What the forum really needs is less idiots.
See the trouble is certain politicians and scientists are quite alike in that they don't want the people to understand lest they start getting their own ideas, they appear to have no interest in whatever the actual truth is.
'Global warming' has essentially just become another political weapon to gain support and profit and silence dissidents, before it used to be the threat of communism and before that witches or Catholics, and of course terrorism.
'Global warming' has essentially just become another political weapon to gain support and profit and silence dissidents, before it used to be the threat of communism and before that witches or Catholics, and of course terrorism.
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Sometimes its best to just let a conversation run its course, what else is there to discuss about the Hungarian GP anyway? What harm does it do? 
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Lauda and the old guard at Ferrari have had beef for years, ever since the poor bloke decided to save himself by not racing in the rain at Fuji and lost the championship.
Ever since Brawn, Todt and Scumacher left Ferrari, the team has gone from being the effcient winners back to how it was in the bad old days, with plenty of arm waving and politics.
Ever since Brawn, Todt and Scumacher left Ferrari, the team has gone from being the effcient winners back to how it was in the bad old days, with plenty of arm waving and politics.
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Excuse my internet slang... lolwut? :mischievo
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Sorry, I live in a state where recently outgoing government ministers pretty much admitted they they'd already decided on a war well before they went about lying the rest of the country into it. I can't go on deluding myself that the powers that be are saints when they're just fallable cheating, dishonest and corrupt human beings like the rest of us.
So I'm supposed to blindly place my complete faith and trust in the findings of Scientists who have used disputed data and questionable methods of research, despite evidence to suggest hidden agendas and doctoring as well as evidence which disproves their claim.
...Oh too late, looks like my government has already, at least thery're always a trustworthy bunch. :rolleyes:
I'd love to believe that the climatologists and governments with the influence are shinning beacons of integrity and truth as much as you do, but there is too much evidence that they really aren't and I can't do what many seem to do and stick my head in the sand when its presented.
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Education is not useless or indoctrination, the problem is that there are those who are using their formal education and qualifications as a barrier to stop those who do not agree with their dubious views from opposing them, a formal education is not the only way to achieve increased understanding of a subject and it is not acceptable to think that having a degree or equivalent should make you completely immune from opposition of any kind, even if those who oppose you have sufficient evidence and understanding.
There seems to be an attitude within some groups of pro AGW scientists that their views are gospel simply becuase they are scientists, regardless of the real evidence (which for some reason they seem to want to hide, and what does emerge seems to be somewhat disputed). essentially they may be abusing their position to further their own personal beliefs and agendas (or worse the beliefs and agendas of the government that happens to fund them).
There seems to be an attitude within some groups of pro AGW scientists that their views are gospel simply becuase they are scientists, regardless of the real evidence (which for some reason they seem to want to hide, and what does emerge seems to be somewhat disputed). essentially they may be abusing their position to further their own personal beliefs and agendas (or worse the beliefs and agendas of the government that happens to fund them).
Requests for evidence by those outside the compliant scientific community have been denied, and the way in which you and Shotglass seem hellbent on passing anyone who doesn't agree off as idiots without presenting evidence of your own and engaging in open debate is evidence of the cult like views that many of those who are pro AGW follow.
That cannot be used to write off the entire skeptics argument, the truth will still be the same whether I have an extensive understanding of climatology or not , and the attitudes and secretive nature of the work behind the pro AGW argument makes me feel suspicious of it.
Schooling isn't useless, just things become suspicious when scientists start acting as if they have the right to use their qualifications to keep the truth from the public.
Still more evidence that I've seen any of the pro AGW brigade, and of course there isn't any evidence of your 'well trained climatologists' fiddling with data or collecting inadequate data to suit their own ends after all? :rolleyes:
The whole 'you'll never understand' attitude makes it seem like certain AGW believers are hiding something, if their data is so true and correct then why can't they be more open? Simply feeding the media/governments news that the world is going to warm by x amount of degrees due to human influence is not enough, there needs to be proper evidence that 100% hasn't been tampered with.
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What I find unacceptable is that members who are skeptical of global warming have presented at least some evidence to explain their view, and have at least tried to engage in civil discussion, whereas I'm not seeing any evidence from those who believe, and plenty of discussion of the poster and not the post. Quite right sometimes it really does feel like many of those in favour of AGW are blindly following an idea based on dubious results with absolute faith and trust regardless of whatever evidence there is to the contrary.
The pro AGW argument can't be taken seriously until those in favour of it stop refusing to take on the opposition in fair debates, it all makes me wonder what those 'in the know' are really hiding.
The pro AGW argument can't be taken seriously until those in favour of it stop refusing to take on the opposition in fair debates, it all makes me wonder what those 'in the know' are really hiding.
You'll never understand Science/Scientology until you go through expensive enlightenment/degree courses! [delete where apropriate] :rolleyes:
Some things are so blatant they can be spotted by even the most average layman, some people need to stop trying to make the Scientific sphere out as some exclusive club/cult only a certain few should be allowed to discuss. (Read: only those who tow the 'official' line)
What I wonder is why certain members are refusing to discuss the issue in this thread, if you're so well armed with scientific explanations and qualifications, then why do you feel the need to try and shout down and question the intelligence of those who oppose you. Surely you'd be able to prove them wrong with your superior knowledge which no pleb can ever comprehend? :rolleyes:
Some things are so blatant they can be spotted by even the most average layman, some people need to stop trying to make the Scientific sphere out as some exclusive club/cult only a certain few should be allowed to discuss. (Read: only those who tow the 'official' line)
What I wonder is why certain members are refusing to discuss the issue in this thread, if you're so well armed with scientific explanations and qualifications, then why do you feel the need to try and shout down and question the intelligence of those who oppose you. Surely you'd be able to prove them wrong with your superior knowledge which no pleb can ever comprehend? :rolleyes:
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Who has scientific qualifications and who dosen't does not make any difference to the truth. Just because a person is unqualified does not necessarily mean they are unable to see through lies. At the same time just because another person may have an impressive list of qualifications it dosen't mean they are only capable of telling nothing but the truth and are certain to never be corrupted by the corporate or political interests of others.
