No problems here with you postponing it it's done when it's done - just ask my wife in regards to our house being renovated better to do it right than release it in a fashion your not proud of.

I am always just as keen to get ongoing insights into development direction than the content itself. So to hear about your intentions with the setup's etc are a present in itself

Have a good xmas and I look forward to the new year (gives me more time to finish the renovations anyway :razz

Quote from Mattesa :

it certainly makes things easier.

I'm still out on this one it may help in some car/track combos. I just did an hour or so around a South city track in the RB4 (not a car I drive much) and tried with both ABS and no ABS and have to say that I felt like the car handled better near the limit without ABS, but that maybe is in part to it being a 4WD and/or the setup.

LFS is many things to many people back in S1 days all we had was road cars and that is where my love of racing still lies. I don't care for downforce race cars at all, not even in the slightest.
Some love the GTR's and SS that's great and imo you have been given a lot of content in those classes in the last few years. So why begrudge another road car in the mix? If you don't like it, no one forces you to drive it, just like I'm not forced to drive the BF1 or the FBM
To say that only drivers that aspire to race those faster cars are the true race drivers and everyone else is not serrious is rubbish. People have even been known to race lawnmowers, tractors, truck, utes and just about anything else with a motor racing is about the spirit of competition and has little to do with what you are actually racing. But I'm an old fart that finds grass roots motor sports more interesting than the glitz and glamour of the commercial juggernauts
My point is that just because you have a particular view of what racing should be doesn't mean it's the only valid view, and there is no reason why LFS can't fit many different levels of racing. Which if irc is what Scawen has stated is one of their goals

Quote from danowat :

I can see the bigger picture

That's not fair! why do you get to see a bigger picture than me

I would add a big long speal about how some of the not so fast cars in LFS currently offer very good racing and that in LFS speed and power are irrelevant as you don't get the same sense of speed as irl and that the slower cars aren't as demanding on your net connection and so allow closer better racing when racing people from all over the world and ... I could go on but this topic is yawn

Quote from Demon68 :

sorry I didn't want to offend anyone, but in real life every racedriver want's to procede to a faster race class if he get's the change.
the ultimed goal always is the F1.

You didn't offend I just wanted to state an alternative view.

You say every racedriver, well I beg to differ. Irl alot of race drivers aspire to progress as high as possible, but that has more to do with fame and fortune than it has to do with racing. I am damn sure that is not the driving motivation of all race drivers though

In LFS we have the opportunity to race for enjoyment and passion so that doesn't automatically mean I want to progress to the GTRs, F08 or F1. Infact I have always recieved alot enjoyment out of racing the uf1, xfg or xrg. I get the most enjoyment out of the lx6, rac and fz5.

So to insinuate changes made to the slower cars are unimportant as all serious drivers want be driving them is way off base.

And as to a car is never fast enough, my take on it is - striaght line speed is irrelevant; it's how quickly you can go around corners that matters

I think both the posts quoted below are very valid.

Quote from gohfeld23 :

As LFS is a SIM (simulated real life vehicle physics, racing, etc) and ABS is part of real life, it's quite logical for ABS to be included.
LFS is NOT a personal e-dick extender and as such should not be limited to hotlappers who perfected the track.

LFS is all about close racing, at least to a vast majority of people. If someone who just started racing has the ability to give me the closest race of a lifetime, so be it. I welcome it with open arms, regardless whether ABS helped them. We all have the same tools at our disposal.

Leagues should have the ability to force ABS off for logical reasons, however it would be a shame if the majority of servers forced it off.
And if added features make LFS more inviting to a wider crowd of "gamers" by making it more accessible, how could one possibly dislike that?

It's not about who finishes first. It's about the ride IMO

Quote from plehto :

Yes, road cars do have abs for safety reasons. But abs is prohibited in almost all racing. So choose your poison, which realism is the one we want to go after? A super safe volvo or a race car, i know which one is my choise. Take the mainstreaming approach and you'll have a console game in your hands. Not really challenging, easy to learn, loss of interest in a couple of months.
Also the idea of abs is to maintain steering, not to shorten braking distances. In many cases braking distance with abs is longer compared to locked tyres.

