http://www.lfsforum.net/showthread.php?t=49055
That's the other thread that was recently posted.
I'll also add that I don't believe gold is the safe haven that it once was, these days I look at it just as another commodity.
If your investing in something it is good to get a bit more history on it than just the last couple of years. I remember back in 2002-2003 when gold was hitting 180 an ounce and everyone believed gold was brocken and would never recover to it's glory days. Well they were proved wrong as from that time until now it has had a great run. I find it interesting though that it has found strength along with all the other resources and imo is much more closely linked to it's value as a resource than any percieved value as 'safe haven'. So I would not be suprised to see its value drop along with other resourses as the world economy slows.
If I was looking to invest a few hundred to a few thousand pounds at the moment for an investment term of approx five years I'd choose to buy shares in big banks or companies that have had there share price pulverised but the government have steped in and guaranteed their safty. Buy on down days when everyone else is selling. Also if you have several thousand buy in thousnad pound lots each time the stock reaches a new low or approaches it's previous low don't put all your money in in one hit.
The higher the potential reward the higher the precieved risk will be. The trick is understanding risk and learning to minimise it's effects while being positioned for taking andvantage of good rewards. If something looks like a great long term investment then most likely at best it will be a good short term investment. Alternatively if you think something sucks now but believe that it will look good five years down the road it probably will be a good trade short term also.
If everybody is jumping on the band wagon, I'd suggest it's a good time to get off as it is likely to get to a point were it is overloaded and the wheels fall off. Conversely if you see a band wagon that has had a sever crunch but still looks in tact and resonably sound then it probably is a good time to jump on while it is lite and agil as the ride is bound to be much more fun.
Good luck and do thorough research - money doesn't grow on trees you know
That's the other thread that was recently posted.
I'll also add that I don't believe gold is the safe haven that it once was, these days I look at it just as another commodity.
If your investing in something it is good to get a bit more history on it than just the last couple of years. I remember back in 2002-2003 when gold was hitting 180 an ounce and everyone believed gold was brocken and would never recover to it's glory days. Well they were proved wrong as from that time until now it has had a great run. I find it interesting though that it has found strength along with all the other resources and imo is much more closely linked to it's value as a resource than any percieved value as 'safe haven'. So I would not be suprised to see its value drop along with other resourses as the world economy slows.
If I was looking to invest a few hundred to a few thousand pounds at the moment for an investment term of approx five years I'd choose to buy shares in big banks or companies that have had there share price pulverised but the government have steped in and guaranteed their safty. Buy on down days when everyone else is selling. Also if you have several thousand buy in thousnad pound lots each time the stock reaches a new low or approaches it's previous low don't put all your money in in one hit.
The higher the potential reward the higher the precieved risk will be. The trick is understanding risk and learning to minimise it's effects while being positioned for taking andvantage of good rewards. If something looks like a great long term investment then most likely at best it will be a good short term investment. Alternatively if you think something sucks now but believe that it will look good five years down the road it probably will be a good trade short term also.
If everybody is jumping on the band wagon, I'd suggest it's a good time to get off as it is likely to get to a point were it is overloaded and the wheels fall off. Conversely if you see a band wagon that has had a sever crunch but still looks in tact and resonably sound then it probably is a good time to jump on while it is lite and agil as the ride is bound to be much more fun.
Good luck and do thorough research - money doesn't grow on trees you know
Or you make your own with a load cell
If it's an aftermarket imobiliser then it is normally a small black box wired into the ignition switch wiring loom and shoved up under the dash near your steering column. If that's the case it is pretty straight forward to get rid of the imobiliser. Just follow the wires from the imobiliser box and disconnect them from the original wiring harness, they are normaly wired in with quick t connectors so are easy to remove. Also there will be one main original wire that will have been cut in half which you will need to reconnect back together again after you have disconected the wires leading from the imobiliser.
If it was an advantage to do so irl I should imagine it wouldn't be too hard to make an adjustment for max brake pressure. The reality though is irl brakes operate proprotionaly to the pressure you apply rather than by pedal travel as the average LFSer brake operates. I.e. in real life it is much much easier to modulate brake pressure than it is in LFS so there is simply no need for a brake pressure adjustment in a real race car.
Wire a POT in parallel with your brake POT and walla you have live brake pressure adjustment 
I think one of the primary things lacking which effects enduro racing in LFS is better car damage (damage which has knock on effects, like gaurd rubbing against tyre or gravel in air intake) and the lack of tyre damage.
Yes we have tyre wear but irl alot of strategy revolves arround making tyres last. If you try run a qualify set in an enduro irl your tyres will fail premeturely due to stress not wear.
So if tyre damage is a factor the you might go for a more qualify oriented set but do several short stints or go for a more conservative set and stay out longer or even have a mixed stategy throught the race.
Yes we have tyre wear but irl alot of strategy revolves arround making tyres last. If you try run a qualify set in an enduro irl your tyres will fail premeturely due to stress not wear.
