Quote from CSF :

Trust me I don't mind if England win, but the media are what drives non English people up the wall. Today I can see several horrendous headlines filling people up with hope that that team does not deserve.

Well you can always do what the rest of us do and ignore it. Hope is the greatest of treasures even if it is unfounded, which is a shame because the Scots can't even hope for their team.

Quote from Mustafur :

Penalties are always a 50/50 situation

Not when England is involved.

Quote from gtpsharky :

Fixed it for you

Quite right, ipod touch does its job very well, and then some, and so does my ancient mobile phone, the iphone is a combination of the two that isn't quite as good as either.

I hope England win this match, not because I want to see England win, but I want it to really upset the Scots.

You better hope England don't win, because were really going to rub your faces in it if they do.

iPod touch > iPhone

Was it?

Well it was in the contract, before anyone bitches.

Quote from zeugnimod :

England will lose after penalties.

Ughh don't, I'd rather England lost through goals.

Dire Straits - Money for Nothing

Elvis Costello and the Attractions - Love for Tender

Dexys Midnight Runners - Come on Eileen

Housemartins - Happy Hour

The Jam - Start!

Deacon Blue - Real Gone Kid

The Proclaimers - I'm on my way

R.E.M. - Radio Free Europe

Pixies - Wave of Mutilation

Fishbone - Pouring Rain

The Police - Message in a Bottle

ZZ top - Velcro Fly

The Vapours - Turning Japanese

Amongst others...

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Interesting, rather like this I suppose.

Quote from tinvek :

according to BBC mclaren are worried about ferrari's latest update

Based on something Pat Fry told them about?

Probrably going to be lots of frustration as the top bunch get stuck behind slower drivers (such as Michael Schumacher), at least one driver will collide with a backmarker (probrably Michael Schumacher).

Quote from Timo1992 :

vuvzelas suck

They blow

Just when you thought F1 couldn't get more contrived. :rolleyes:

Sour grapes!

England should play in all red kit from now on.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v ... p;feature=player_embedded

Caesars Palace

Quote from oscarhardwick :

Brands Hatch

Quote from GreyBull [CHA] :

Dijon-Prenois.

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Quote from Becky Rose :

There's been some suggestion in this thread that alchohol is really bad and should be made illegal. There isn't really a sound medical argument against that - but there is a social one.

Doesn't anyone remember prohibition in America? In the end the American government gave up and legalised alchohol because that was the lesser of the two evils.

Read for christs sake, I never said it should be made illegal.

Quote from amp88 :

I didn't say you did. I said it was hypocritical of you to call people who smoke marijuana "irresponsible idiots" got smoking marijuana which, according to you, breaks your insides but you drink. I know you drink regularly because when asked the question "Do you drink?" you replied with "Yes I do". You didn't reply with "Yes, I have had a drink in the past". Your reply suggested to me you did it regularly. If you did it regularly you must feel it has some benefits (at least enough to outweigh the well-known side effects of drinking alcohol).

Its has benefits in relatively small amounts, but what are the benefits of feeling dizzy, sick and having a huge headache and memory loss the morning after?

Quote from amp88 :

If you don't know the safe limit (and I think the question was a trick question because I don't think anyone could claim to have a justifiable answer to that question) then how can you insult people by saying they're too "thick" to know where their own safe limit is? Smacks of ignorance IMO.

If you don't know where the safe limit is then the smart thing to do is to just not go there.

Quote from amp88 :

You didn't say it about some people, you said it specifically about Klutch.

Thats not what I mean, to be fair I did say if.

Quote from amp88 :

You've already said twice in this thread that you drink alcohol.

I drink alcohol, I don't use it as liquid courage. And I undesratnd the risks and the affects abuse has on others, including people I don't even know or ever see.

Quote from amp88 :

Ah, so could you educate people to the dangers of marijuana and what safe limits are? Also, could you tell me the definition of "ignorant", because you must have a different dictionary than me. I think I'm more educated on the side effects of drugs (recreational and otherwise) than you are. If you're going to call people idiots at least have some logic on your side. You've made some very flimsy 'arguments', at least one logical fallacy (as JJ72 pointed out) and insulted several groups of people already.

Ok then...

-Cannabis can cause respiratory problems (although there is no solid link with cancer to be fair, and also depending on the way its taken).
-Cannabis has been linked to anxiety, psychosis and depression.
-There is also edvidence to suggest it increases the risk of pschotic disorders.

Personally I don't buy the gateway drug theory.

God knows what the safe limit is, the problem is that the long term effects are currently unclear.

You wan't a denfition of ignorant, ignorant is the kind of person who goes out and gets pissed or uses often, and forgets that others have to put up with their behavior changes, clean up their vomit, or carry out or fund their medical care for when it catches up with them. Thats ignorant.

I don't know how the fact that some need alcohol to feel relaxed is a logical fallacy, but I suppose throwing the term logical fallacy around out if context makes you sound more intelligent and intellectual. There are alcoholics out there, alcohol addiciton is a reality, not the result of overhyped government propaganda.

And apart from 'its not a harmful as alcohol or heroin so that makes it ok', what is your argument?

I agree that cannabis is one of the less dangerous of the 'famous' recreational drugs, but jumping off the roof of your house is arguably less dangerous than setting yourself on fire, but you still don't try it do you?

You need to realise that I'm not particularly against the legalisation of marijuana as it also causes its own problems, just that people need to apply common sense when they consider using it, or any other recreational drug. People should have the freedom of choice so long as they think, but people don't think.

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Quote from amp88 :

Hehe, it's quite hypocritical of you to call people who smoke marijuana "irresponsible idiots" but you regularly drink alcohol on nights out. I just don't understand what reason you have for calling marijuana users idiots.

