Pitting on the very last lap is just plain boring, and even though it's an almost guaranteed winner, I never do it.

Now since people are talking about why/how they race, let me give you an idea of how I do it

I always race with a goal. If I crash out of the race on the first lap for some reason, I quickly pit and get into the race again. Then I set myself a goal for my finish of the race like "4th position, <15s behind leader", and if it gets to easy I change the 15s to 12s or something like that, so I'm always achieving the best possible.
If I manage to get off the line without crashing (I race a lot of SO Classic/FOX), I race by Ayrton Senna's saying “Being second is to be the first of the ones who lose.”. I always aim for first, because I know that I have the speed.

Quote from Harry_NOR :

Back up evidence? All i did was express my thoughs about LFS and realism, i compared it with my real life experience driving a few race-cars. netKar PRO is undebatable my first-rate.

Would you mind telling us what that real life experience extends to?

I agree with Primoz about the ISI engine. I don't hate it, but I have some criticism on it. Honestly, when you put in a good lap time, feel that you have taken a corner properly, you can't put your finger on how you did it. It's like you have no contact with the thing you see on the screen. Everything feels delayed, only a slight bit, but still enough to make a differnce.
This is also the reason why I've always felt a bit distanced to GTR and GTL. They are both great sims, but that ISI engine just doesn't float my boat.

Quote from pdanev :

Evans, sometimes it's hard to be creative and unique. All the unique and outstanding works you are talking about have been done from beginin till the end by the same person. Which includes deciding where to take the picture, what car, how many cars, what skin to use to match the desired theme, what angle to use etc. That's when you get the unique result you are referring to.

However this thread is somewhat different. Here you are given a picture that you have to work with it. Sometimes you can't turn an old piece of rusty metal into gold. No matter how good you are as an artist, how creative you are, or how well you know PS.

Another thing is that we're trying to make a picture look nicer, while keeping it realistic. Sure, you could put an UFO in the background and go nuts with all kind of stuff, but that's not what most of us like here.

I agree that there should be more creativity. However if you look at the edits, you'll see quite some difference between them. And I mean look, not just have a glance, and go "ohhh blur again", this is the same as the rest. E.g. the edit I made may look pretty much the same, but in order to make something else, I decided to go for a sunset-ish, orange theme. Don's picture is distorted and tilted, while boxer's edit has rain, etc etc etc.

As cliche as this may seem, it does involve effort and some skills. You may deduct some points for the edits being "cliche", however you can't deny the fact that there is work involved in this, good work!

If you want more unique stuff, visit the Edits thread, there you'll find more diversity. However you can't expect to see magic here, since the base for all the works here is exactly the same.

I agree that you still can make edits that stand out, and are more unique than others, however if you bash other people's edits, rather than giving constructive criticism, you should show us "how it's done".

I agree with the most of what you say.

It does take skill and effort, and there is work involved. But sometimes, when you see a screenshot with just some full-pic motion blur you can't help but think that you'd rather vomit in your chair and look at that than look at the other thing.

You mention the edits thread, and actually, that's probably more or less the one I want to refer to in my previous posts. There people can post edits of their own screenshots, and that's where you can really see some cliches. That's where a lot of the rain, blur, DOF or whatever are as boring and dull as the one before it. And like you said, this is where people should have the chance to post something really unique.

I am very aware of the fact that the edits posted in this thread look very different. They look very different compared to eachother, but if you compare them to 50% of the pictures in the edits thread you'll see that they can be fitted into a number of categories, and when the pictures are divided into these categories you don't have a hope in hell of telling who made what edit.

At least your edit had some originality to it. I also like that you added some clouds in the background.

Quote from boxer :

"Anyway, im adult enough"

"It wasn't me that started bitching though."

"You really are an offensive git aren't you.."

" Stop moaning and just face the fact 99% of the people editing pics here are probably better than you."

"don't listen to this gimp "

Ohh, riight, I shouldn't insult people.
You're not the least bit welcome to dictate what I can say and what I can't say.

Quote from boxer :

You really are an offensive git aren't you.. i don't know why im bothering but oh well. A lot of people aim for the same goal in their edit, and that is, to make it look good - either realistic or artistic. People are learning here, and those that aren't are showing their work and offering tips - yet you just seem to be moaning that all the pictures are the same and are poor quality.