So if tyre damage is a factor the you might go for a more qualify oriented set but do several short stints or go for a more conservative set and stay out longer or even have a mixed stategy throught the race.
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chicanes are much tighter imo too.Watched bits an pieces of Bathurst 1000 today, they had alot of problems with tyres delaminating which was put down to a large degree to curb hopping - one curb in particular.
LFS needs tyre damage in conjunctinon with tyre wear to make longer races more interesting.
Also you could noticably see that qualify setups had substantialy more camber then race sets. This again would be to reduce tyre damage and wear. The diference in qualify times to race times was 3 sec a lap which shows how much more conservative the race sets are over qualify sets. I don't believe wear alone is enough to simulate real race conditions irl as tyres get overheated they are much more prone to suffering damage.
And after 100+ laps the amount of marbles and rubish off the racing line was extreme.
Then there is damage...
Oh well I dream of the day these things might be simulated in LFS
Fear is a much stronger motivator than greed! Thankfully though greed has it's way for the majority of the time 
English is a funny langauge, it can be interpreted in so many ways... I personaly don't see where he is suggesting his primary concern is realism
"realistic players" to me indicates he is a fan of racing games and therefore doesn't require 100% realism in his controller choice.I currently use a G25 wheel, before that a momo and before that an xbox controller and I'd have to say that the driving experience with the xbox controller was very good infact if I didn't break the thing I may still be using it
Even MS Flightsim you see a great variation of people that use that sim from full on realism freaks who build their own cockpit replicas to the casual gamer that will use their kb or xbox controller. Why should LFS be any different.
[eidt] Note to self read entire thread before posting :/
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When investing keep a cool head and don't follow the crowd, look for value. When everyone is running scared it is a good time to be looking to buy solid long term investments like property in good locations or bluechip shares in solid companies. Be paitent though and only buy if you can get it at a good price (i.e. below fair value). It's not what you sell something for but what you buy it at that counts the most. Having cash available to buy in times of crisis is a very valuable thing as most will have their's locked up in assets or be to scared to do anything.
Invest in Gold? I'm not so sure that would be a good idea at this time. Gold has had a great run already over the last five years and I suspect that if you are a buyer of gold now you would most likely be buying it from smart money that has been in gold for sometime and now is looking for value elsewhere.
As for investment ideas I could fill pages and pages on stock market, currency or property related ideas, but at the end of the day the best way to invest is in something you know really well and have a strong interest. If there isn't anything like that you can think of then pick something and start small while learning.
People loose the most when they chop and change based on fear or greed not having any real strategy. Often in a very bullish market people start gearing their investments aggresssively and then when markets have tanked and fullen substantly they change to a conservative approach. What they are doing is the exact opposite to what will make the most money long term. When markets are down and depressed thats when you need to start investing aggressively and as the markets turn bullish and everyone is getting caught up in the fervor of it all you should at that point be adjusting your strategy to conservative approach getting ready for the next down cycle so that when it does occur your cashed up ready to take advantage of good value when you see it. If you follow the crowd you will end up buying high and selling low every time.
For those that live beyond the bigpond and think all of us downunder are a bunch of quacks I feel I must demistify duck speek for you
what the Duck is saying is he agree's that we are never very far from agreement and that he speeks alot of quack but further more he thinks I speek alot of quack also I'm honored Mr Ducky that you think I am able to be a quack!
O/T
I agree with Doorman and would have no problem with getting unfairly penalised on occassion if it meant for better racing in the long run. Such a system could also be done as in real life on a scale. i.e. first occurance in a race your given a warning, second or third occurance you are given a drive through and if repeated continually you recieve the black flag. It would also only be needed to be triggered on corners that will give you an advantage, that way you wouldn't get penalised for say being squeezed onto the inside grass area at T1 BL1 at the start to avoid an accident.
I do think some chicanes in LFS are very dangerous though and could do with abit of tweaking so please don't take me the wrong way and think I'm 100% against redisgning tracks, I often make comments to try stimulate discusion and I think people take me the wrong way at times
.Oh and irl I've seen plenty of pissed off drivers that think they have been unfairly penalised so I don't think AI marshels making a few unjust decisions is that far from reality lol
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we are never far from agreeing ducky, it's just sometimes we have trouble understanding each other because you speak alot of quack 
That's exactly it different stewards and events classes will have varying levels of strictness of these rules and will also interperet them slightly differently. I've read rules which imply the outer part of a curb is considered the outer perimiter of the circuit so that would cause a different interpretation to two wheels must be on tarmac as you interperet RAC rules. In such cases pre race meetings would clarify these interpretations for the drivers.
In LFS public races there is no clarification of server rules in general and the interpretation is left to the drivers who as Duck has stated will take them to breaking point. Which ultimately means that the majority think that two wheels on the grass is fine but four wheels on the grass is cutting. In real life racing I don't think it is so easy, I'm more inclined to think that if more than half the body width of the car has passed outside of the boundry of the track that it would be regarded as cutting by most stewards if done frequently. In LFS it is common to see the inside tyres just on the perimiter of the track with 90% of the car off track, which irl if done lap after lap I believe would be interpreted as cutting.
