Quote from KartRacer :

@JTCK: Not that far off this season. More than 1/2 (54%) are street or road courses. What they do need is some more permanent road courses, to replace just a couple of the ovals. Get rid of Iowa and Kentucky and substitute Road America and Laguna Seca.

Street Courses(6) 35%
Streets of Sao Paulo
Streets of Saint Petersburg
Barber Motorsports Park
Streets of Long Beach
Streets of Toronto
Edmonton City Centre Airport

Road Courses(3) 18%
Watkins Glen International
Mid-Ohio Sports car Course
Infineon Raceway

Ovals(8) 47%
Kansas Speedway
Indianapolis Motor Speedway
Texas Motor Speedway
Iowa Speedway
Chicagoland Speedway
Kentucky Speedway
Twin Ring Motegi
Homestead-Miami Speedway

I disagree, I think they should get rid of kansas and kentucky and replace them with Rockingham and Eurospeedway. The races there are usually fantastic especially CART at Lausitzring.

I dont know about you but I think Edmonton is kinda boring. Laguna Seca is a much better place. So...I say...keep the number of oval races (they have JUST enough) and replace some street courses with permanent road courses (Laguna Seca, Brands Hatch).

Personally tho, I think Indycar has a but too little oval races but I'm not complaining. If they continue to slash the number of oval races then I'll be fairly angry. But for now it's a pretty decent schedule.

I think people are starting to realize that it is possible to go 2 wide throughout most if not all of the Kyoto Oval.

Just go high but stay as tight as possible and you should be able to maintain atleast side by side with someone who is passing you. If he actually does pass you anyways, then it was really bound to happen. So just prepare to catch the draft and repass him.

Blocking is fine. But blocking like that is horribly unnecessary and it will hurt you as well as the person you're blocking

roller coaster for me.

Completely missed the hotlap session and had to race my way in or else be out completely. With a 0 time, provisional was out of the question 100%.

started last, got caught in an incident with Shayne which spun me. No caution and joined right behind the 41. Unlapped myself b4 the 1st caution and went up to 5th. Runas was blocking like his life depended on it and almost took out Yann and I (I wont protest...dont know about Yann, but please be careful next time). Fell back to 7-8th after that blocking incident...tried to bump my way back but too many people were making desperate blocks and moves and eventually a lag bump dropped me to 11-13th with Cagas and Martin. By now I'm starting to worry and I fought the both of them as hard as I could. Then Elliot fell back to us and I thought I should atleast go for a 10. Pushed him wide in T3 (sorry just oval racing :razz and switched back him to finish 10th before him.

Overall..could have been much better (especially since I was once running 5th) but I also could have crashed and not qualified.

I'm somewhat pleased that I was able to race in. Just hope that I dont stay at the end of the field for long come this K250 .

Also, thanks a lot TEM guys for allowing me in their channel.

The now 100% correct 2048 version...sorry lol

EDIT: Updated the Miku skin again and added the generic clockwork skin...having a hard time figuring out which one to drive with so i just post both for now :\

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Quote from lizardfolk :

Vocaloid Hatsune Miku #0 Stock Car

EDIT: Fixed Skin

2048 version (as requested by deko)

Quote from Gunn :

@ GreyBull: while your first post is well written, your thread title comes across as being hostile and is likely to attract negative posts from the wider community.

@ members: If you don't have a relevant opinion to post, or you can't post it without personal insult, or you just want to vent your ten year old temper on everybody who posts on this forum, piss off.

+1

I think most people forgot or didnt care to notice that this is Yann posting here...not some random drifter demo driver. Criticism is NOT necessarily a negative thing...it is different than meaningless whining (which is what a lot of demo drivers do). A lot of people's unconditional loyalty and love for LFS has made them blind to the current state of the game.

Quote from Falcon140 :

If they punish Carl, they should punish Brad too. Plain and simple. He's wrecked so many people intentionally without punishment or retaliation. Carl showed him that he can't push people around without getting pushed back.

