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[OLD] Tyre Physics Progress Report
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Chuck Norris gets royalties for all racing games, because their concept is about speed, skill and competition.
He roundhouse kicks Scavier everytime when they work too fast and want to release an update, otherwise Chuck would never get any profits from the games like GT and Forza.

Coming to, after Chuck's roundhouse kick takes a while...
Quote from 91mason91 :I laugh in the face of impatient 12 year olds.

Well. it's not really impatience, but a promise has been made.

I don't know about the rest of you guys, but the promise of continuous development was one of the sellingpoints that convinced me to buy a licence. Once I had finished the driving tests in the demo I bought a licence because I felt like there was epic potential in this physics engine. I bought the licence to support the developers and stimulate them to add features and make everything better.

I am not a LFS driver since the very beginning. When I bought my licence I got S2 right away, so I'm fairly new I guess. But the thing is that since I got my licence there have been no significant changes or additional features that I can think of.

With a "normal" game when you buy it, you pay so you can play it as it is. But with LFS my intentions were different. I decided to pay so the devs could keep developing. I feel like I made a little investment. Maybe it would have been better to have kept driving the demo. But I decided to not be a pussy and commit to this project by investing some money so there could be something better in the end. I love simracing and I believed LFS could be the best sim out there if development would continue.

I feel a bit sad because we, the users, showed trust by investing in a product of wich the developers admit it is not finished. We showed trust by paying for that unfinished product.
We said: "Nevermind those ridiculous barrier glitches, you'll get it right in the end. Those super smooth road surfaces? Update that when you come to it. Grass through the bottom of the car? Haha, that's small, you devs will fix that eventually."
But in my "LFS life" I've seen no changes I can think of.

So I wouldn't call the emotions on the forum "impatience". I would say I'm worried. Worried that this great happening of trust and love for simracing will wither.
Quote from Ferrero Rocher :Well. it's not really impatience, but a promise has been made.

Can you show me where this promise is?

I remember Scavier saying the INTEND to continally develop the sim, and they INTENDED to release a patch a long time ago, but I have NEVER seen a PROMISE from the devs about either.

Sorry for the capitals. I'm aware it makes me look like Intrepid. Bold/Italic seemed wrong.
Quote from tristancliffe :Can you show me where this promise is?

I remember Scavier saying the INTEND to continally develop the sim, and they INTENDED to release a patch a long time ago, but I have NEVER seen a PROMISE from the devs about either.

Sorry for the capitals. I'm aware it makes me look like Intrepid. Bold/Italic seemed wrong.

I'm not a graphic designer, but capitals are fine by me.

Just because the words "We, the devs of LFS solemnly swear that..." have not been used does not mean there is no promise made.
If I say I intend to do something I feel an obligation to do that. A declararion of intention to do something, is that not a promise? To say you "intend" to do something is basically "legal speak" to cover yourself for failure. If the client or whoever complains you're not doing as you said you would you can always say: "Yes, but I intend to, that's what I promised."

That "intention" coupled to the fact that we're still in, what the devs call version 0.5, doesn't that create a very, very, very strong impression stat there's much more development to come?

Did they deliberately create that impression (to convince players to buy a licence)? I certainly think so.
Did they believe in it themselves? I certainly think so.
Did I believe it? Yup.
Do I still believe it? Yup.
Am I worried? Yup.
I dont understand why some people complain about the lack of updates when you haven't done all combos with all cars in lfs. I haven't done them all and im still exploring some aspects of the game/sim and that is what is keeping me on lfs in these hard times. People need to be creative and stop whoring the same combos all the time and do combos that you really hate. Why? Because you will get good at it after some practice and will have a good laugh trying to attempt to be good at something you hate.
Quote from Franky.S :I dont understand why some people complain about the lack of updates when you haven't done all combos with all cars in lfs.

Why is it so important to have tried all the combos before you can complain/moan/critizise/whatever?
Quote from Franky.S :I dont understand why some people complain about the lack of updates when you haven't done all combos with all cars in lfs. I haven't done them all and im still exploring some aspects of the game/sim and that is what is keeping me on lfs in these hard times. People need to be creative and stop whoring the same combos all the time and do combos that you really hate. Why? Because you will get good at it after some practice and will have a good laugh trying to attempt to be good at something you hate.

There are different motivations to enjoy a game. These motivations rarely stand alone, every player has a combination of them.
I understand some people will say: "It's a matter of taste, you can't say anything sensible about taste." But when you try to design a game that's not enough, you can't design a game sensibly when thinking like that.
I study game design, so I'll try to explain what I understand about the motivations to "like" a game. Or what experiences people pursue in gaming.

