Yeah 3rd is where I am behind the two MP4s. I can see them the whole race though as I'm running about a quarter second faster. Sadly by the time I get through the 458s I am too far back to do anything in 5 laps.

Quote from Shotglass :

does the new tyre physics change the weird reluctance that the cars have to get back in line after overtseering?

YES. 100%. This was the first thing I noticed.

Judas Priest I'm not sure how much better the tires can get now.

I hopped in the McLaren and beat my PB by over a second within 3 laps on the default setup

You can literally manhandle the crap out of it now, as well as everything else with one hand on the wheel.

And the 1M at Joux I think I have a new favourite car.

So much for "subtle" tire changes, I thought it was pretty damn good before but within 2 mins on this patch, grins are had ear to ear.

This deserves a celebratory Guinness.

And Dustin, you can use the standard hax to race the cars from the challenges on any track and it works (apparently, I've not tried).

Only tried the AI with the E30 so far and have to say I'm pretty impressed considering their early stage in development.
Most of the incidents I had were due to my own impatience and when driving properly they behaved well.
Did notice they yielded too much when you were in the right position though which is a bit boring and much like LFS AI behavior but overall I'm enjoying running with them

Quote from Ball Bearing Turbo :

Judas Priest I'm not sure how much better the tires can get now.

Damn you BBT know I have to go do a few HL at Imola to quench my curiosity

Quote from Ball Bearing Turbo :

I hopped in the McLaren and beat my PB by over a second within 3 laps on the default setup

Hm, i guess it depends on the car then, i've been hammering that Imola/abarth combo for days now, and with this patch i'm about two seconds slower.. But yeah, so much more going on with the tires and ffb now..

Quote from B2B@300 :

Damn you BBT know I have to go do a few HL at Imola to quench my curiosity

Curious what you think after you do.

I know that I tend to be positive about things (just how I live my life), but I was really pleasantly surprised tonight when I tried a few different cars (I did not try the little open wheeler, in fact I never have so I cannot comment).

The McLaren used to be quite razor edge, and I know it's SUPPOSED to be that way with the assists turned off per real life, but now it's still razor edge but you can be pre-emptive and drive the shit out of it without ever feeling like the car bit you for no reason - you really have to provoke it to spin now.

Hard to explain but the tires feel much less forgiving but much MORE forgiving at the same time somehow.

I'll have to try the 458 at Imola since I ran so many laps trying not to suck so bad, and see how that feels. But the fact that I shaved that much time off in 3 laps of basically fooling around in the McLaren tells me something. I feel a hell of a lot more confident in the cars now - I will never be as fast as Phil or anything but I sure don't have to be so careful with the cars now.

I'm no alien.

The 1M has probably overtaken the XRT in my heart as best all-around car. Just need to see if it takes ramps just as well.

Update: the AI hack does still work. Select a challenge and then switch to Quick Race (maintains the grid - I like this about the AC UI, everything you do transfers to the "next" thing you do - brilliant) and choose any track you want and it works decently.

edit: and BS you're not an alien :rolleyes:

Quote from Ball Bearing Turbo :

Curious what you think after you do.

Hard to explain but the tires feel much less forgiving but much MORE forgiving at the same time somehow.

Had to go out for half the day so only have just had a chance to do some laps in the McLaren around Imola.

It doesn't have tonnes more grip and hence I'm not doing quicker lap times out of the box (my pb is a 1-52-87) I got back to the 52's again but still takes a lot of effort but easier to be constant than the previous patch.

The tyres are definitely giving me more feel at the limit than the previous patch so I concur with your view above. The transition between grip and no grip is smoother and I felt like I could read the optimal slip angle better while driving than previously (not so hit an miss), also the car was a little more forgiving under brakes and acceleration as I can better read/feel lock-up and wheel spin with new patch.

The other thing I noticed has changed is that previously I felt you needed to have more steering angle than what I felt was natural to be fast on certain corners/bends and with the new patch this seems to have improved somewhat.

I am liking it a lot, will hopefully get some time to test the 458 and F40 tonight

If only my wheel wasn't packed up for another 2 weeks.

Quote from Ball Bearing Turbo :

edit: and BS you're not an alien :rolleyes:

Don't fuel his ego more pls, it took years of abuse in ineX for me to convince him he isn't the best driver in the history of the world

Quote from IsaacPrice :

Don't fuel his ego more pls, it took years of abuse in ineX for me to convince him he isn't the best driver in the history of the world

Wouldn't steathily making setup changes whenever he takes over the car have also worked?

AKA "Why does my FZR have no downforce!!"

Well, I tried the E30 AI and Fiat 500 AI, of which didn't really turn out to be a challenge. I also hopped on to the Lotus 49 @ Monza chalenge, which I didn't drive since patch 0.2.1, and I got 0.7 seconds quicker there. I didn't even drive this simulator since early Decemberish. It was good to get back on, but the hotlapping still doesn't entertain me enough to spend serious ammount of time on the simulator. rFactor 2 is a lot more rough, but still gives me more joy with the online + real road combo currently.