I've always felt they should have punished Brad. They dont necessarily need to revoke his license as if they were FIA. But something consequential.

I'm happy NASCAR's getting rid of the wing, I'm happy that NASCAR's allowing bumpdrafting again, I'm not happy with NASCAR continuing this chain of intentional wrecking. It is my only complaint of NASCAR now and they are diving deeper and deeper into it.

Eventually you'll have 20 intentional wrecks each race then it's not a matter of who has better racecraft...it's just a matter of who doesn't get involved in avoidable accidents.

Quote from Falcon140 :

Brad's a punk. Punk's get put in their place, and he did. He's just like Kyle Busch. He pushes people out of the way all day long, and that's just fine, but if someone does it to him, he's up in arms and angry. You gotta be able to take it to give it, and Brad learned that.

It's not demo derby NASCAR, it's real racing. Real drivers are back, not fake people just wearing logos with NASCAR holding their leash. NASCAR stuck to their guns, and I'm proud of them for it. For years I've begged NASCAR to stick to their promises and not go back on what they say. They said this year, the drivers handle their own business, and that's what they're doing. I, for one, have been wanting this for years, and think they handled the situation perfectly.

Now all we need to do is get rid of the stupid chase, and NASCAR is perfect.

There's a very very big difference between keeping the drivers on a leash and having some set of consequences.

NASCAR "forbidding bumpdrafting" is doing too much. But NASCAR punishing intentional wrecking is hardly "putting the drivers on a leash". Standards is what makes professional racing different (and more respectable) than illegal street racing. Without standards, it's just a bunch of guys trying to prove that they have a bigger dick than the other competitors. Nevermind safety, this kind of thing is just farcical and it would just turn into a reality tv show... Is this how a supposedly world class series is suppose to conduct itself?

I mean...you dont need to turn NASCAR into FIA...but completely getting rid of standards is the absolute extreme reaction to FIA and F1.

Carl Long was suspended for half a season for having the engine slightly too high. Carl Edwards takes out another competitor and he gets a "probation"? Does that even sound remotely fair?

What happens when someone takes someone innocent out? (which happened with Scott Speed in ARCA btw...). What happens when a driver "fakes" anger and "pretends to be wronged" just to take out another close competitor? In F1 Senna would sometime just ram into Prost just to keep Prost from scoring more points than him.

This is true racing? The day this becomes "true" racing is the day that racing will die. We're talking about a supposedly world class...FAIR...sporting series. Not WWE.

Quote from DeadWolfBones :

Pretty good article here: http://sportsillustrated.cnn.c ... edwards.keselowski.crash/

I also find it really amusing that Carl Long got suspended last season for 12 races(!) for his engine being .17 cubic inches above the legal limit--at the All-Star race! not even a points race!--and Carl Edwards gets a three-race "probation" for deliberately wrecking someone (and potentially endangering fans) when he was 150+ laps down. Total bullshit.

NASCAR is now officially retarded. Good luck with your demo derby NASCAR...

I should be there

I'm withdrawing from this league. Thanks

K500 style Qualifying and Mandate R2s? Please?

**Lizardfolk
Lizardfolk
pariahserpent@hotmail.com

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Any idea when the Honda Accord team will show up? I kinda want some more variety of cars on the track

I love how people bashing Karun's GP2 results forget the fact that Kobayashi was a complete reject to GP2.

I think this just proves that GP2 isn't that great of a tool to judge F1 success anymore...heck...just look at the GP2 car...IndyCars would be a better preparation tool for F1...(the modern 1996 one...not CART/ChampCar)

Quote from ATC Quicksilver :

NASCAR is to blame for the whole incident, if they had sorted Brad out themselfs then the drivers wouldn't feel the need to do it on the track. I think Carl is a top bloke, he wouldn't go out to hurt anyone on purpose, but he has a moral code and obviously wanted to teach Brad a lesson for being such an ****. Also NASCAR should never have switched to those rear wings, they must have known it would cause the cars to flip over if they got turned, unless they just thought it looked cool and didn't actually do any testing on it.