I like the idea along with all hyper's additional input, would greatly add to immersion. ps also like the pit crew noise idea
I'm not against track redesigns hyper puts the point across very well.
A couple of points that stick in my mind though. In sim racing we take things to the ragged edge always! In our driving and in the interpretation of rules. While you do see two tyres off the track irl I don't ever recall seeing it to the extent we see in LFS and I don't believe that is just down to track design.
I believe one of the reasons we see it is that in any sim you just aren't subject to forces anywhere like you are irl. By that I mean steering ffb is weak even at high settings, irl if you were to go over curbs similar to say the one exiting the first S's at BL1 a driver would be having a hell of a time physically just keeping the car in a straight line as the forces through the wheel would be trying to rip the wheel out of his hands. In LFS the forces generated through ffb are hardly a hindrance at all and for the majority that use low settings it isn't even worth mentioning.
Secondly as has been mentioned I don't think it is as clear cut as people accept broadly in LFS about what is legal and illegal track usage. In LFS the majority have seemly concluded that two wheels off track is legal in all cases and 100% legit, irl I don't believe that is the case at all. Different race serries and even individual events will have clarification rulings on what is legal and imo it is illegal to put two tyres off track with exceptions being allowed by certain serries/race marshals.
Generally the definition of track is the outside of the white line on straights and corners without curbs and the outside of the curb. It is also stated that you should remain within the boundaries of the track while racing. I have failed (after an hour long search) to find any rule indicating it is normal and reasonable to take corners with two wheels off track or for that matter even mentions two wheels off track, if you have seen such rules please post a link so I can see.
No what he is saying is that the general design of tracks in LFS is ok but people choosing to drive those tracks like an arcade game (knowing there are no penalties for cutting) is what the problem is. I agree with Gunn
In addition I think we will eventually see better automated penalty systems and/or better suspension/tyre damage modelling which will sort this out.
Also another factor is that the whole track envionment is too clinical, at some future point we hopefully will get dynamic track environments were people will not be able to drive so close to the limit lap after lap without more mishaps.
Without these things redesigning chicanes want change anything that dramatically imo
If I was stuck in a hospital bed with a laptop an LFS I'd definately ask someone to bring me in an analog gamepad 
I was hospital/bed bound for a month back in the 80's and all I had was a radio and crappy tv soaps For years afterwards the hit of that time "red red wine..." or some such nonsense drove me nuts everytime I heard it as I was forced to listen to it six times a day or more it seemed lol hope all goes well for you an you don't end up with similar mental trauma
I was hospital/bed bound for a month back in the 80's and all I had was a radio and crappy tv soaps
For years afterwards the hit of that time "red red wine..." or some such nonsense drove me nuts everytime I heard it as I was forced to listen to it six times a day or more it seemed lol hope all goes well for you an you don't end up with similar mental trauma
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I'm not necessarily bored of LFS, lifes just got so busy that when I am home and there is a possibiltiy to log on and race I just can't be bothered it's all too much effort I'm not even sure a new patch would get me back online for more than an hour or two at the moment 
another six to twelve months and maybe I'll have more time me hopes 
I'm not even sure a new patch would get me back online for more than an hour or two at the moment another six to twelve months and maybe I'll have more time me hopes I would drive the LX8 just for the shear pleasure of driving, as hypa said it would be the ultimate trac-day car. Imagine long winding track, G25 gear shifter clutch, three screens, racing cockpit, butt kicker = driving heaven
Definately wouldn't want it to have aero, but would like to see slicks as well as road supers available for rubber as both could be alot of fun.
Definately wouldn't want it to have aero, but would like to see slicks as well as road supers available for rubber as both could be alot of fun.
Thx for clearing that up
Excuse my ignorance, the last time I had any interest in karts was about 1980 so while not in another universe it was definately several life times ago
I was actually thinking of superkarts here, for some reason I thought they had twin engines appears they are just twin cylinder though
Excuse my ignorance, the last time I had any interest in karts was about 1980
so while not in another universe it was definately several life times ago I was actually thinking of superkarts here, for some reason I thought they had twin engines appears they are just twin cylinder though
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I thought two engined karts were normal
We got paid by the car and so worked like dogs Normal cars that were not so dirty we used to do in 45 mins
Normal cars that were not so dirty we used to do in 45 mins I used to do car detailing and we would get cars that had been used on mine sites up north in Western Australia that were caked in red dust (the red dust would get into everything). We used to strip them bare (all carpets seats door trims and rubber seals) Two guys would have the car looking like new inside and out in under four hours It would cost the customer $150 but would add thousands to the value of the car as after it looked like it never been near red dust Brings back memories...
It would cost the customer $150 but would add thousands to the value of the car as after it looked like it never been near red dust Brings back memories...FGED GREDG RDFGDR GSFDG