Roughly there are four categories:

Motion.
Racing LFS feels good. It gives a feeling of physical movement and interaction. This "movement" motivation applies to all of us simracers I think. We all like to "feel" how the weight of the car shifts and how the tyres lose grip and to stay in that place (the edge of controlability) where those feelings are the strongest.

Competition.
There is the competition motivation, the will to win. Those people will try to master all cominations. These people will like to test their skill against the competition against the environment and against other players.

Mimicry.
There is the mimicry motivation (cruisers :shy. Here the player enjoys himself if he/she "is" something he/she is not "really". The experience these players look for is to experience what a racecar driver feels or what a policeman experiences when het pulls over a car or pursues a car.

Chance.
Then there is the "chance" motivation, which mainly applies to gambling. But for instance mechanical failures or a weather system in a driving game tap into this a little.

For me the "competition" motivation is very weak. I enjoy to "feel" the cars. I enjoy to feel like I'm a race driver sitting in a race car. I enjoy weather effects that bring unpredictable circumstances and to gamle with tyre choices. And in the last place comes the competition element for me. Winnig gives me no thrill, honestly.

Just my pedantic two cents.
well, last time I logged in here was a few months ago. Now one day before X-Mas I wanted to check if there are some news... but no. still nothing....
Merry X-Mas to all who are waiting like me and also to the Devs. Hopefully they are doing what they are supposed to do. :wmann3:
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The fact that it has taken as long as it has is a testament to the quality of the existing model.[/QUOTE]
There is no fact, there is no information to even suggest that there is or ever will be a new physic model,,,, other than statements on this forum.
Maybe the intention was there!
But in hope we wait, LFS was and is still one of the best race sim available so god bless the developers for giving us that!
I wonder how many lost souls spend their xmas's right here in this amazing thread...

Oh well,
Merry xmas, happy waiting year 2011 and all that shit!:frosty:

E:
-30 degrees celsius outside makes a merry fffing christmas indeed
Quote from Waste Me :[
The fact that it has taken as long as it has is a testament to the quality of the existing model.

There is no fact, there is no information to even suggest that there is or ever will be a new physic model,,,, other than statements on this forum.
Maybe the intention was there!
But in hope we wait, LFS was and is still one of the best race sim available so god bless the developers for giving us that![/QUOTE]

Scawen has stated it many times.
Well, this lfs stuff is just sad, say what you will, in lfs s1 progress was good...
I mean, if there is no progress maybe people aren't really trying.... see the late evolution to netkar pro, the game was almost grounded to a a stop and now they picked up the pace... How hard can it be for a professional on a almost full time... no one is seriously trying...
I would like to see how things would have turned out if it wasn't for the leaked s2 0.5F...and the rushed out the door demo... with the demo out they just relaxed...
I really wish well for lfs, there is no thing as to many sims, but really, really sad for this, if there is no progress by lack of will and determination then be honest... that was the intent of lfs wasn't it? throw away with big money hungry companies, be yourself, don't be like them...
Quote from RJC_pt :if it wasn't for the leaked s2 0.5F...and the rushed out the door demo... with the demo out they just relaxed...

Good old Domin8r .
1:35 until our test patch christmas present
I would say wait until tomorrow, if nothing happens, let the moaning continue
Quote from jasonmatthews :I would say wait until tomorrow, if nothing happens, let the moaning continue

I would say, wait until tommorow, if nothing happens, then go turn off your computer and spend some time doing other stuff, regardless whether or not you celebrate the Christmas holiday or not.
If patch isn't ready yet they can post a progress report or at last a video of VWS@ROC, anything...
Quote from Amynue :If patch isn't ready yet they can post a progress report or at last a video of VWS@ROC, anything...

It would be nice to have at last new progress report.
i will trolololoollololololololololoolo if the patch dont come out
The new tyre physics are a figment of Scawen's imagination.
Quote from Mango Juice :The new tyre physics are a figment of Scawen's imagination.

The day isn't finish, and it's also tomorrow Christmas
Just about max 23 hours left!:cake:
In 2002 sim starts, 2003-2004 S1 released, 2006 S2 released, 2010 nothing happened, GT5 was released and Rfactor 2 will be released soon...
There will be neither a patch, there is no Santa Claus.
If Scawen wanted, he would be making new trails, maintain interest.
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[OLD] Tyre Physics Progress Report
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