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[OLD] Tyre Physics Progress Report
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Quote from Speed Soro :I think many here cant understand my point: I am not saying that they are obligated to give us s3. What Im saying is that anyone here that complain, has the right to complain, because it is a client right. It is business, not joke.
I understand what you are saying, but there is a difference between complaining about something you already have and complainging about something you want! Most people here are complaining that they want the new physics now, or them wanting new tracks and stuff like that. You haven't paid for this kind of stuff, so in my opinion you have no right to complain about it. Yes, you could make a suggestion to the Devs, but you don't have the right to complain about not having it. Actually, the only complaining you have rights for are the bugs in game.

If Scavier will not give S3, so say "we will not give S3". If they "plan" to give S3, and people wait for 3 years, I think this people has the right to come here and protest.
Nope they haven't. If they say they're planning to make us S3 they can take as long as they want on it. There is no release date mentioned and no promises have been made. And the longer it takes, the better it is

If there was a Duke Nuken Forever forum, people would be there also complaining. And if Scavier keeps this forum alive, they cant complain against complainers that come here.

It is about the right of complain that Im talking, not about obligations of the Scavier team, however I could say a lot about it too.

Maybe you can complain about the Scirocco, but i still think it's rediculous to do this. You should be thankfull for what those 3 men have been and are doing at the moment for us. Those 3 men have been able to keep up with the competition pretty well and other sims still have more people behind it then LFS does.
They could give us at the very least a progress report just to let the (good) part of the community know what is actually going on.
But if they don't feel like it there is nothing we can do about so just f$cking live with it.
Quote from three_jump :http://www.lfsforum.net/showthread.php?p=1454911#post1454911

missed that one?

Yes I have and so what development takes time when you have just 3 poeple so my word stil stands F$CKING learn to live with the progress.
Al I can think of is that Scawen could team up with some other coders who love race simulation and no this is not to speed up development its might turn out to be interesting to hear how they see things.

I have had the same with me being in a class for becoming a graphical designer.
I find it one of the most fun things to see the visions of other people to not only see things trough my own eyes, because it interests me and fills me up with new and exciting ideas and ways to do things.
So it might just be an interesting experience for you of course its al up to you but trust me on this working together for fun is more interesting then for commercial purposes.

But it is very pleasing to hear from you Scawen seems like you are doing lots of interesting things to LFS I'm loving it.
Don't tell me you actually think Scawen sits in his room coding, trying things on his own, never talking to other people?

No man can do anything by himself (talking about complex things like this).

If he wants to be a single coder on a team, that is not because he doesn't want advice/different perspective on things. It's just so he knows his code and doesn't have to figure out what the hell someone else wrote (although as some others said before, it happens with your own code, too ).

This is just my guess, but I'm pretty sure Scawen does indeed communicate with [who knows who].
He would probably be in a psychiatry care (is that the correct word?) by now if he tried to understand tires and physics on his own.
Quote from JPeace :I agree partially with Scipy here - Which is a first I must say.

But Scipy, you are saying that a new lease of life of GTR's would be much more benefiticial. Well im sorry but I dissagree. You are coming from a very small part of the sim community that race and enjoy high level enduranc leagues, and you are one of the very few on the sim that get to race at the top of LFS. The Scirocco will bring more attention to the sim, more players will come to the game because of the attraction of having a real life car in the game - plus that with the fact that a new, real life track is coming. It's about the business at the end of the day, and if LFS loses a few members because of the lack good GTR cars to drive in leagues then whats the harm in that if in return the Scirocco boosts LFS's popularity and more players end up buying S2 and make LFS more money? I think that the developers may or may not listen to you, but I am sure that you definatly are not talking to deaf ears.


I would appreciate few very good drivers in lfs more than a lot of newbies...I think lfs loses much more when one driver like e.g. scipy leaves than 20 average or underaverage drivers (I dont want to say that average drivers are less important to lfs (I also consider to be one of them) but there has to be high quality maintained - real championships like F1 would also be less interesting if there werent those top drivers...you can see it on the example of Raikonnen - I quite miss him there)
and yes as the matter of business more licenced drivers means more money which is always good but I still think the needs of minority should be also satisfied... however I might be saying this just because I like GTRs as well : )
Quote from bavorak :I would appreciate few very good drivers in lfs more than a lot of newbies...I think lfs loses much more when one driver like e.g. scipy leaves than 20 average or underaverage drivers (I dont want to say that average drivers are less important to lfs (I also consider to be one of them) but there has to be high quality maintained - real championships like F1 would also be less interesting if there werent those top drivers...you can see it on the example of Raikonnen - I quite miss him there)

But those "good drivers" have started as "newbies" as well, didn't they?

I couldn't care less if one so called alien leaves. The other 3 F's mean much more to me than just the one F(ast).

And how does LFS "lose much more when one alien leaves than when 20 average drivers leave"?

Can't really follow that train of thought.
Good drivers will always be missed, its how you define 'good' that's interesting, as zeug mentioned fair, fun,then fast sound about right to me in the long run, where's a cab when you need it?

A great aspect of LFS is it teaches a lot more than just about how to go fast and win races.
me too, i´m very happy about knowing the game will go on
Haven't we known that for last couple of yours?