Many of those who are skeptical may not have sufficient credentials to be taken seriously by those in their almighty scientific ivory tower, but the fact that there is skepticism increasing within the professional and academic areas of science itself and not just amongst so called 'citizen scientists' must be worrying for the pro AGW brigade.
Perhaps it would be better to try and discredit the argument itself rather than the people who support it. Resorting to making personal comments is a very weak defence.
Many of those who are skeptical may not have sufficient credentials to be taken seriously by those in their almighty scientific ivory tower, but the fact that there is skepticism increasing within the professional and academic areas of science itself and not just amongst so called 'citizen scientists' must be worrying for the pro AGW brigade.
Perhaps it would be better to try and discredit the argument itself rather than the people who support it. Resorting to making personal comments is a very weak defence.
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I always think its better to save up and spend more, I'm currently struggling with my shit Les Paul replica, the tone isn't awful but the build quality is the it'll never hold in tune for long but then it was only £90. Just never always go for the cheapest deal available unless you really have to.
Speedway can be exciting but well, you have to be there, those cars do have some power.
The competition is like war in that it brings out the best and worst in people, hence why there are so many cocks in racing and just a few legends.
The competition is like war in that it brings out the best and worst in people, hence why there are so many cocks in racing and just a few legends.
Instead of a virtual simulation of real life, a real simulation of virtual life?
In the days before fast computers didn't they have military flying simulators that had a cockpit attached to a camera that 'flew' over a model landscape and moved along with the cockpit controls? I remember seeing a smiliar thing for training tank crews also.
In the days before fast computers didn't they have military flying simulators that had a cockpit attached to a camera that 'flew' over a model landscape and moved along with the cockpit controls? I remember seeing a smiliar thing for training tank crews also.
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F1 stock cars do look like a laugh, they should come down to Arena Essex. The people are hilarious though, like the kind that have gained loads of wealth but no class, like builders for example, they'd fit in well at Lakeside. 
Actually to be honest you'll find them in all motorsports.
Its more of a doccumentary than a reality TV show I think. Basically two families with some long running feud, cue loads of man bitching and crashes while the wives pretend to be interested, and some angry kid who keeps getting done for revenge wrecking everyone.
Its amazing how easily they let new people loose with 700 odd hp cars though.
Actually to be honest you'll find them in all motorsports.
Its more of a doccumentary than a reality TV show I think. Basically two families with some long running feud, cue loads of man bitching and crashes while the wives pretend to be interested, and some angry kid who keeps getting done for revenge wrecking everyone.
Its amazing how easily they let new people loose with 700 odd hp cars though.
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This thread is relatively quiet because there isn't much else to say, the powers that be have decided that global warming is fact and even in our supposedly free modern democracy the average man on the street still has no power over how his country is run, even if those in power are so clearly wrong. That is if the average man in the street even cared, until climate legislation really starts to properly hurt the people will continue to believe what the man tells them, when even harder hitting legislation is passed skepticism may grow amongst the public. As Electrik says above people aren't really interested at the moment.
The problem with conspiracy theories and whistleblowing etc is that to a lot of people it just presents a new and edgy market to make money out of through books or articles and public appearances, this means that along with the conspiracy theories that actually turn out to be true there really is a lot of looney rubbish and hypocrites simply along to make money, for example there are theories such as this which have growing scientific evidence and professional support behind them and then there are people such as David Icke claiming our overlords are Lizards in disguise with the sketchiest of evidence and coincidences. You may think sometimes that you're on to a real smoking gun when its just another corporate hack selling you an alternative spin on things. This dosen't apply to every case, but then of course as with everything conspiracy theorists get tarred with the same brush. With so many ways to spread information and make money now its never been harder to chose who to trust. Although going by recent performance the state is probrably not a good place to start.
The problem with conspiracy theories and whistleblowing etc is that to a lot of people it just presents a new and edgy market to make money out of through books or articles and public appearances, this means that along with the conspiracy theories that actually turn out to be true there really is a lot of looney rubbish and hypocrites simply along to make money, for example there are theories such as this which have growing scientific evidence and professional support behind them and then there are people such as David Icke claiming our overlords are Lizards in disguise with the sketchiest of evidence and coincidences. You may think sometimes that you're on to a real smoking gun when its just another corporate hack selling you an alternative spin on things. This dosen't apply to every case, but then of course as with everything conspiracy theorists get tarred with the same brush. With so many ways to spread information and make money now its never been harder to chose who to trust. Although going by recent performance the state is probrably not a good place to start.
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Flaming people is fine so long as the majority of people feel they deserve it.
Ah the reminds me of Scrapheap challenge, time to go through all the old series again I think.
As for the fighting, well it was about time certain forum members got a good talking to, and doing it by PM is just inconveniant which is why nobody ever does.
Meh London's wonderful orange glow putting a dampener on proceedings here.
You can listen to the radar signatures of meteorites on this site, they make quite eerie noises.
http://topaz.streamguys.tv/~spaceweather/index.html
You can listen to the radar signatures of meteorites on this site, they make quite eerie noises.
http://topaz.streamguys.tv/~spaceweather/index.html
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Klutch is such a poor troll. As for the Irish, I think the Irish are funny I don't hate them.
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