EDIT: It's also possible to create your own Special Event, so you don't have to screw around with changing game modes. Here's an example:
https://dl.dropboxusercontent. ... ents/SPECIAL_EVENT_28.rar

this is 5 laps on Imola with 1M against 4 AI's ... no penalties and you cant change tyres or setup ... but you can just edit the file and customize it

Quote from Ball Bearing Turbo :

Update: the AI hack does still work. Select a challenge and then switch to Quick Race (maintains the grid - I like this about the AC UI, everything you do transfers to the "next" thing you do - brilliant) and choose any track you want and it works decently.

On that note, keep in mind if you are to report any AI issues to do so when using the predefined combo from special events. They're sort of "case studies" for the time being.

Quote from Kristi :

EDIT: It's also possible to create your own Special Event, so you don't have to screw around with changing game modes. Here's an example:
https://dl.dropboxusercontent. ... ents/SPECIAL_EVENT_28.rar

Cool!

just had another go and i reconfigured my wheel and it doesnt seem half as bad as it did, but i think its placebo tbh. either way.. i tried the supercar challenge and the mclarens are doing 2'18.5 ish laps, im only just managing 2'19.9's so i looked online for the fastest laps and id be about 17th on the list.

looks like ive got a way to go on that one.

Quote from xaotik :

On that note, keep in mind if you are to report any AI issues to do so when using the predefined combo from special events. They're sort of "case studies" for the time being.

Good to see you posting here a bit, assuming you are the same xaotik as on ac forum :-)

I quite like the 1m but I'm still not liking the understeer ffb drop off. It's just too much. The steering loads up really nicely, then all of sudden it's like you have hit a patch of ice and you inadvertently add more lock.

Quote from B2B@300 :

The tyres are definitely giving me more feel at the limit than the previous patch so I concur with your view above. The transition between grip and no grip is smoother and I felt like I could read the optimal slip angle better while driving than previously (not so hit an miss), also the car was a little more forgiving under brakes and acceleration as I can better read/feel lock-up and wheel spin with new patch.

Sums it up perfectly


:hihi:

Quote from dawesdust_12 :

If only my wheel wasn't packed up for another 2 weeks.

(You pack for that long before you move? Especially important things like your wheel?)

Quote from IsaacPrice :

Don't fuel his ego more pls, it took years of abuse in ineX for me to convince him he isn't the best driver in the history of the world

Phil: I take it back, you suck. Here's your fail award: :trophy_br

Quote from xaotik :

On that note, keep in mind if you are to report any AI issues to do so when using the predefined combo from special events. They're sort of "case studies" for the time being.

Indeed I assumed this much. Since it's not "official" I wouldn't bother reporting issues with combos they haven't "released". I'm just happy they left the hack in place, and didn't mess with Joux being compatible.

Quote from Boris Lozac :

Hm, i guess it depends on the car then, i've been hammering that Imola/abarth combo for days now, and with this patch i'm about two seconds slower.. But yeah, so much more going on with the tires and ffb now..

The Tatuus now has more drag for a given level of wing angle. Not sure if downforce is changed at all. So with the same setup you will be slower on the straights and no quicker through the corners = slower. But the car is better to drive now. Haven't tried many car/track combos yet, but so far the subtle change has made quite a big difference.

May try the AI trick and see what here like on other tracks.

Jeff: I was told to pack stuff so I did. I figured I would be OK with a few weeks of no wheel (as I pretty much use it only once a month).

I was wrong.

Quote from tristancliffe :

The Tatuus now has more drag for a given level of wing angle. Not sure if downforce is changed at all. So with the same setup you will be slower on the straights and no quicker through the corners = slower.
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So what can i change now to make it quicker, too busy eating soup with my feet to play with all the setup options..

Surprised about how stable the performance is even with all 12 AIs in view. The E30 race is a blast, even tho they still almost kick my ass on "medium" The 500 Abarth race is bumper cars at its finest, and lets not talk about the Supercar challenge ...

Quote from Boris Lozac :

So what can i change now to make it quicker, too busy eating soup with my feet to play with all the setup options..

Lower the wing I guess so that you sacrifice less straight line speed. I had a quick try at Vallelunga yesterday and found less wing was a bit quicker, but I doubt I found the optimum compromise.

What I don't like about the AI is the feeling they're not on the same physics engine like you.

They only need to tap you the slightest at your rear quarter panel and you lose it.

If you on the other hand tap them on the rear quarter panel nothing happens, it's more likely that you end up spinning. Even if you dive bomb them on their rear end they correct it like it's just a little bump. You end up nowhere in the middle of the gravel.

Gives me that kind of train like "the AI is driving on rails"-feeling you know from games like the Gran Turismo series.

AI is ok.. enough so they can stop right now with wasting their time on it. It's not better in any other game/sim i bet..
They brake pretty early on Hard..

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iMsdsLvlT6o

any word from RSR that they'll reset the rankings? Formula Abarth ranking is pretty much useless now with all the drag added