The suggestion of making abs response rate slower and making the brake pressure release greater/longer sound like viable options. As said in my previous post, right now it takes ~0.02s for the system to release brake pressure making the abs system work at around 50Hz. From googling i found results varying from 15 up to 20Hz.

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To say experienced drivers wouldn't choose to drive the slower cars is totally incorect and even bordering on arrogant imo. I choose to drive most of the time in road cars, it's a choice that has nothing to do with experience, competitiveness or the size of my epenis

Quote from 1303s_vortech :

The real car has wide torque & power bands (e.g. power is available from 5100 to 6000 rpm)...

I would have never called that a wide power band is it a typo?

Quote from Scawen :

I don't think "Uximura" has only played the demo

Smells of the one featured in Todd's avtar

lol that actually made me laugh Bob

Quote from Bob Smith :

15 psi looks far more fun around the racetrack.

can you imagine 1st corner chaos with everyone running 15 psi - tyres poping off rims, cars flying

Interesting vid - although its an extreme example it does show very clearly that under inflated tyres give much worse performance than tyres in the correct pressure range. Thanks for posting it

Quote from danowat :

standard fit "LFS-Handling-Adjustment-Pack" = infinately adjustable setup options

Damn it's not often sarcasim is lost on me but that one got clean past :tired: I must be really tired

Quote from danowat :

LFS has, currently, infinite setup options on things that wouldn't be possible to have on something like the VW, this is something that a few people (myself included) would like to see removed, and have setup options that reflect the real life options that these cars would have.

oh yeah I would like to see that too and I understood that to be what sinbad was saying, it's just the [standard fit "LFS-Handling-Adjustment-Pack"?] part of it threw me I thought he was refering to something that has been said somewhere on the vast forum interwebs that I had missed or something

Quote from danowat :

Do you really need to ask?

You understood the question cause it was double dutch to me

Quote from J.B. :

...it will be interesting to see what effect the VW data support will have on the handling. Judging by the video it could be the new reference for road car sim physics. In fact I wonder if tyres have been worked on in general.

The video doesn't give away too much in that regard (does look good through the cones though), I like you await with interest

Quote from farcar :

Yay! A new patch before Xmas!

Quote from rc10racer :

Not to sure the Mercury skin suits this car.

Meh Mercury drivers are banned from driving FWD cars anyway

Look forward to testing it and seeing what else is forthcoming - it feels like xmas now

+1

Would also love to see some sort of version tracking so say you are designing a new set which becomes the first version then have an ability to see which settings are changed in subsequent versions - perhaps highlighted in a different color. That along with the comments field and your other suggestions would make it very easy to keep track of changes through the development cycle of a new set.

Happy birthday TDRT! May the racing spirit carry you to greater sucess in the new year

Quote from Riders Motion :

Is that a bad thing that S2 Licensed racers dont visist Demo hosts?

Yes and no. It means more S2 racers now race in S2 all the time, so S2 is more populated. But it also means that some of the older lic players aren't visiting demo servers as much as in the past and therefore aren't creating friendships with new prospective S2 drivers and imo that's one of the significant factors of LFS's sucess is the friendly community. I for one have had the opportunity to get to know a significant number of prominate community members in the demo environement since I've been arround - early '04. Most I know also belive that LFS online S2 user base has actually decreased over the last year or two in countries outside europe, perhaps this can be attributed at least in part to what nesrulz discribes - but I don't know...

Last edited by Glenn67, Wed 10 Dec 2008, 03:46.

Each to there own I say I persnally have never touched the stuff along with never smoked and only started to drink very moderately once I hit 40

I blame Void

Shift + F8

Quote from Gunn :

Scary stuff men. Even in jest it's scary. :eek:

You had to be there It was abit like Tristan's infamous thread which is now also way out of context but still gets bumped continually

I struggle to type anything while driving the best I can do is a smile when I think it's a racing incident and a sorry bind when I think it's my fault. And if I wait to the end of the race I invariably have forgoten who I have had the incident with I'd even go so far as to say that if your trying to drive and type your posing a futher greater hazard than the one you may have caused Anyway that is what TS is for hands free chat while you drive