+1. Any chains of intentional wrecking is completely NASCAR's fault and has always been NASCAR's fault. This trend has been going on far enough:
Hmeil v. Jarrett
Gordon v. Kenseth
Newman v. Montoya
Gilliland v. Montoya
Hamlin v. Keselowski

It's just unfortunate that it has to take an incident like this to actually slap NASCAR in the face. Maybe this time they will do something about all of these shenanigans instead of being complete pussies.

But knowing NASCAR I dont think they'll do much...

After thinking for a while, I'm starting to empathize with Carl more. Brad definitely was just pushing everyone too far and it was just a matter of time before an incident like this would happen. If it had not been Carl who'd done it, it would have probably been Hamlin or someone else in the near future.

NASCAR has a chance now...to put it's foot down on this subject once and for all...I just hope they dont let this chance slip away

Quote from tristancliffe :

(and lower skill of the drivers).

I dont think skill really has much to do with it. If presented with the limitations of the machine (in terms of generating G-Forces that is), there isn't anything anyone can really do about that. Schumacher or Senna wouldn't necessarily be able to pull more Gs from the IndyCars compared to IndyCar drivers. Mansell and Piquet were both in IndyCars and they weren't necessarily achieving blinding speed in them. Heck, after Mansell's stellar rookie season in CART, he started to fade and became as accident prone as Andretti in F1.

The fact that there hasnt been any successful F1 driver crossovers to IndyCar (and I'm talking about the IndyCar we know today...which started in 1996 compared to old CART or ChampCar) speaks to that as well. We'll see how Sato does in the new IndyCar.

Also, greater G-Forces doesn't necessarily translate into more skill. It's a tendency...but not necessarily a rule. I mean Rally drivers experience less Gs than F1 drivers yet Rally drivers have much more driving skill over F1. Same applies to Touring Car, relatively slow series...but not necessarily lesser in skill compared to GT or even open wheel

Quote from SidiousX :

I agree that it was a stupid move, but they didn't suspend Hamlin for intentionally wrecking Keslowski, or Montoya intentionally wrecking Stewart in the Homestead race.

And they should have. Remember Shane Hmeil? Does anyone remember the horrible amounts of complete bullsh*t that he did and NASCAR didn't do crap? NASCAR is a completely pussy when it comes to these drivers and they seriously need to grow a pair.

Quote from SidiousX :

It's all just anger caused by close racing.

Emotion has no place on the track especially anger. It's what turns any sport into a stupid reality show. I mean...emotion can be interesting but more often then not it just turns NASCAR into a farce.

Quote from SidiousX :

The same thing could have happened in the Hamlin/Keslowski incident as well, it's just a matter of how things turned out. In the end, everybody that does it is pushing quarterpanels, what happens after that is completely different.

Exactly...which is why the Hamlin incident is just as bad as this incident (imho). NASCAR is sometimes more about the bickering rivalry and resulting pit maneuvers instead of racing for the sake of racing

Rubbin is racing...but WRECKING isn't. This isn't demolition derby and NASCAR would be wise to make sure that both the drivers and the audiences know the difference between Rubbin and wrecking.

Park Edwards...and the next time Brad (or anybody else for that matter) does something as bad as Edwards? Park him (them) as well. NASCAR needs to grow some balls in this matter and do their job.

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It looks great Falcon Good luck

Sometimes...I dream about cheese

Quote from Forbin :

An unwillingness to make use of one's mental faculties does not make a person stupid? You don't necessarily have to be smart to get into college, you know. I met a lot of dumb kids in my 4 years.

I know that college can have very dumb kids. But for me...the definition of "stupid" means that the person doesnt have the ability to process beyond a certain level of comprehension. Regardless if the individual has the willingness to comprehend beyond a certain level. Not willing to comprehend beyond a certain level on a certain subject is more an effect of extreme apathy than a physiological inability (or poor mental development (education)).

