The track map displayed on your windshield is very hard to see against bright backgrounds (e.g. clouds). A light shadow would solve this problem.

General disclaimer: Maybe I'm just missing something, then please tell me.

Quote from Eclipsed :

Many mods have derivatives allowed (like this one...

See, I didn't get that! Thanks for pointing it out.

Nah, I usually do "worse" versions of the cars. My last tweak was an MRT with 165/65 R13 road tyres and a Ducati Monster 600 engine with an h-box.

Funny enough, it does feel a bit like that Monster.

As I don't have a clue how to build a 3D-model and such (and this isn't exactly my idea of fun anyway), I do tweaks based on the stock LFS-cars - for personal use.

However, it'd be great if, for that purpose, I could also tweak other people's mods to my liking.

Have I just not figured out how to do this yet or is this considered a no-no for some reason?

Dope!

Thanks for answering.

Quote from Gutholz :

I am not aware of any software to calibrate the shifter.
But here is a manual on how to open the G27 Shifter:
https://de.ifixit.com/Anleitung/Logitech+G27+Potentiometer+der+Schaltung+tauschen/42378
Check the potentiometer, whether is has become loose or dirty.

Will probably do this once I find leisure.

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The text is german but there are many pictures.

Das ist vielleicht gut so... also, dass da Bilder sind.

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Shifting into neutral does not strictly require clutch.

Yeah, as a matter of fact not at all. I (re-)found that out yesterday. I thought it'd only pop out without any load, but it does instantly when pulling the stick into neutral position. That's kind of suboptimal programming, I have to say. IRL you'd have to pull like an ass to get it out of gear under load.

As for DxTweak, got that. It only handles the axes.


A little Logitech G anecdote/rant:

I started out with a G25. Rock solid, no fancy shtuff on the wheel. Shifter was included and had a sequencial-mode. Sold it for - wait for it - more than I bought it new when I hardly ever used it anymore.

Then I bought another one. "Pre-owned". Rock solid, gave me no problems. Sold that again at no loss.
At one point, I bought a used G27 (because there was no 25 around). That one had been pre-owned by a kid, obviously. From a hygienic point of view it was in a questionable condition, and the shifter looked beaten up. But it worked.

Then the wheel started to stay away from work occasionally: You plugged it in and sometimes, nothing happened. I opened it up, saw nothing I could do, put it back together and - miracle - there was no further refusal of work... until one day it died after some spastic cramps.

So finally I bought a brandnew G923, which has no shifter. I could use the G27 shifter, that isn't really supported by the G923, with a tiny workaround and at the expense of the shifter's buttons, though. One day, however, I thought I shouldn't be such a cheapskate and ordered the driving force shifter... which is obviously prone to this faulty behavior, so I'm probably going back to the beaten up G27-shifter and the workaround.

Logitech gave us less and less quality for the same price. But maybe that's ok because we have more buttons now.

Quote from Pukyy :

Exactly my point, Live for Speed has potential to evolve, to become something...

Yeah. It should be combined with Google Earth / Maps.

Quote from ScammerGamerLOL :

no airbag = race car? some 60s mustangs and stuff

Logical fallacy.

Quote from gtamax89 :

None of all the cars you named are a racing car.

Still the question remains: What is your point?

@dh7938726 I don't think coding an average torque convertor automatic into LFS would be overly complicated.

Quote from gtamax89 :

race cars don't have automatic transmission.

1. Define automatic transmission.

2. Define race car.

3. Tell me if LFS is about racing vehicles or racing racing cars.


So?

Hey there

My driving force shifter doesn't reliably "hold" 5th gear. I get the feeling that there must be some "flickering" of the clutch, too, otherwise the gear wouldn't pop out in LFS, right?

Anyways, I read that this happens a lot with those shifters and it might be a calibration thing, and I also read about tools (well, rather "a" tool) that can fix it. I wanted to try that but had to find out that it wouldn't work with the G923.

Any ideas? Any third-party tweaking software for the G923 and the shifter? I can only run with G Hub, which is abysmal on several levels anyway.

Thanks.

Is this meant to be a diesel?

That'd be especially cool in conjunction with the addition of some '70s and '80s US-style cars.

Quote from rane_nbg :

In a normal car, this kind of smooth start is a real art.

With my new car, that I bought about a year ago, it took me a while to find that coordination again, where you launch reasonably quick but with the lowest revs and the least clutch slippage possible, followed by the earliest possible super-smooth shift into 2nd.

But once in a blue moon I still spur them horses and chase them thru the bends. However, maximum-depreciation-starts, as I like to call them, have become very, very rare.

