Absolutely fantastic work. And at an difficult Bristol venture nonetheless.While I'm not complaining. Seeing a new tire model is always welcome...
But curious...will the aero and damage model be improved as well with the next patch?
But curious...will the aero and damage model be improved as well with the next patch?
Too short of a notice for everyone tbh. Right now, all we can ask is for everyone to practice.
You can host a small race here and there if you want
Test Race is canceled (unless Sidious and Burner wants to host a small race themselves).
Marcroft and Rinne both needs to do 150 laps on FE3 before the Qualifying day
Marcroft and Rinne both needs to do 150 laps on FE3 before the Qualifying day
Whoops that's a mistake.
All-Star Race is on the regular Oval
Look at Shootout the History Channel game. Most realistic shooter I've ever played and one of the more intense. CoD4 is realistic among the hoards of shooter games out there (just look at Solder Front and GunZ).
Why does something need to be an anal sim to be serious? Is it so hard for you to accept that the developers of GRID intended the game to be a serious racing game unlike games like Drift City or Need for Speed? Race On, Superstar V8, and Xpand Rally were all serious games without being an anal sim.
Yes, it wants to be exciting. But it wants to be exciting through various means including adding the option of driving it in simulator mode or not. Having spectacular graphics as well as having it "realistic". Well it failed in the realistic department. I mean come on. Race On, and Superstar V8 was a better game. More realistic while matching it on everything else. Thus GRID isn't a very good game mainly because they failed in the realistic department while trying to make the game look as "Hollywood" as possible.
Why is it so bad to consider that a negative? I've known games that were considered crap for far less (Exteel, Runes of Magic, Hegemonia).
As far as exciting...yeh, the effects were cool. So what? That's alone is not going to make a game interesting. If that does for you...well....good for you...then there are a lot of games that can satisfy you. For a hardcore gamer like me who's played almost everything that came out...effects kinda bore me now. Cause it really is all the same from game to game unless a game offers something more substantial (story, gameplay, realism (especially in racing games), etc).
Why is it that once you are on the internet, it is suddenly ok to basically troll your brains out?
Why is causing grief or acting like an ass on the internet suddenly ok?
Does the internet have to be some fantasy land where the bullied all of a sudden can be the bullies? Why do people get the urge to be intentionally dense on the internet?:rolleyes:
Now that's quite the achievement
Why does someone have to be recognized in Europe in order to be considered "talented"? Of course, in the world of open wheel motorsports, Europe is the center, but is that necessarily the case with closed wheel racing? Touring Car/GT/Stock Car are quite fairly spread out. Besides the 24h of Le Mans, you have V8 SuperCar in Australia. One of the premier series in the world. 12h of Sebring, and 24h of Daytona in American. Dont forget Rolex Sports can and ALMS in North America. So, since so many "talented" people have made their mark in other places besides Europe...why should they bother to go over? For the sake or recognition from Europeans? Does everyone (including Asia) needs "Europe's seal of approval" to be considered talented?
12h of Sebring, 24h of Daytona...premier events. Why shouldn't they be considered talented? Why do they have to go to Europe and "prove" themselves there in order to be considered talented?
Piquet Jr might have shined in another team and probably a more supportive team. No one drive in F1 can really fully determine talent due to so many factors BESIDES the driver (car, team, management, etc). Only real incidator of talent is if a driver takes the worst car on the grid and brings it to a win (Vettel). But besides that, how would you judge talent? Look at Zanardi, are you going to say Zanardi has no talent?
But they aren't going a step down. You've just won V8 Supercar. ONE OF THE PREMIER CLOSED WHEEL SERIES. Ur basically top of the world in terms of closed wheel. So, what do you do? You hop over to other premier series in closed wheel racing. They aren't "talking a step" down and they aren't necessarily futhuring their careers. But when you are at the top of the world (in terms of closed wheel) with V8 Supercar there isn't anywhere you can go except more premier closed wheel series.
In case you dont know...Ambrose and Wincup are from Australia where 90% of their fans are V8 Supercar fans and watch Australian motorsports. Why on earth would they want to come to NASCAR if they wanted to "appeal to NASCAR's level of fanbase." Quite frankly, before Ambrose and Wincup's interest in NASCAR, Australia couldn't give a rat's ass about NASCAR. In fact, Ambrose got flamed for it before he started to do fairly well.
Exactly how many fans does Lally, Pilgrim, and Pilet has? Despite all three being very talented in NA premier GT events and series? Pilgrim is English, and Pilet is French. I dont think both sides of the world (NASCAR or not) really care if they crossover or not. There's no incentive for them to come to NASCAR except their own. Money might help, but they can get that else where too.