Quote from Forbin :

As for the oval racing, I never said it was easy, I said it was boring. That's not a false statement of fact, like saying racing requires no effort, just an opinion.

That actually wasnt targeted at you (sorry for any miscommunication). And yes, I do realize that an opinion that oval racing's boring is different from someone making a statement that oval racing takes 0 skill (or saying that racing takes no physical effort).

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Quote from Forbin :

The reason I oppose your generalization is this: whenever I tell friends/acquaintances/coworkers I race and describe the physical exertion involved, comments range from an understanding nod, to further questions about exercises I do. I've never gotten a blank stare or an uninterested apathetic "you just sit there on the bike."

The age range of these people goes from about 22 to 65 years, with no kind of pattern to the questions based on age. The interest is universal.

Well if I had told someone that I was into bike racing that would have automatically made me "cool" and thus people would pay much more attention.

People all around me are either really really into the street racing culture (and drifting) or just jaded against motorsports in general. So when I describe professional motor racing like IndyCar, F1, NASCAR, ALMS, w/e...I usually get that said blank stare and a "you just sit in a car" statement. HOWEVER, when I talk to people outside of my college (older about from 26-40) people are generally much more open minded and much more willing to use their intelligence.

I even had a long conversation about the stock car racing in the Syracuse area with a Cornell Physics professor.

Maybe just the people I know within my college (and the Cornell students) just suck. I'm willing to admit that. But just because they dont make that common sense connection doesnt automatically make them stupid. They might be narcissistic, angsty, judgmental bastards...but they aren't necessarily stupid. But it is also my experience that this kind of narcissistic judgmental attitude is also shared by oval bashers So I'm not exactly that far away from home am i...

Quote from legoflamb :

I think the subject in question is lowered standards will only give rise to even lower standards. In this case standards of common sense.

Yes you hit it right on the mark. And this cycle is continuing based on the current upcoming generation. Doesn't mean the generation is getting stupider (although that can be the case, it isnt necessarily the case)

Quote from blackbird04217 :

That said, there is nothing common sense about that statement, he is making an opinion, or a completely absurd statement that is meaningless; Hannah Montana and Racing have less to do than Apples and Oranges (which are at least both fruits or even food for that matter). But this statement has no fact or meaning - therefor commonsense really can't apply. Least I think so. Now if he mentioned something like: "Racing is pointless, cars are driving around and getting nowhere just wasting our resources" That actually contains some common sense that racing involves using resources; oil/gas etc... But the other side could then argue back that racing advances automotive (and other industries) technologies, and provides entertainment. The debate can go on, but facts need to be used to back things up; How useless is Hannah Montana? Not very. There are millions of fans that are; entertained and addicted/stuck on watching/listening to her media outlets. That is not meaningless, meaningless to me - yes, because I am not a fan of that entertainment.

Exactly, thanks for pointing out the obvious but the fact that the statement lacks any common sense is precisely the point. That statement wasn't made by an inbreed redneck. It was made by a well educated Ivy League Graduate Student who is studying Advanced Chemstry (in fact I'd say he's smarter than most...including me)

Quote from Forbin :

Fundies of all types are unintelligent, judgmental, and angsty.

Judgmental? Yes. Angsty? Sure. But that doesnt make him necessarily stupid. If he wouldn't have the ability to comprehend why racing is physically exhausting due to G-Forces or why racing can be beneficial then he would be stupid. He has the ability to comprehend but he chooses not to exercise that ability. That's the difference between someone who is stupid and someone who just has extreme apathy. It might result in the same idiotic comment. But just brushing it off by saying "the person is just too dumb" is lazy. I mean all this is what extreme apathy does to people and extreme apathy does define our generation (there's sociology articles on it if you care...but you probably dont and that in itself is already a example of what i'm saying). But hey, if you want to be lazy and simplify it to "oh he's just stupid" go right ahead.

