But see? that's pretty midfield. I'm not talking about midfield. I'm talking about backmarkers or people who have completely FUBARed their race. Have you ever wondered why there are sometimes random retirements at the back end of the field? I remember a V8 race with 4 retirements in 1 lap (all last of course) without so much as an accident or any mention of engine problems.
Indeed why dont they?
F1 doesnt remove points for DNFs and only the top 6 get points. Hamilton had a pretty good car, it showed in pre-race. So...he race and car was basically ruined but the engine and gearbox wasn't. The more he stays on the track the more there's the potential to ruin the car furthur.
If he finished last 1 lap down or finished 7th it really doesn't make a difference does it? I mean, fight and put strain on your engine and end up 7th....OR retire, save the enging and come to the next round with a very good car that might give him the podium if not the win.....
Sensible...simple...
That was then, this is now.
That is a matter or opinion but the fact is...the rule is in place and this is how F1 is to operate...Of course I'm not saying I like this. I always get irritated when guys show up in NASCAR and just drive 2 laps and retire. But unfortunately that's just how some people operate and the current situation states that this action may even be beneficial. You cant deny that.
There's a difference between not wanting to win and being realistic. I remember Kimi had said that Ferrarri doesnt have a chance at a win and a podium is realistic. Do you consider this defeatism? What do you tell Toro Rosso or Force India? Should everyone be given the "motivational" speech that maybe JUST MAYBE if you believe in yourself then you might overcome Brawn and Red Bull and get a win?
No...each team fights to better for it's own circumstance. It is NEVER to fight for a win or sometimes even fighting the guy in front of you. It's always to better the circumstance anyway possible. If that means to retire to save the engines? Then so be it. It's boring for the spectators to see. But it is the sensable thing to do.
No one is saying he deserves respect for wanting to call it a day. But all we are saying is that it isn't necessarily a reason to bash.
This argument is pretty hilarious. The phrase "giving up" has a bad connotation to it HOWEVER, it really is pretty much calling it a day. But why is that exactly a bad thing
Should an overly determined driver always be a better driver? I certainly dont think so. Sure a good driver as a well motivated driver. But if your race is absolutely FUBAR then i see absolutely no reason why anyone should go on an all out kamikaze run trying desperately to catch some places.
Racing is trauma to the car. Something most people forget. Driving absolutely as fast as possible, breaking as late as possible, jerking the car back and forth around a very intense and technically challenging track.
I can understand the contempt if Hamilton was second and he just said "aww screw it, let's park it." I can understand the contempt if Hamilton wanted to park it while in 7th place. But Hamilton wanted to park it after his race was FUBAR. Save the engine, save the gearbox and remove the possibility that a puncture or a crash can ruin the car. Why the hell is that so bad?
Apparantly, every F1 driver should drive like they are fighting for the lead? I've seen backmarkers is ALL motorsport who parks it when their race wasn't going anywhere. I've seen it in NASCAR, WTCC, V8 and Indy. But, oh nooooo.....god forbids that F1 has any drivers who wants to think ahead and possibly have the best car into the next round. :rolleyes:
Besides, the Hamilton's only shot at getting even close to a points finish was a massive pile up in F1...I'll let that speak for itself.
Maybe you saw more than me (not sarcastic, I wasn't watching intently). But I didn't see Hamilton do any antics or "bored driving" which i HAVE seen people do before. The fact that he wanted to park it is absolutely no reason to bash him (read above post). HOWEVER, if he was making an arse of himself and throwing a tantrum cause the team told him to stay on the track. Then there's cause for the contempt.
I didn't see it. I only saw someone who wasn't interested...so what? A FUBAR race will do that to you It's true in any other top category motorsports or motorsports in general and F1 is no exception
Now...I know that Formula 1 had a LOT of Japanese drivers. I also do know that F1 had only 2 non-Japanese asian drivers. Prince Bira (Thailand, 1950) and Alex Yoong (Malaysia, 2002).
I would like to know who was the most successful asian driver to date? Takuma Sato?
Actually, what's slightly more important to me is the place during quali. If you have a ticker that shows the live positions along with the live gap times (like 8th, 9th, 8th, 8th) I would be happy even with the large gaps between the tracks.
Although if it is possible to tighten it up I would of course prefer it to be tighter. but the live positions is what I'm actually aiming for
Thought it'll be good to have a driver check thread for those who would like some specific information on a driver (or an obscure driver) that google or wikipedia might not be of help...So a thread where you can ask a question about any driver from any discipline of motorsports and, with the wide array of motorsport fans here, hopefully all inquiries will be answered
Now...on to the real reason why I created this thread
Before I go quoting everything, I would like to get a confirmation on Terry Labonte. NASCAR legend I believe.
Labonte has won the 12h of Sebring and 24h of Daytona. I searched the sebring and daytona endu wiki pages and could not find Terry's name. I also looked at the Rolex/ALMS sites but they weren't very helpful either.
This is almost exactly what I had in my mind as well.
Can someone please create this live gap timing? It doesnt need to be anything fancy just some stats that display when you are driving (or spectating someone) that shows where you are in regards to the qualifying field on the track.
Idk about that, I mean Meira fractured a vertebre in a hard crash at Indy. Had the contact been much worse the results would have been disasterious. But if ur only talking about circuit racing then probably...ya
Well, we already have F1 style scoring as well as other various F1 tickers.
I was wondering, if a NASCAR qualifying ticker would be viable to create? I realize it would be very hard however, if anyone can create this insim I would greatly appreciate it. Plus it'll be really cool to have and analyze.