I don't want to be skeptical or rude, it's nice to hear from scawen, but after reading his long posts we basically know nothing new :-( We're back in point "early 2009" :-(
Quote from zeugnimod :But those "good drivers" have started as "newbies" as well, didn't they?

I couldn't care less if one so called alien leaves. The other 3 F's mean much more to me than just the one F(ast).

And how does LFS "lose much more when one alien leaves than when 20 average drivers leave"?

Can't really follow that train of thought.

for me a good (alien as you call them) driver means an opportunity to learn more from his replays and also they are the ones who make the best setups so I think when such person leaves lfs it is a loss
We are different then.

I value a fair and friendly racer more than someone who I can get sets of and who otherwise might be an **** (not naming any names :razz.
Quote from Speed Soro :Wrong is to complain about the complains.

What any post of his boils down to.
Quote :first thing that this "team" must to understand is that this situation was created by them, not us.

More of the same.
Quote :That weren't us that come here and ask for someone to create a simulator, we didn't come here and said: Hey, you, please, develop something for us.

What's that got to do with anything?
Quote :Second, they promise, and if you promise something, you must to make it. Pay you debts, stay there on the clock, be honest.

Show this as legal contract or admit you're making it up.
Quote from zeugnimod :We are different then.

I value a fair and friendly racer more than someone who I can get sets of and who otherwise might be an **** (not naming any names :razz.

well i like fair drivers too and hate those who care only about themselves and not about cars around but setups and watching perfect laps help me get better which is what I want...
but I parcially agree with you...sometimes it is a better feeling to have a nice clean fight on a track than doing some good hotlap alone
Quote from zeugnimod :We are different then.

I value a fair and friendly racer more than someone who I can get sets of and who otherwise might be an **** (not naming any names :razz.

I'm the ****! \o/
IMHO:

Scavier set up a brilliant simulator, with very nice systems such as LFSWorld + the ease of skins.

Also they brought together a close community where they may be proud of.

Just look at the UK Kartmeeting, just TO many want to join this year since Jason and co did lots of work trying to bring the community together in a wonderful event.


Also the simulator it self was the very best when it came to the market, was the best again when S2 came out, and I'm sure with the upcoming patch, and S3 it will be at the top again.

I have full trust in Scawen, Eric and Victor!

Scavier, good luck with making this simulator even better then it is right now.

I enjoy it since the very first public demo, and I am still in love. No single game ever done that for me.

The End!
Quote from rockclan :IMHO:

Scavier set up a brilliant simulator, with very nice systems such as LFSWorld + the ease of skins.

Also they brought together a close community where they may be proud of.

Just look at the UK Kartmeeting, just TO many want to join this year since Jason and co did lots of work trying to bring the community together in a wonderful event.


Also the simulator it self was the very best when it came to the market, was the best again when S2 came out, and I'm sure with the upcoming patch, and S3 it will be at the top again.

I have full trust in Scawen, Eric and Victor!

Scavier, good luck with making this simulator even better then it is right now.

I enjoy it since the very first public demo, and I am still in love. No single game ever done that for me.

The End!

So called Aliens will probably come back for the same reason they came here in the first place.
I'm pretty sure I'll be back to rallyX with new patch

I still remember demo times when I had 6 WRs in rally
XFG, XRG and XRT in BL2 and BL2R

Do any demo racer had more WRs than I've had?
Quote from scipy :I'm the ****! \o/

Not really. Well, maybe a bit.

You at least qualify for 2 of the 4 F's.
Quote from Scawen :I got run over or contracted a fatal illness or perhaps someone will come and offer me a flight to the moon but I have to train at NASA for a couple of years. Unlikely, and there's really nothing better I can do than work on this simulator. I just don't want to write about every step on the development path, so that's why there is a long time between progress reports.



jokes aside, please try not to get sick scawen

i had faith, even though i just read your first post
Its smelling the new Patch !
Thanks Scawen !
i think scawen tired to see this another whinners

BTW: MY PAIN GOT OUT WHEN SCAWEN SAYS IT :P
Thanks for these posts Scawen.
Nice to hear that you did not end up in a dead end for tire physic.
I feel that there is still a lot to do, but I am confident as you also seems confident.
Anyway I will be glad to give it a try when it is done.
Quote from Speed Soro :I think many here cant understand my point: I am not saying that they are obligated to give us s3. What Im saying is that anyone here that complain, has the right to complain, because it is a client right. It is business, not joke.

If Scavier will not give S3, so say "we will not give S3". If they "plan" to give S3, and people wait for 3 years, I think this people has the right to come here and protest.

If there was a Duke Nuken Forever forum, people would be there also complaining. And if Scavier keeps this forum alive, they cant complain against complainers that come here.

It is about the right of complain that Im talking, not about obligations of the Scavier team, however I could say a lot about it too.

You know - S3 isnt in even in development yet. The NEXT is 0.6A ALPHA - which hasn't been marked as S3 by anybody, officially or not .

In other words NO ONE has promised us S3 with anything yet.

He is working on what he said he is working on ( Scawen, that is ). His promise is "Its done when I feel its good enough to be done!"

Thats all we need.

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[OLD] Tyre Physics Progress Report
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