pole yesterday. If he'd only done one flying lap then pitted (which was McLaren's intention since that was what he was given fuel to do) he would have been 4th on the grid. The team knew (and Hamilton either would or should have known) that they didn't have enough fuel for a second flying lap. Hamilton did the second flying lap, got the pole position and ran out of fuel. There's no doubt in my mind (and I don't see how there could be in anyone else's...) that McLaren and Hamilton deliberately ran out of fuel to get pole position. It's this that I'm annoyed about.

Yes because I'm sure fuel levels are the main deciding factor of the qualifying results. :rolleyes:

They took a risk and gained from it as a result, then again taking risks and being bold gets you called a 'wanker' in modern F1.
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