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[OLD] Tyre Physics Progress Report
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you guys do realise that the grooved dry weather tyres were commonly called slicks in f1?
Quote from Shotglass :you guys do realise that the grooved dry weather tyres were commonly called slicks in f1?

Maybe in Finland they weren't? At least here the commentators just kept on calling them slicks.
I do recall them being called slicks here too... Atleast I consider them slick tyres.
Quote from Shotglass :you guys do realise that the grooved dry weather tyres were commonly called slicks in f1?

Of course. I don't want to get into another war on definitions, but I hope we can agree that "slick" is not the correct term for the grooved tyres. In official circles (the FIA and team's media releases, for example) they generally weren't referred to as "slicks" but "grooved tyres", "dry weather tyres" etc. Thus, in the official capacity (in the setup screen) the term "grooved" would probably be more correct than "slick". The fact that no-one (AFAIK) has mentioned this bug before means that the vast majority of the community hadn't even thought about "slick" perhaps not being a correct label.
By the way, for all those who still want to party the extremly fast progress of this game. Its been just 2 years since the scirocco got announced.

So throw a party or something. Finish it already, it's been about time. I honestly understand that it takes time but its been 730 days and all the community has got to see is about nothing. It would be at least nice to get some report on something. Remember you have got a huge community behind you three guys who have the patience and the trust in you so its about time to give them something back.
Quote from baSh0r :By the way, for all those who still want to party the extremly fast progress of this game. Its been just 2 years since the scirocco got announced.

So throw a party or something. Finish it already, it's been about time. I honestly understand that it takes time but its been 730 days and all we have is exactly: nothing. It would be at least nice to get some report on something. Remember you have got a huge community behind you three guys who have the patience and the trust in you so its about time to give them something back.

Have you read the thread a few pages ago Scawen posted a short update
He means progress worth reporting; by making it appear out of thin air.

Quote :its about time to give them something back.

Quote from Scawen :Yes, I was also asking myself what I am doing here...

I am quite pleased with the contact patch / tread simulation at the moment, several recent updates resulted in more interesting and realistic handling. But there are some aspects of the current tyre model that do not change in the same way as a real tyre, for example with changes in pressure or load. This is due to the lateral deformation of the tyre's carcass (the cords and wires encased in rubber that hold its shape).

So my current focus is to get the real time model's carcass deformation to be a better approximation of reality. It's different with every tyre but there are of course common things between all radial tyres. LFS tyres won't be exactly like any particular real tyre but they need to be good tyres and obviously behave like ones that could exist.

So I've been looking at a tyre simulation to answer these questions. It's a sort of virtual tyre test rig I've had for a long time but it needed some improvements. It represents the cords and belts of a tyre held in shape by the tyre's pressure. The general idea is to make that simulation a good approximation of reality, so it can fill in the gaps, giving me more answers than I can get from the various real world test results I can get my hands on. It doesn't run in real time, and takes a couple of minutes to run its tests and generate the results. It's in those periods I've been checking my email and some post notifications have sent me in here to see what's up.

I don't mind the usual criticism but when I see sarcastic or insulting posts then I'm tempted to react, either as a developer or a moderator... when it gets too annoying, I guess I'll unsubscribe again.

Scawen, if I may.

Firstly, I think what you are doing - the efforts to making handling etc more realistic is a noble one. We get several racing "simulators" a year with new content and I am feeling indifferent every time I have tried them - the handling just isn't realistic at all. Soon I just drop them. LFS has been a simulator in the past for me from which I drew great pleasure of for several hours in a row.

Secondly, LFS hasn't had new content (and by content I mean a few tracks and a few cars) for a couple of years now. It's like screwing the prettyest model in the world. At some point it will not be exciting as the first 100 times.