You can say that as much as you like, but it isn't true. There are some brilliant edit's done by the guys here, some that really stand out from the rest. Ok, some edits arent amazing, but you have to give the guy who did it some respect for the effort he or she has made.

As for your edit.. i don't like it at all. I think it's pretty cheap and of very poor quality. Not nice is it, hearing those things?

Stop moaning and just face the fact 99% of the people editing pics here are probably better than you. I know you might be thinking im being harsh now, but there was really no need for you to start this in the first place - as Keiran said, you have an attitude problem.

Good post btw Keiran.. couldn't agree more.

As for everyone else.. KEEP EDITING THE WAY YOU WANT TO.. don't listen to this gimp

Yeah, I'm just the most offensive blithering idiot in the whole wide world.

Yes, it happens that peopl post an edit sometimes that stands above everything else.
For example, a guy over at BHM named "FolkWaltz!" posted the attached rain/night-edit some time ago, which is one of the only rain-edits I really like, and I have given him credit for his work.

Your comment on my edit does not strike me the least bit, because you were offended by me before, and now you're just trying to make me feel offended as well by using the same words I used to describe the other edits. If you want to criticize what I posted, then you're free to do that, but if you can't describe to me why you don't like it then I can't be bothered with doing anything about it.
Stating that 99% of the people here are better than me is just plain stupid, considering the fact that you have only seen one single picture from 98% (that's including me) of these 99%. You have seen this one picture from me, yet you seem to know exactly how skilled I am.

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Quote from keiran :

Maybe some people like a certain style ... not like theres a design brief is there illepall



I think many will find that offensive and considering what you posted was hardly a time consuming work of art I'd have kept my virtual mouth shut if I was you. You seem to have the attitude of a know it all and if you are a know it all you should realise that everybody has there own style in how they do there art. Why should someone change this to "look" different ?

If your going to call peoples images poor-quality take a good look at yours and compare it to the likes of Don and Boxer, no comparison - my little brother could have done that ...

Keiran

Who says that art has to be really time-consuming?
I'm not a know-it-all, but I do realise that people have different styles, but I also know that people's styles are not limited to what we see here. You might have this great idea on how to make your picture really stand out from something, but you don't have the knowledge to do so, so instead you just edit it to something that "almost looks like it", which is the reason why people say that they're not happy with the result.
Coloring stuff magneta and writing things like "subtleties unveiled" over it is not everything I do. I experiment with a lot of things and try to realize the ideas that I have.
I know that Don is a good artist, because I've seen some of the good things he's done, but the edit he has posted in this thread is nothing close to extraordinary.
Is mine? Probably not, and I've done better, but like I said, it was an idea, I haven't made anything like it before. Don has made several other DOF, over-exposure, B/C edits in other threads.

And now you can just as easily say "Well not all people like experimenting as much as you do", but you can't say that people don't have their own ideas.

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Quote from boxer :

Sure, when you tell me what yours was about..

I posted a picture. And then I posted my opinion on the seemingly endless flow of poor-quality pictures, all of which look the same.
Your turn now.

Quote from Vain :

The reason why people edit blur into pictures is because pictures have blur in them in real life.
The reason why people edit rain into pictures is because there is rain in real life.
Do I also need to talk about overexposure, reflections, gras etc.?

Vain

If we're going to talk about real stuff, then I also need to add a few things.
When real photographers take real photos in real life, they try to be as unique as possible (except for press-photographers, lolomfghahahaha!!!111elevenone.. piss off).
All of these bloody edits, whether they are from beginners or experienced, all look the same.
If you were to edit a real photograph, you wouldn't try to make it look more photorealistic, instead you would try to keep it so damn unique that people would be able to distinguish it from everything else in the world and say "I know who made that, that was xxxxxx".

Quote from boxer :

Erm, what? Ha.. k.. cough cough.

Maybe you can tell me what the hell your post was all about?

Quote from Greboth :

O/T I think the reason so many edits are done the same are because like me people are learning how to edit the shots and cant do much else.

That's probably true, but still, considering that most people here are using Photoshop, your options are not that limited to blurring or over-exposure, even if you're a beginner. Simply experiment your way through it, instead of doing what everybody else is doing.
To get you started, here's a site that offers hundreds of good Photoshop tutorials, easy to understand: http://www.good-tutorials.com/.