The "typical" NASCAR fanbase wants to see american stock car drivers in stock car series. They do not want to see any crossovers so the idea that people crossover is already laughable to them (doesn't help that not one as done well except Tony Stewart). Yes...ok, lots of things in NASCAR are for a show. But the drivers wanting to crossover isn't one. This isn't a reality show. No one can really make these top tier closed wheel drivers interested in NASCAR, especially if they have to travel all the way from Australia or Europe and live in the US to compete.
So, why do you consider closed wheel racing to be on a "lower level" to open wheel?
1. Dont know what you're implying
2. Yes, US...u know...where Yale, Harvard, Rice, and Juliard are located? :rolleyes:
3. You didn't answer my question
I was on my phone, thought it's best to just wait until i get a comp to reply.
Except Failure himself wasn't the OP (i'm not even sure if he posted here regarding his "achievement"). It's about someone else, thinking it's a good achievement and congradulating him. What's so bad about that? And how is that related to ovals? He's known to drive ovals. Ya, that's the only connection to ovals this thread has. If you actually know him, he hangs a lot in FOX junkies so he hardly just spends his whole day doing ovals.
The connection to ovals is superficial. This is not a tread debating the legitimacy of ovals...clear and simple.
If you have that attitude, they why even bait in the first place? In an thread superficially related to ovals for that matter?
1. I dont think ovals is necessarily "better" than circuits. They are more entertaining to watch for me though.
2. I'm defending ovals because I do not think they are crap? You go on the opposite extreme to say they are a complete waste of tarmac, time and talent. I'm not really that extreme in my opinion. I dont really love ovals all that much. But your opinion is extreme.
Have you ever truly watched NASCAR? (Daytona, Talladega) Or IndyCars at Chicagoland? Have you ever participated in any oval sim events? Have you gotten close to wrs on the oval (if they take no skill or talent, then it shouldn't be a problem at all right?...)
WHAT? Hardly, it's about an achievement that someone did (posted by someone else besides the person who did the achievement no less). Whether or not you consider that achievement valid is immaterial. This thread is about that achievement. Pure and simple. The oval connection is superficial, the guy likes ovals. But he spends a LOT of his time on FOX Junkies as well.
This is not a thread about the validity of oval racing...in fact, this isn't a thread about ovals at all. It's all you starting a wise crack at ovals that seemed unwarranted. Did the thread say "I think ovals require skill or I think ovals dont require skill"? I think not. In fact, the OP clearly states "I dont care if he's an oval racer". Which means this thread wasn't intended to be about ovals in the first place.
I agree, ARCA has better racing
Merely expressing an opinion and baiting an entire group of people is two different things. You didn't really come here to discuss ovals in a thread that's superficially related to ovals (as explained twice above).
I dont go in F1 threads to bait with F1 being boring (especially Monaco, Valencia and Hungaroring races). I dont purposely lower my IQ and troll OMG BUTTON WINS AGAIN HOW EXCITING. I once in a while express my absolute bordom when watching F1, but I always give way to people who might feel different and listen to them.
See the difference?
Actually he has in a sim. Bob's NASCAR and I-SCAR mod. Very realistic to the actual thing and as realistic as LFS can make it.
Why do you feel they dont deserve respect? Are you arrogant enough to believe that just because you have real life racing experience that you are automatically better or smarter than NASCAR drivers? Even if I go racing in real life, even if I make it to the top tier in Touring car or GT motorsports, I'll never have the arrogance to self-delude myself in thinking that I am better than NASCAR drivers. What makes you or me better than them? The fact that they drive NASCAR? Pffft, and what makes me (and u) so better that I can just arbitrarily judge them on what limited knowledge I have.
No, but that's related to your conduct on forums, not necessarily what you drive or like. It's really immaterial on what someone likes or dislikes about the person actually. Everything is conduct
So...if people dont respect you, you just stick the middle finger and walk away and blame them for their lack or respect? Gees, that sounds like some 13 year old lowly educated emo punks that I use to see often in my old high school. "It's not my fault people hate me, it's their fault. Why should I give anyone respect when the whole world hates me? It doesnt matter as long as I'm treated right" :rolleyes:...sure...and we'll see what Fraud has to say about that.
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Tim that's not completey true. Due to more than half of the team going on vacation when Williams joined, he eventually felt that he wasn't going anywhere with us. So we have a chat and he wanted to try out srlt but still remain in clockwork if he wasn't accepted.
