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wsinda
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Quote from AzN_devil :*EDIT* dont know if its ok to post this here..so im gonna remove it for now

It's OK to post. In my replay analyser you can also view this data (see screenie). One person thought it was illegal to show setup data, but changed his mind after he saw it was documented on the LFS site.
wsinda
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Quote from Leprekaun :Personally, something which I think ALL of motorsport lacks is nobility.

You think so? Here is a quote I picked at random:
Quote from Wikipedia :(Mike Hawthorn) was the winner of the 1958 Formula One Championship. With only one win that year against four wins of Stirling Moss, he benefited greatly from the gentlemanliness of Moss as shown at the Portuguese Grand Prix of Porto. Hawthorn was disqualified for pushing his car, against the rules, on the way to a second place finish. Moss interceded on Hawthorn's behalf and the decision was ultimately reversed. Those second place points at Porto contributed to Hawthorn winning the championship with a season total just one single point more than that of Moss.

wsinda
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Quote from Becky Rose :What we'd like to do is offer you great new features, but without money we cant do it, and we are fully aware that asking you for it is going to get us no where, but ...

If we can do all of this just for 0.25 seconds of your bandwidth whilst you connect to a server, is that okay with you guys?

Becky, Sam,

I'm sure you have great plans, and I'm grateful for all the wonderful things you have done so far. I also realise that running STCC/CTRA has cost you a lot of money, and that it will continue to be costly even with sponsoring.

Still, I'm against advertising. Not because of the bandwidth it costs; I have broadband, so I couldn't care less. But seeing ads does cost me money. Sponsors will only pay for the ads if they work. (OK, some sponsors may give money because they like your plans so much. But the average sponsor is well aware of the effectiveness of his ads.) Ads that work make sales rise, and the money from the sales came out of the pockets of the folks who watched the ads.

In short, the funds that you'd receive came from the visitors of your servers. But in an indirect way, and after the advertisement industry has gotten its share. You say you don't want to ask your visitors for money. But advertising also draws money from them -- without their consent, and (partly) outside their control.

With websites we've seen a technological arms race because of advertising. People who don't want to see ads invent ways to block them, and the folks who run the ads invent ways to circumvent the ad-blockers. Loads of effort has been spent in this war, in both camps. This may also happen in LFS.

Please consider this when you plan to cross the Rubicon.
wsinda
S2 licensed
Quote from SamH :There'd be absolutely no need to ask Scawen for an ad-blocker. Don't join the commercially financed server. This has already been covered. Read the thread.

I did read the thread. In post #54 you said, in response to AndroidXP:
Quote :I'm sure Scawen would ensure that it would be optional. If I had a choice, I'd ask for default to be on (auto download), because it lends leverage when server ops are talking to sponsors, but I'm confident that nobody who objected would be forced. I would definitely make that decision to accept/refuse detectable by server ops, though. I think that's important, for collecting stats etc.

If I read you correctly, you say downloading ads should be a user-selectable option. If so, it would be fine with me. Ad-haters like me can set it to "off", racing fans who want things to look like real life set it to "on". Problem solved.

But I'm skeptical that it would be like that, because an easy way to block ads will diminish their value (less eyeballs). Sponsors will pay less, so admins of sponsored servers will be tempted/pressured by sponsors to refuse connections from "ad-blocked" visitors. I think you are leaning that way, because you want the blocking to be detectable for the server, and in post #61 you state:
Quote :Don't join the commercially financed server.

It's not a "plethora of negativity", Sam. I'm strongly against commercialism, yes, but for good reasons. I think it's detrimental to society. But let's keep that discussion for some other thread.

LFS has been a "non-commercialised" sim until now, and for me that was an important reason to buy it and to join the community. I'd hate to see that go.
wsinda
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Quote from Alan Dove :He could have stayed on the outside, there is grip there..... but he didn't because he was smart....

my point being you have to be aggressive.....

He didn't because he was either a clean driver, or not a very good one. If he was as aggressive as you, he'd have stayed on the outside and collided with you when you went wide. And he'd have been the one in the right.
wsinda
S2 licensed
-1 :thumbsdow

I despise TV programs and movies that try to get me to buy stuff. I use an ad-blocker and a spam filter. I avoid websites that pop up commercial garbage. I try to keep my doormat free from paper ads. And it's no different when I'm playing LFS.

Product placement would ruin my fun in racing. If a server admin would throw in billboard ads for real products, I'd disconnect immediately. And if the devs would need to insert ads to cover their costs, I'll happily pay some extra money for an ad-free licence.

In real-life racing money talks. Do you want it to be that way in LFS, too?

Quote :add the option for users to turn it off.

Forget it. Sponsors won't pay for ads that can be turned off with a simple click. Next, admins of sponsored servers will be asking Scawen for a server-side option to ignore ad-blocking.

Quote from SamH :Think of it in the other way I suggested.. LFS leagues offering actual prizes.