Now I am not the one who wants to shout or demand new things and please don't get me wrong. That's not what I am trying to say. I respect the fact that' it is Scavier's simulator and not mine. However, I would just love it to bits if we could get a few new tracks and cars to drive on - not for free, mind you. I'd be perfectly happy to pay a lot of money for them if I knew I wasn't renting them (as in iRacing). They don't need to be perfect right away. Make them raceable now as in current S2 handling - it is perfectly cool the way it is now - few simulators can match it anyway and it would give the community immense amount of pleasure. Then work on the new tyre/handling model for a few years again - let's be honest, few have tried to make as good handling model as you are trying to do and I bet even god doesn't know how long it can take. And the better it will be the happier I will be. But I just wish there was a few new tracks to drive the cars around on.
Oh just sit and wait some more patiently, you can do it. S3 content is on the way. Physics updates have to be done and are almost done, so there is nothing to discuss about that.
Quote from baSh0r :By the way, for all those who still want to party the extremly fast progress of this game. Its been just 2 years since the scirocco got announced.

So throw a party or something.

Nobody is "partying" that. We all would love to have more frequent updates, it's just that some people are intelligent enough to have realized by now that moaning and whining doesn't make the progress any faster.

Quote from baSh0r :Finish it already, it's been about time. I honestly understand that it takes time but its been 730 days and all the community has got to see is about nothing. It would be at least nice to get some report on something. Remember you have got a huge community behind you three guys who have the patience and the trust in you so its about time to give them something back.

You might want to check Scawen's posting history.
Quote from Amynue : Physics updates have to be done and are almost done, so there is nothing to discuss about that.

That is your personal feeling about it, I guess.. But its stated nowhere officially.
Quote from zeugnimod :Nobody is "partying" that. We all would love to have more frequent updates, it's just that some people are intelligent enough to have realized by now that moaning and whining doesn't make the progress any faster.



You might want to check Scawen's posting history.

So you are satisfied to get the runaround all the time. I agree with you that moaning and whining doesn't help the progress, but it wouldnt be hard to give any more specific comments on the progress. I mean just a few new screenshots would sooo cool down the heat and lift up the spirits, but i guess that is just too much already.
Quote from baSh0r :but it wouldnt be hard to give any more specific comments on the progress. I mean just a few new screenshots would sooo cool down the heat and lift up the spirits, but i guess that is just too much already.

How do you know that it wouldn't be hard to make comments on the progress. I'm sure Scawen should throw around with words that nobody except BBT, Niels and some others can understand but that wouldn't really make sense.

And how do you make a screenshot of physics?

And I'm pretty sure that those screenshots wouldn't cool down the heat and lift up the spirits.
Quote from cargame.nl :That is your personal feeling about it, I guess.. But its stated nowhere officially.

It's not my personal feeling:
Quote from Scawen :most important in my opinion and many others is to get the cars feeling right and handling right.

Quote from zeugnimod :And how do you make a screenshot of physics?

Yea, video would make more sense, but still not much. You have to play it to get the real idea what the new physics is like.
I guarantee you that a new scirocco screenshot on rockingham would make the community totally freak out.
Quote from baSh0r :I guarantee you that a new scirocco screenshot on rockingham would make the community totally freak out.

Right word: Apeshit
Why not allow people to work as he knows, does not help, just chat bullshit
Who you gonna call?

:bitehard:
Quote from Amynue :It's not my personal feeling:





Yea, video would make more sense, but still not much. You have to play it to get the real idea what the new physics is like.

Learn to read. That comment says nothing of the sort what you are.
Quote from Amynue :It's not my personal feeling:
Quote:
Originally Posted by Scawen
most important in my opinion and many others is to get the cars feeling right and handling right.

It is.. Where exactly do you read it's almost finished?

Quote from baSh0r :a new scirocco screenshot on rockingham would make the community totally freak out.

Probably yes.. In a bad way.
Actually what bashor is asking for is, I think, for news about CONTENT about ERIC not about Scawen.
Scawen gave us much information about his progress but... We know NOTHING about Eric's work
Quote from Sir moi 407 :We know NOTHING about Eric's work

Quote from Eric :I really dont feel the need to justify the way or even the pace at which I work to anyone. The conditions I have to work in and the tools I have to work with affect only me, so I will deal with things my own way. I would say I'm sorry if you don't like it, but the truth is I'm not sorry. I am my own boss. I don't answer to anyone. Get over it.

i don't like it either, but that's his response to any concerns.
Quote :I’d recommend visiting our forum once a week or so and check if the test-patch section has returned. It will be around that time the patch will be near.

From this quote of Victor i can make up that the new physics are getting close.
You should check other sites then LFS forums once in a while
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[OLD] Tyre Physics Progress Report
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