EDIT: Now all this is extremely fascinating...but lets put this thread back to the G Force discussion and if you seriously want to continue why dont you just make a sociology thread and I'll be happy to join in.

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Quote from Forbin :

Sounds like you just need smarter, less judgemental, less angsty friends.

I dont know what is with you and you insisting that people not making common sense connections are stupid. But w/e i guess If you want to mistake extreme apathy with stupidity than that's your business.

Also...meet people that are not judgmental? Here in the east coast? Among Ivy Leagues and "intellectuals"? HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA good one

Not really sure if you have noticed or not but our generation (teens and very early adulthood) is very narcissistic. Which inherently makes us very "stupid" about things to try (key word: try) to be funny, edgy, and or intelligent (i.e. DUH ANY RETARD CAN RACE OVALS DUH)

Heck...I've even met someone who stated that "racing is as important as Hannah Montana". (And yes he was an fundamentalist environmentalist and he was trying to be funny). I'm NOT making that up. Pissed the hell out of me. I mean nvm the large amounts of technology that was pushed and developed from motorsports :rolleyes: Common sense missing in that statement? Yeah...does that belief make him stupid? Not necessarily. He could be apathetic to the point where he doesnt care to apply logic or learn more about that subject. I mean how many times have you tried to explain something to someone and their response was "I dont care"? Happens quite often where I'm at talking to other members of my generation (key words members of MY GENERATION. The older generation might be completely different)

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Quote from JackDaMaster :

GUESS WHAT GUYS

http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/81849

MILKA IS BACK

GOD HELP US

Graham Rahal and Robert Doornbos both are out of a ride for this year....HOW DID MILKA BEAT THOSE TWO TO THE RIDE!!!!!????

Quote from tristancliffe :

As in an RSI style injury? Sure - playing the piano, in terms of physical stance and movement, is very similar to typing on a computer. I've only fiddled with pianos now and again, and it seems quite obvious to me that using them 'wrong' could result in a form of injury.

Actually in terms of physical stance and movement it's very different from typing on the keyboard. Especially since touch matters so much on the piano that it requires a completely different mechanic while they keyboard is simple to the point where everyone's typing is relatively the same.

Watch Glenn Gould then watch Arthur Rubinstein and you'll see the difference.

But this is a fantastic example. The fact that you already compared typing to playing the piano just because both require you hitting the keys is such rudimentary thinking. Does it mean you are stupid? No. It just means you dont really care.

Here's another article that covers the simple differences between typing and playing. http://carolhung.com/2009/03/2 ... ng-piano-or-typing-piano/

Quote from tristancliffe :

The point is that an understanding maths and science will enhance your enjoyment of everyday life. It will enhance your safety on the road (e.g. understanding how objects accelerate, decelerate, change direction, or how parallax works etc). It will make you enjoy the wonder of a "maple 'helicopter' seed" falling to the floor. You'll enjoy motorsport more. You'll be able to hang your washing out more efficiently. Just knowing that liquids are, essentially, imcompressible will make you better at braking. And the best thing is, with an understanding of these things even at the 12 year old school level, you don't actually have to apply any effort. It'll be pretty obvious. And you'll want to learn more (e.g. see something that seems interesting, and you'll look it up or research it - or, as the current generation seem to do, just go on Wikimadeitupedia). The world is a magical place, but even more so when you have the faintest idea why or what's causing what you see.

That's all well and good but our generation is already wired to not make "common sense" connections if we have no interest in the subject. There are millions of people who couldn't care less about motorsports or how a car works and thus very basic and simple concept will elude them about this subject. In fact, I know some who are deliberately ignorant about it because they believe motorsports are harmful.

Fact is, yes, it's pretty obvious. But when you are apathetic to oblivion you even ignore the obvious. Again...apathy defines out generation

(of course...this could just be the people I'm around...but I've known some people outside of the states that act the exact same way)

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