I apologize if this is a problem forbyou srlt as I figured he would have told u he was still with us.
As for clockwork, there should be posts about this in our forums
Please...playing victim here? Really? Really Tristan? That's quite some depths you sank to. You want to express you horribly ignorant and biased opinions about ovals? Fine go do it in a thread about ovals. Better yet, go do it in a thread that specfically addresses that.
But baiting with oval bashing in a thread that's remotely connected ovals...gee and ur not forcing ur opinions on other people. :rolleyes:
Hilarious keep it up this just keep getting better. You make great entertainment.
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1. I can name two right now. Marcos Ambrose and Jamie Wincup. Ambrose absolutely dominated in V8 Supercar and came over basically right after that. Wincup is dominating now and wanted to come over. What about Scott Pruet who dominated US GT racing? Max Papis who also was a Rolex Champ as well as 12h of Sebring champ. Retirement? Pffft. What are u smoking? Christian fittipaldi was quite serious about coming over as well. He even commited by moving to the US back when he had a go. If you think the frustration depicted by crossovers, especially those of Al Unser Jr, villeneuve, AJ Allmendinger, Andrew Ranger, Scott Speed, Hideo Fukuyama, Patrick Carpentier, and MANY others as a sign that they are just lollying their way around NASCAR then you lack serious cognitive reasoning.
I haven't known a single crossover driver who walked away from NASCAR thinking it was a waste of time and talent. In fact, the response is always either they want to go back for more or they realize they are over their head and went back to open wheel or GT. Emerson fittipaldi was impressed by NASCAR from just watching.
2. Exactly, not much emphasis on drivers.... Oooohhh such a good indicator.
3. Don't kid yourself. If no one wanted to go to nascar, then NASCAR would either still be filled with random no name locals or be completely defunct period. Villeneuve, after that humiliating daytona quali crash wants to do well in NASCAR. I've already states that Wincup wants to come over as well. Mika Salo, coulthard and hamilon are all interested in tests (and salo is talking to teams ATM). Important gt drivers. Lally, Pilet, Pilgrim. All wants to come over. Are you saying that GT drivers are nobodies?
Drivers also flock to 24h of Le Mans and gt racing in what you would call "retirement mode". So Le Mans, touring car and GT aren't as important by that logic as crossovers and f1 rejects tend to do well there and not one has done well in NASCAR?
Really...and who exactly did you listen to that made you feel like they were dumb? Ryan Newman has a degree from Purdue. Brendan Gaughn graduated from Georgetown...
Hilarious statement Tristan ur really making my day keep it up LOL
Hey your the one who baited (in a thread unrelated to ovals at that....low even for u tristan). Don't start crying and pointing fingers if you end up in a messy argument. It's fun seeing u justify urself. Keep it up Tristan, ur definitely making the Internet a better place.
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We know this, so? What's your point? Why do you have to force your opinion on us? Do we have to share your opinion? Are you arrogant enough to believe that your opinion of "what motorsports should be" is the law of the universe?
So...you consider NASCAR drivers shit despite the fact that no cross over from any other series including F1 has done well in NASCAR. (except Tony Stewart who came from IRL). Regarding perfection, the field in NASCAR and most IRL qualifying is generally separated by 1.5 seconds. The Kyoto 500 event in LFS was separated by merely .06 second. I gawp at the sheer intensity and perfection of these drivers to handle the oval so well that they can be that close to each other. Where one wayward slide, one tiny misentry, ONE ERRANT TWITCH will give you a big fat DNQ. I gawp the sheer mental strength of being in that kind of pressure yet hitting all the right marks on the oval. I gawp at the drivers ability to keep their cool while maintaining constant 2 wide, 3 wide, and 4 wide racing. Beating and banging right down to the last few meters to give us a .003 second photo finish. That's what's exhilerating, and that's what circuits are generally missing. What...Do you think all those close times and constant side by side battles were random?
You said NASCAR drivers are dumb. The stereotype is that NASCAR drivers are from the Southern United States and they are generally stereotyped as hillbillies. In 2008, out of 50+ drivers only 20 are from the south.
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Maybe you can explain to me exactly how finish margins under 1 second is no action? And how 15 second margins are exciting with no overtaking? *yawn*
Maybe the "drivers being stupid" argument is directed towards Americans as NASCAR isn't exactly a "southern" sport anymore? You calling Americans stupid?
And this is a based of...
While my comment had a lot of basis observing your horrendous conduct.
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Probably not your strong suit tristan...but think.