All I was seing in this thread was clichés (light edits, night, rain, grain, blur and old-school edits). What happened to originality and self-thinking?

Quote from Wikipedia.org about clichés:
"It has since come to mean a phrase, expression, or idea that has been overused to the point of losing its intended force or novelty, especially when at some time it was considered distinctively forceful or novel."

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Quote from Sp3cTr3 :

as far as I know green is accelerating, red is letting off the throttle (first I thought it was braking) and yellow means stable speed. Dont think you can improve the stable speed, but maybe a little but it wont show that much. if you go a couple km/t faster the line will still be yellow

Red is braking. As soon as you ease off the throttle, the car will start slowing down. I think the color codes are based on the G-force measuring in LFS. Green means negative lateral G and red means positive lateral G.

Quote from boxer :

I gotta say, that looks really cool. They've put some time and effort into organising it.. think i might sign up with a few friends!

Good luck putting your team together evans

It looks interesting indeed
Thanks, and good luck to you too!

So, is anyone up for this?
What's needed is a team principle (who must not race) and two drivers, and I will be the third driver. The team will then have 3 drivers in total, and the principle decides who races when.

Have a look @ http://www.simfia.com for info.

Drop a message in this thread if you're interested

Anyone up for Williams-Cosworth? I can't make all the races because of exams next month, so we'll need a third driver.
PM me mates

Oh and btw, can the team principle be a driver as well?

55.00 with a wheel

Righto, after a couple of 10-15 laps I was doing mid 55's and my PB ATM is 55.. sadly though, I have to leave the game for an hour or so right now, but I'll be back, smacking all of y'alls asses afterwards online

Quote from deggis :

Where did you get that translation file?

I already knew this TC thing though, language translators have been leaking info.

The dedicated server thingie

You said it mate

Thanks for all the great hours I've spent with LFS, devs. You've truly made my interest in motorsports a lot bigger.

It wouldn't be a BMW-Sauber F1.06 if it didn't have TC, and if it didn't have TC it would in fact be like driving with frozen rear-wheels. I don't know why anyone would whine about this. It's a realism factor, and I really do believe that the BF1 is the only one with traction control at the moment.

Quote from Wegland :

Now I want BMW Saloons and Sport Cars

No you don't.

I've had a DFP since S2 Alpha came out now, and I've never had any problems with it. With the Wingman drivers everything works perfectly and it's definitely worth the money I was worried too when I was buying it, but if something goes wrong with the wheel just tell Logitech that you've only used it for PS2.

Oooor...

we could slap some NOS on the two cars and give the guys a push-to-pass button? Just like they have in Champ Car, where people can't drive.

Fo' shizzle illepall

Anyway, back to the seriousness of being serious. Volkswagen developed a new engine boost technology some time last year called TSI. It's a combined supercharger and turbo (if I'm understanding this correctly) which gives you all the pros of both, without any of the cons like turbolag, lack of torque etc.
Another plus is brilliant fuel consumption.
You can read about the technology here: http://www.volkswagen.com/vwcm ... l_glossary/tsi/start.html

I don't know if it would work in GTR cars like the XRR and the FXR, but it's definitely worth a look.

I've always thought that LFS is really "compatible" or whatever you wanna call it. It works on a lot of low-end computers as well as high-end, and I've always been very happy about the fact that I can run LFS in 1280x1024 with 3xAA and 3xAF at >60 FPS (I have my framelimiter to 60 though, because of my refresh-rate) - so it's weird that you can't even hit 66 or above that, because your system is a lot better than mine.

Quote from AlfaLover :

Evans look here : http://developer.nvidia.com/object/dds_utilities.html
i found in my firefox history.

I just found it, but thanks anyway

Quote from AlfaLover :

dds seem to be a type of graphical format from nvidia for mipmapping (or something like this, in nvidia homepage exists free photoshop plugin that enable open and save .dds files. but mmm i don't remember the url..

I'm sure I can find it on their website - thanks for the tip

Quote from al heeley :

Nice one, Fordy, and unmistakable team livery!

But it's ugly. F1 cars deserve a sleek, sophisticated look with modern lines and maximum minimalism, and last but not least, simple coloring.

That said, is there some kind of plugin I can download so I can open DDS files in Photoshop CS2?

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