If you want to offer actual prizes, then require a fee from drivers who want to enter the competition.
wsinda
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Quote from Alan Dove :Now the driver who I overtook did the sensible thing on not try to hang on round the outside because my now inherited racing line dictated i was going to run out on the exit as I accelerated away.

It's not very clear to see in the vid, but I don't think you "inherited" the racing line. You did have the right to the apex, but that doesn't mean you have a right to the exit. If the other guy needed to lift while there was still overlap, then you squeezed him.

As long as there is significant overlap, neither the inside driver nor the outside driver has exclusive rights to the corner. Both drivers must leave room for the other, so neither can take the optimal driving line. The inside driver must wait until he has fully overtaken the other, then he can use the full width of the track.

Your interpretation of the rules is biased towards the inside driver. He just needs to brake very late to get the apex, and then he can squeeze the other at corner exit, or block him when he tries a switchback.

(Maybe it's different in karting, because karts are too short to make 'overlap' meaningful, or because contact has less severe consequences.)
wsinda
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Quote from Thill :3/4 dont give a ****, why should I?

Because if you don't give a **** and stop racing cleanly, you will make the problem worse and ruin other people's race.

Be part of the problem or be part of the solution. It's your choice.
wsinda
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The fuel usage of F1 cars is totally irrelevant. If the FIA wants to contribute in the fight against global warming they should do all races in one country. The F1 teams travel around the globe during the season, mostly by plane, and that's sending far more CO2 into the atmosphere than all the laps they could ever do on track.

In this light the most dangerous sport is probably soccer, purely because of its popularity. Think about it, all the fuel wasted by people driving to the stadium, all the kilowatts spent on televised matches, or on keeping the fan's beers cool... It's a massive emission of CO2. Ban it!

Quote :Climate change is probably the single biggest issue facing our planet

Nonsense. Mankind may be harmed by global warming, but the planet will be just fine. The effect is only that some species dwindle while others thrive. (However, the mass extinction caused by deforestation and other human activities, that's a different story...)

Quote :One F1 team has one-use-only wheel bolts that cost £600 each.

Maybe. But wasting wheel bolts can be perfectly CO2 neutral.
wsinda
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Quote from SamH :I think the biggest problem with depression is that most people would have to experience it in order to understand just exactly how debilitating it is. Unless you've been there and remember what it's like, "get out and about and pull yourself together" can seriously compound the problem rather than help. It's an illness - a medical condition.

Sadly, this also happens with other "invisible" conditions, such as ME and whiplash. Many people, including medical professionals, react like "I can't see any injuries, so you're not sick, and now stop complaining". They don't even see the error in their thinking.
wsinda
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Quote from thisnameistaken :My doc just wanted to give me pills and make me go away. I told him I didn't want pills so he put me on a lower dose, I took them once, felt smacked up, never took them again.

On the positive side, it did at least make me realise I had to solve the problem myself.

Some doctors can be a great help, some are outright harmful for your health.

I agree that you must solve your problems yourself, in the sense that you must choose who you go to for treatment. You're the only one who can decide what works and what doesn't. If your doctor only makes things worse, go to someone else.

I disagree that you must solve your problems yourself, in the sense that medics are useless. Some people can get out of a depression alone, but it's not for everyone, and not for every condition.
Quote from DieKolkrabe :A 'friend' is saying I have no right to be depressed. I am /so/ tempted to put her MSN here and let you all yell at her.

Then stuff her. What holds for doctors is also true for friends: be critical who you turn to, and shun them if they make you feel worse. (Later, when you get better, they may be good to be with. But not now.)
wsinda
S2 licensed
Quote from lerts :what if atlantis was true and we were facing the same destiny

Then the killer whales will take over and rule the world.

But not to worry. Nostradamus, Piri Reis and Hermes Trismegistus will come to the rescue in the flying Great Pyramid, ship us all to Andromeda and we will live in eternal bliss with the Vulcans and the Thetans. (Or something like that. I tend to forget the details. Maybe the Hopi were involved too, and the Templars. Oh, and some onions and catsup.)
wsinda
S2 licensed
Quote from lerts :if nasa was to calculate when the winter equinox is in 25000 years they would make a mistake of 50 years due to equinox precession accelerating and decelerating

What a bunch of morons an Nasa! Any prediction of the winter solstice has an error of at most half a year...
(FYI: the equinox is not in winter, but in spring and autumn.)

Seriously, I think I can guess what kind of calculation you refer to. Quite possibly this date has an intrinsic randomness, according to current astronomical knowledge. Random means that, by its very nature, it can not be calculated precisely. So, if I assume that the astronomers are right -- like you do yourself -- anyone who makes an estimate that turns out to be very close has merely been lucky. By definition.

Another experiment: ask 100 people in your home town to predict the local temperature exactly 1 year from now. Meteorologists will tell you that any estimate will have an error of at least 5 degrees. Now, if you collect the guesses from these 100 people, I'm sure that next year you will find that your town has a couple of meteorological geniuses!
wsinda
S2 licensed
To make a program, offer it for free download without bragging, and to invite constructive comments, that's something that many 28 year olds won't be able to do. So for an 8 year old, it's pretty amazing.