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Once you start paying for your own fuel, then you also start to learn all possible ways of gentle driving and fuel saving.

True, and also to avoid general wear.

Smooth is king, and it can still be quick.

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Interesting stuff. Makes sense.

As a side note, the graphs of the two real engines are probably from engines with gas-by-wire, where the computer just gives you an optimized response, until you floor it, where it just gives you what the engine has got, which isn't a smooth curve. First one probably NA, second one turbo.

Quote from rane_nbg :

Well, the bite point of clutch is known to be very small in lfs. One has to be very precise, so 8bit (logitech) pedals will not cut it. With 10bits like the ones from thrustmaster, it's a little bit easier, but still quite challenging.

That makes a difference? Very interesting. I once played around with DX-tweak, mainly for the brakes, though. Maybe one could kind of stretch the area of the bite point that way, but it's probably not worth the hassle.

Quote from MousemanLV :

Always drop the clutch bro

Of course. Why should you do it differently than in real life, right? The same with flat shifting.

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Quote from AnnieC :

I tried and I think it's harder than in real life, still not sure if because I can't feel the G-forces or because something is not quite right in how the cars react.

I tried it some more, and I think it's both. In the real world, with a clutch held at a fixed, slipping position, and fixed rpm, the car would gradually pick up speed, which isn't the case in LFS. Not a biggie though, as we hardly ever do this type of driving in LFS. Probably even the cruise-folks regularly dump the clutch to get going... or drive auto.

... in a civil manner, as if you drove your mom in law to the hairdresser?

I've had this sim for years but only tried this recently (with the XR GT), and I get moving, but the rpm drop instantly and it probably wouldn't be a smooth ride at all.

"Your hubby drives like a bully, honey."

Will try some of the other cars now. Maybe even without throttle?

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@Carl, thanks for the setups. They do feel quite good.

Quote from Eclipsed :

Waiter,this soup has something tasty in it,but there is something that ruines it. I don't want to go into details,so bring me other soup!

that analogy pretty much supports the way I deal with LFS... but I get the feeling that wasn't your intention. that's why I quoted you - so you can't edit your post.

calvinaquino: thanks for the suggestions. tried race07 a couple of days ago, and while I think the handling isn't that bad, there's no real 'information' about what the car is doing in the FFB.

as for what's wrong with LFS: there's just no point in writing the same over and over again - it won't be improved. and usually all it leads to is a couple of guys saying "oh, that is how a real car behaves". no, it isn't.

Quote from bishtop :

going by the amount of distance driven and lap times, i would hazard a guess that hes not even tried to set his wheel proper or at least begun too.

are you f'in kidding me?


boys, compare my joining date to yours, read the title again (pay attention to words like AGAIN and REinstalled), read the whole first post again (incl. the more important last paragraph) and then try again, if you have something to say.

... no. Simply no.

Yes, LFS might have some realistic aspects but some stuff is just soooo off it really completely ruins it for me.

Anyway, I'm not going into details. I actually just want to ask what games you know of that are fun to drive with a controller like the G25.

hey, what about increasing the time between being warned of speeding in the pits and getting kicked a bit?
I was in the middle of a 30 laps race (well, it wasn't a race anymore... but I wanted to finish anyway) and then entered the pits with maybe 100 instead of 80 kph and didn't even have the time to hit the brakes; by the time I realized I was too fast and the message appeared on my screen, I got kicked.

why is it necessary to kick pit-speeders anyway?? there already IS a penalty-system. I understand that people who enter the pits with 150 probably do it intentionally to spoil the race... but 100 for a couple of meters??

molocco... cool down, alteeeeer!

no one's really harsh in this thread, right? if you do not agree with me, quote the statements that are IYO over the top against someone who admitted using a cracked version.

@Reiljans: duuuuude... in which universe does this analogy make any sense?

Quote from Senninha25 :

but I'm pretty sure that the way he blabbed about cracking the game means he had no idea it was illegal...

What happened to the world? Aren't the kids taught any feel for what's right and what's wrong anymore?

Quote from JazzOn :

it is stealing...

But he isn't dead xD. Maybe he can be unbanned when he buys a license. He obviously has some talent and it won't be long till he got that spare cash

Talent? I can't draw well myself, but that was mediocre. I think for these pictures you only get money if you sell them at the traffic-lights and have a piece of cardboard that reads "homeless" or something...

And oh yeah... I think as a demo-racer you just have to reregister to be back in the game, right?

wow. this ban came fast...