You just generalized NASCAR with 1 race. I did the same to F1 with 1 monaco race.
Sure, it's much better than watching whinny sissy boys with heads a million times larger than their family jewels play follow the leader with 15 minute margins between each car. Who knows, maybe F1 drivers might stop acting like scared little girls who wince at every minor contact after the set foot in a muscular stock car...
Does it read like I'm angry? Sorry, I'm not angry at you or anyone else.
Ok...
First:
That sounds serious enough to me.
Also, while I admit that they did say they were going "away from their simulation roots", but "they planned on still incorporating simulation elements like being able to drive without aids." Frankly, GRID without driving aids is still way too easy. It still feels arcadish without the aids.
Second:
Example: Second Life is supposedly a serious "life" game. And yet I can choose names like GossipGirl.
Just because a game allows you to be immature, doesn't mean it was originally intended to be light hearted.
I dont believe I have ever said Need for Speed was absolute crap (correct me if I'm wrong). I dont like Need for Speed, but not really because it's highly unrealistic, but more of that they over glorify street racing.
So, while I admit Need for Speed games are sometimes really good for its purposes. Trackmania Nations is also highly unrealistic, and yet I love trackmania and play it often.
GRID wasnt originally intended to be a light hearted arcade racing game like Need for Speed. It was intended to be somewhat similar to Race On, Superstar V8, or Xpand Rally.
It's better than Xpand Rally, but it is still quite unrealistic compared to even Race On or Superstar V8. So, while calling it crap might be an exaggeration on my part. I'm still going to consider it's disregard for realistic physics in favor of spectacular effects as a negative.
Years of watching Motorsports and researching them. I have no hands on experience per say but me watching them for years is good enough. U'd be surprised the amount of people who cant even remotely comprehend why they cant even get through T1 in a Seat when they are...and I quote "Doing 200 mph no problem in a NFS Zonda".
Most of the people (that I know) have never even heard of F1.
Funny story, I was practicing the FO8 at Kyoto National, a friend came in, got curious and took over my G25. he couldn't even get out of the pits without spinning out and I quote "OMG WHY IS IT DOING THAT? WHAT THE F&$%? WHY IS IT DOING THAT, IS IT SUPPOSE TO DO THAT?"
:rolleyes:
Typical ignorance for an arcade racer player and, unfortunately, the majority of the people who play racing games.
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See...it's not that absolute. It's circumstantial to game genre, and intentions. Is CoD4 as realistic as it could possibly be? Of course not. But if you compare CoD4 to other (crappier) shooter games like...GunZ Online, then CoD4 is amazingly realistic. GunZ Online has a wonderful contact detection engine and a reasonable net code. Yet the game isn't considered good purely because I can unload an entire machine gun clip into an opponent and the opponent will still have more than half of his health.
The general online consensus is that CoD4 is better than GunZ because GunZ is unrealistic to the point of hilarity (which is why some ppl play the game avidly).
Games almost always push for more realism and using realism to judge a game isn't a bad thing. Why do you suppose all the game makers try to add "realism" to their games such as stamina, gun jamming (Operation 7), or blood spatter.
If realism in video games doesn't matter, then people wouldn't bother with all those extra features.
The racing genre has a higher standard towards realism (but again, this depends on the intentions of the creators). NFS was never intended to be realistic and only serve to bring the tuner/street racing culture to the audience. The interface wasn't bad and it was never overly complicated or confusing. While GRID (and the entire ToCA series) did intend to be a serious racing game about professional racing. Well, in that aspect it didn't do it's job.
Realism shouldn't be the overwhelming factor in judging a game. Yes, I agree. But in racing games realism holds much more weight (to me).
I completely missed the apex of a hairpin and my time was only .30 seconds more. I overshoot the racing line and all i need to do is hard brake to get back on (LOL). While racecraft IS somewhat present. It is too superficial for me to enjoy the game. This is due to me having an higher knowledge and more experience with professional racing. I'm sorry if that makes me a snob for expressing my discontent but it doesnt change the fact that GRID is highly unrealistic. And complaining that people shouldn't bash GRID for being highly unrealistic is unwarranted tbh unless GRID has a far superior netcode, interface, physics, etc to LFS.
The only thing that GRID has over LFS is that GRID's graphics and effects are spectacular and it has better AI (but LFS was never intended to be an offline game). But as I've said before, spectacular graphics and effects will not hold a serious racing game to me. If it does to you, fine...I guess you enjoy special effects a lot then. But cry foul when others dont agree with you and want something more substancial than graphics.