Regularly? Do you know me?

People who get drunk all the time are idiots too. I enjoy alcohol for its other qualities, not as a drug, I understand that excessive alcohol can harm me, but I realise that it dosen't have to if used carefully and not as a drug.

Quote from boothy :

What right do you have to tell me where the "safe" level of playing is? If I'm not causing harm, injury or loss to you or anyone then what moral right do you have to tell me what to do?

Because as said above, people are too thick to know where their own safe limits are, so they have to be told. Its a shame, but then people have the choice to get a clue but they chose to be ignorant instead. The idiotic masses complain about the nanny state, but its only there because they can't look after themselves.

Drug use does cause harm, injury and loss to those around you, but because its often out of sight, its out of mind.

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Quote from amp88 :

My point would be it's not your place to tell someone else how they should feel or how they should act as long as they're not infringing on your rights or breaking (justified) laws.

As far as I'm concerned people can go out and break their insides, they just need to realise its a bloody stupid thing to do. And that it eventually affects others, e.g. relatives, friends, health services, who have to put up with the consequeces, oh well at least its freedom.

Its a shame people are allowed to be irresponsible idiots and claim it to be a statement of 'freedom'.

We can't have freedom of choice until people are educated and don't need protecting from themselves anymore. :rolleyes:

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Quote from Klutch :

Except i can feel relaxed without drinking...but it just takes the edge off. You seriously can't tell me you've never had a few drinks and just felt better and had a better night due to it?

Theres more to a good night out than alcohol. Many seem to think alcohol is the only key to having a good time, at which point its become a crutch that they rely on too often, at the expense of their intenal organs.

My point is you shouldn't clear all risks and dangers from your life, just you need to respect the dangers and sometimes its best to play it safe, and not get into a situation where you're not in control. Not enough people respect the dangers of going out and getting hammered week after week.

Quote from Klutch :

Its exactly the same thing.
A few drinks helps you relax and enjoy yourself.

But can you relax and enjoy yourself without drinks? This is the problem, you find having a few makes you feel more comfortable, then if you can't feel relaxed without drinks then they aren't something that you want anymore, they're something that you need.

Drinks at least can be enjoyed for their other qualities anyway, thats why I drink.

Quote from amp88 :

Yes, I believe some recreational drugs do have side effects, just as commercial drugs do. However, no-one has died from a marijuana overdose but thousands of people die every year from allergic reactions or side effects from manufactured prescription drugs, provided by trained medical professionals. The majority of the public are very aware of the side effects from recreational drugs (some of those side effects are real and others have been vastly exaggerated or made up by politicians and people with agendas) but not so many are aware or care about the side effects of commercial medicines. I wonder why that is.

I agree about commercial medicines, its frightening how some have their children and even their pets on all kinds of psychoactive drugs for 'behavior issues', again filling their bodies up with things they don't necessarily need or do more harm than good.

Quote from JJ72 :

It's not about need, it's about choice.

Some people think an afternoon with the reading club is a good time, some prefers other kicks.

Maybe minimalizing unhealthy and dangerous substance is priority for you, but for me as long as it doesn't affect my other activities, some risk is always fun.

Excessively loud music can damage hearing.
Driving fast can kill.
But it doesn't stop me enjoying both.

I wouldn't stop you, what I mean is people need to realise and appreciate the danger before they take risks, some forget what they could be doing to their body by taking drugs, which is probrably why they got into them in the first place.

Driving fast and loud music are a little different to taking drugs, you can always hit the brakes or turn to volume down any time you like, but can you just walk out of a drug addicition?

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Quote from Klutch :

Do you drink?

Its the exact same reason.

Yes I do, but I don't feel like I need to get pissed to have a good time. I'm not talking about going cold turkey, just its a good idea to fill your body up with as little unecessary crap as possible and never become reliant on it unless you absolutely have to through illness.

Lets not fly into rants when we get confronted with opinions different to ours.

Quote from amp88 :

That was clearly the point of my post. There's so much mis-education in the public's mind about drugs (recreational and otherwise). You should be more clear in what you say if you don't want it to be interpreted as I did.



Marijuana can produce stimulate different responses from the body. 3 of them are increased feeling of happiness, increased state of relaxation and deeper appreciation of music. They're subjective, of course, but ask most people who use marijuana and they'll probably have experienced those 3 responses. Sure, you can be happy, relaxed and appreciate music without being stoned, but the feelings can be accentuated by marijuana. I'm not saying some people don't abuse marijuana (just as people abuse alcohol). People who often drink alone or who would smoke alone every day may have psychological problems they are trying to overcome in the short term, but I don't think they typify the average marijuana or alcohol user. Should we ban alcohol because some people become alcoholics? Should we ban axes because some people decide to become axe-murderers?

If we all experienced life providing the body with merely what it needed to survive (i.e. basic food, water and some exercise) would we lead as full a life as if we regularly enjoyed meals in restaurants and a good wine? I don't think we would and I'm pretty sure you'd agree with that. Sometimes what makes life worth living is not what we need but what we want.

Eating good meals is a bit different to taking drugs. I'm not for banning drugs, just that people need to realise they have harmful side effects and that it isn't all fun and games. And that with some recreational drugs, the side effects outweigh the benefits and so its best to keep away. Banning isn't the answer, people need to be convinced to add up the risks and benefits and come to a conclusion themselves. If people want to be idiots and break themselves then fine, so long as you don't mind your NHS having to fix them at your expense.

Yeah so there are considerable benefits to getting high, but people will be wondering years down the line if it was really worth it when their lungs are shot (seeing as most people smoke marijuana).

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