Shaun, a big for your effort. Sorry for the non-constructive feedback you got in this thread.
wsinda
S2 licensed
Quote from Rooble :'Sticks and stones will break my bones, but names will never hurt me'

The person who thought that up was obviously never bullied at school. Nor was he/she ever in a bad relationship.
People can be stunningly clever in finding the words that really hurt.
wsinda
S2 licensed
For the "test drive" lessons there are no target times. You can only score "OK". (IIRC)

In lessons where you can score "QUICK" or "PRO", you will see a target time on screen before you start.
wsinda
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Quote from NotAnIllusion :AFAIK, calling someone a ni gg er is not against the law, even if it may be anti-social.

It may be or may not be against the law, depending on where you live. But it can get you a ban:
Quote from LFS End-user license agreement :1.5 Extreme disruptive or offensive behaviour by a user, towards the developers or members of the community, may result in temporary or permanent suspension of the user's Live for Speed license.

So if this is a case of persistent harassment, you can send a complaint to the devs. But to have a case, you should save a couple of replays that contain the offensive language/behaviour.

(This won't help against misbehaving demo users, though.)
wsinda
S2 licensed
When I grow up I want sideburns all the way down here.

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The doctor hasn't yet figured out exactly what stuff is coming out of my ears in fast corners.
wsinda
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Immature it may be, but...
Quote from Oscar Wilde :Imitation is the sincerest form of flattery.

wsinda
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The new ejector seats are so powerful that a St. Bernard is delivered as part of the package.
wsinda
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Tyre temperatures have already been discussed in the test patch forum:
Quote from Scawen :Just in case anyone is concerned about this and which way it will go, I am quite convinced that hotlappers should be able to set the start position and the tyre temperatures. It would stop this messing around doing donuts and whatever before doing the hotlap. This decision is based on the opinions of the actual hotlappers, those guys who really do a lot of this, they want it that way, so it's more convenient to do the hot lap. They want to spend more time lapping and less time warming up the tyres. This is different from reality, that's true, but then LFS differs from reality in many ways, for convenience. For example we just appear on the grid, we don't have to drive to the race track - you know what I mean. If you want reality then just go racing in reality! If you want a sim then you are avoiding many of the problems of reality, and cutting it down to the actual racing. That's the purpose of a racing sim. Get in and RACE. Similarly the purpose of hotlapping is to get in and LAP!

A reset (by pressing SPACE) also resets wear and damage back to zero. It also resets the tyre temperatures, though.
wsinda
S2 licensed
Quote from Niels Heusinkveld :This lateral movement of the contact patch can easily be a few centimeters and I suppose it would act much like a spring; with more lateral force, the contact patch moves more.

I'd expect it to behave like a spring+damper. The role of the air inside the tire is limited (since it's not compressed much by sideways tire flex), so most of the behaviour comes from the sidewall. Rubber has a significant amount of internal damping. This could make the tire more forgiving, because the response to fast load changes is damped.

OTOH, race tires have stiffer sidewalls than street tires -- possibly because less tire flex makes the car more responsive and gives the driver a better 'feel' of the car. But in simracing you get less feedback than IRL and you get it later, so a more forgiving tire may be helpful to keep the car under control.
wsinda
S2 licensed
Heh, if there is one thing you won't ever get from web designers, it's consensus! Ask 2 designers, get 3 opinions.

IMHO it doesn't really matter in this case if you go for fixed or fluid width. Fluid layout is better for sites where readability matters: sites that people visit often, and that contain a lot of content. UKCTRA is not one of those, I think.

Fixed width can be a good choice if you want to do some fancy graphics, and need everything to be pixel perfect. OTOH, even with web standards and CSS-based layout you can make amazing pages; visit CSS Zen Garden to get a taste.

I'd say you can design for a width of 1024 px. But allow for some whitespace at the sides -- this makes it look cleaner, and it also ensures that the content is still visible at smaller widths (900 px, or if possible 800).
wsinda
S2 licensed
* It looks like you use keyboard or gamepad as controller. In any case, the steering input is "digital". Try driving with the mouse (and buttons for throttle/brake) instead. With analog steering it's much easier to drive a good lap.

* Do not brake after the turn-in point. Braking and steering at the same time often result in locked wheels, and you will go wide and miss the turn. (Later, you can try trail braking, but it's better to avoid it for now.)

* Download hotlap replays from LFS World, and compare the driving with your own. Do not immediately go for the World Record replays, though. Start with someone who is 1 or 2 seconds faster than you.

* Keep practicing. It takes time to become a good racer.

Maybe the tips in this track guide can also help you.
wsinda
S2 licensed
Your car looks nice, but it is not very likely that you can drive it in LFS. The devs have said that LFS will not be open to modding before S3, so you will have to wait a couple of years (at least).

If you want to model your own car and drive it in a sim, then you'd better try rFactor or Racer.
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