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I knew there was a reason why Derek Daly was invited to commentate for American GT races
Fixed
The fallacy of over generalization for the win.
See...once something ridiculous like that happens then it's not fun any more. Are you that easily wowed by special effects that u'll start to completely ignore the game's horrible mechanics?
For a racer, to have fun, the elements of racing have to be there. Once I can put my wheels on the grass and not have to worry about spinning out instantly, then it becomes easy. And once it becomes easy it becomes boring. Such as completely missing my apex without any real consequences. That's boring.
Unless a game's purpose isn't to bring to it's audience a sense of racecraft (like NFS or Wipeout). But games like GRID does try to bring "racing" to it's audience. So if I don't see any elements of racecraft being implemeted, the superficial special effects aren't going to carry a serious racing game alone.
LFS has bloom, good enough already to satisfy the graphics maniacs tbh.
Making a 600+ hp car to handle atleast remotely like a 600+ hp car? Having severe consequences for missing the apex or going off on the grass? Is this really too much to ask? Or are the arcadish game developers (and its subsequent fans) just too lazy to make their "racing experience" more true to the actual experience? I think arcadish games like GRID is where most ppl get their misconceptions about professional racing.
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What is it about ovals that instantly lowers more than half of the motorsports community's IQ by 100 :rolleyes:
Kyoto Oval is one of the worst ovals I've ever driven on...seriously, the track is a pissing hatchet job.
1. Not enough banking
2. Uneven turns (especially that freak of a T3)
3. Too small to be a superspeedway, and too large to be an intermediate.
The result? Boring. Bring in a proper oval like Darlington, Daytona or Talladega then we'll be talking. Besides then? Well...oval racing in LFS with be horribly boring (unless that I-SCAR stock car mod can make a difference)
I've always found overtaking on circuits to be both exhilerating and boring at once. It's usually at the same corners that people pass (unless someone makes a mistake or noobs are racing against pros), and it's almost always about outbraking someone. Beyond that, it's all follow the leader and out hotlapping someone (which is fun in it's own way I guess :shrug
Yeh, fun in technical corners. But I'd prefer to have a constant overtaking opportunities that you would ONLY get on the oval thank you very much
Just a personal taste. Want to burn me for it? Go ahead, not like any amount of neanderthal insults is really going to make your arguments more valid. (And I have yet to hear a valid, intelligent, and objective argument against ovals)
Since when is oval racing about shoving people out of the way?
Yes...I bet more than half of the oval bashers cant even completely a single lap in a giant pack without screwing up. (Emphasis on giant pack instead of hotlapping). Would explain why the Kyoto 500 practice sessions are always a massive fail.
Meh, tristan will be tristan, whether or not he will be intentioanlly dense is completely up to him.
Kyoto Oval is one of the worst ovals I've ever driven on...seriously, the track is a pissing hatchet job.
1. Not enough banking
2. Uneven turns (especially that freak of a T3)
3. Too small to be a superspeedway, and too large to be an intermediate.
The result? Boring. Bring in a proper oval like Darlington, Daytona or Talladega then we'll be talking. Besides then? Well...oval racing in LFS with be horribly boring (unless that I-SCAR stock car mod can make a difference)
I've always found overtaking on circuits to be both exhilerating and boring at once. It's usually at the same corners that people pass (unless someone makes a mistake or noobs are racing against pros), and it's almost always about outbraking someone. Beyond that, it's all follow the leader and out hotlapping someone (which is fun in it's own way I guess :shrug
Yeh, fun in technical corners. But I'd prefer to have a constant overtaking opportunities that you would ONLY get on the oval thank you very much
Just a personal taste. Want to burn me for it? Go ahead, not like any amount of neanderthal insults is really going to make your arguments more valid. (And I have yet to hear a valid, intelligent, and objective argument against ovals)
Since when is oval racing about shoving people out of the way?
Yes...I bet more than half of the oval bashers cant even completely a single lap in a giant pack without screwing up. (Emphasis on giant pack instead of hotlapping). Would explain why the Kyoto 500 practice sessions are always a massive fail.
Meh, tristan will be tristan, whether or not he will be intentioanlly dense is completely up to him.
Congrats to Bräck for beating Pastrana. Indy 500 champ takes the X-Games RallyX gold WOOT
After watching the NASCAR Canadian series at the 1/10 mile short tracks i suddenly got the urge to go short track racing
I'm very interesting
I'm very interesting
Formula short track racing...something i haven't experienced yet in LFS or any other sims for that matter...
Cant wait for this, hope we get a good size field
Cant wait for this, hope we get a good size field
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