Quote from Gougoodthing :

What race was this?

Singapore, Rosberg got a peice of.rubber lodged into his.front wing which effected his handling somewhat, I wouldn't say it effected it that much as.hamilton wasn't that much faster pace wise.

Gian Carlo Minardi has said that Red Bull are using traction control.

http://www.givemesport.com/385 ... control-says-former-owner

Quote from Gougoodthing :

Gian Carlo Minardo has said that Red Bull are using traction control.

http://www.givemesport.com/385 ... control-says-former-owner

interesting

"You would be fairly stupid to introduce traction control on to a car that is governed on a single ECU, which is done through a tender of the FIA and which is scrupulously checked by the FIA," said Horner.
Source

I'm seriously disappointed of RBR's haters - is TC really only thing you guys can come up?

I hate the way Vettel really runs away with it, but the headhunt on him from some big profiles lately is just ridiculous.

FIA does do stupid decision from time to time, but there is no way anything like that would ever go under their radar, laughable

Quote from TypeRacing :

I'm seriously disappointed of RBR's haters - is TC really only thing you guys can come up?

sorry that we question about their fairness, when there are signs of them using TC

Quote from CodeLyoko1 :

sorry that we question about their fairness, when there are signs of them using TC

"Signs"? Go on...

There isn't signs of them using TC though. Even if there was it wouldn't account for the advantage they have. A car getting on the power earlier doesn't mean TC, it means more grip. That noise isn't the same as what you'd hear in say 2001-2007 when TC was allowed, either.

E: Teemu pls

Looks like the weather will play a part in the Korea race...

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/formula1/24380139

#WhereIsKimi

Quote from TypeRacing :

#WhereIsKimi

Quote from TypeRacing :

#WhereIsKimi

Taking a sh!t.

Quote from IsaacPrice :

A car getting on the power earlier doesn't mean TC, it means more grip.

Well in terms of a TC situation [low speed] every car will have the basically the same grip levels... they all run the same tyre after all.

It's probably only above 50-60mph [100kph] that the difference of aero from car to car is gonna play a difference in acceleration rates.

Quote from BlueFlame :

Well in terms of a TC situation [low speed] every car will have the basically the same grip levels... they all run the same tyre after all.

No. If you can't understand why this is wrong then you haven't been following F1 very carefully for the last few years.

Quote from amp88 :

No. If you can't understand why this is wrong then you haven't been following F1 very carefully for the last few years.

Yea, because aero plays a part at a hairpin.. lol wtf

Quote from BlueFlame :

Yea, because aero plays a part at a hairpin.. lol wtf

Blown diffusers. There is also, of course, a difference in mechanical grip.

Quote from amp88 :

Blown diffusers. There is also, of course, a difference in mechanical grip.

The lower the speed. The less the difference. When talking about exiting the corner [applying throttle whilst still turning] depending on the speed of said corner will depend on the effect of the mechanical grip relative to the speed.

When talking about straight line acceleration then the only difference between cars would how the cars launch from standing still to moving but once moving there will be next to no difference in the cars [engine performance aside].

Let us not forget, mechanical grip AND aero for that matter helps you much more in corners and in braking compared to acceleration.


Also a blown diffuser isn't going to help you on exit... If anything it's just gonna slow down your acceleration past the point of needing TC anyway.


I think the key is running such a high rake angle to be honest.

Quote from BlueFlame :

The lower the speed. The less the difference.

No. The exact opposite is true. The more effective your blown diffuser is on power at low speed the greater the advantage you have compared to the other cars.

Quote from BlueFlame :

When talking about exiting the corner [applying throttle whilst still turning] depending on the speed of said corner will depend on the effect of the mechanical grip relative to the speed.

When talking about straight line acceleration then the only difference between cars would how the cars launch from standing still to moving but once moving there will be next to no difference in the cars [engine performance aside].

Once again: No. You're ignoring the performance impact of a blown diffuser in low speed acceleration (straightline or exiting a corner).

Quote from BlueFlame :

Let us not forget, mechanical grip AND aero for that matter helps you much more in corners and in braking compared to acceleration.

True, but any extra downforce you can generate compared to your rivals from apex to corner exit and through the traction zone will add up to significant time over a single lap, nevermind a race distance. If you can, say, gain half a tenth of a second per traction event (number pulled from thin air for purpose of discussion) then on a track with 10+ traction events you've made have a second on your rivals.

Quote from BlueFlame :

Also a blown diffuser isn't going to help you on exit... If anything it's just gonna slow down your acceleration.

Are you serious? You're saying F1 cars aren't traction limited when accelerating from a slow corner? Really?

Quote from amp88 :

Are you serious? You're saying F1 cars aren't traction limited when accelerating from a slow corner? Really?

???? I'm saying the exact opposite.

Energy you use to suck the car onto the road via a diffuser is energy that's not propelling the car forward.

If you have magnets on your tyres and you drive on mild steel you're gonna have a shit tonne of grip but you'll be fighting the forces pulling you down whilst trying to accelerate.

Quote from BlueFlame :

???? I'm saying the exact opposite.

So why exactly would more downforce (from the blown diffuser) slow your acceleration? It's increasing rear grip (and therefore traction) and allowing you to put down more power.

Quote from amp88 :

So why exactly would more downforce (from the blown diffuser) slow your acceleration? It's increasing rear grip (and therefore traction) and allowing you to put down more power.

Read above. There's a balance. If you can choose more grip mechanically over aerodynamically then it benefits you MORE on corner exit.

You're right that it gives more grip and increases traction but it's also a moving brick. You might have given yourself traction but aerodynamics cause drag.

Quote from BlueFlame :

Read above. There's a balance. If you can choose more grip mechanically over aerodynamically then it benefits you MORE on corner exit.

That isn't the issue here though. You initially said it wouldn't help and would possibly hinder. Then you changed your tune when presented with an opposing view.

Quote from BlueFlame :

You're right that it gives more grip and increases traction but it's also a moving brick. You might have given yourself traction but aerodynamics cause drag.

If there's one thing that Red Bull has consistently demonstrated through the last few years it's that they're willing to sacrifice straightline speed at almost every single track (Monza being among the small number of possible exceptions) for better cornering performance. That cornering performance includes the blown diffuser.

HAHAHAHAHA That is some epic BlueFlame material right here.

- EBD doesn't help low speed exit.
- Only engine dictates launch acceleration.
- EBD robs "energy" that could be used to accelerate. (this one is mindblowing).

Wow ! Keep it up man!

Quote from PhilS13 :

- EBD robs "energy" that could be used to accelerate. (this one is mindblowing).

Sorry that simple physics are lost on you. You use your acceleration energy to fight forces pulling you down. The balance of these forces are what is important.

It's exactly the same as having a car with more weight... is it really such a hard concept to understand???



@amp I have to concede that you're probably correct here regarding RB going for acceleration rather than top speed.