Quote from Highsider9 :

There you go

Thanks.

Quote from S14 DRIFT :

Or you could just face up to the fact that as a man, you should know how to make it fit into any box without problem! (:

You know what? You're right.
Most of all... when I look at it now, I wonder what the hell was wrong with me!

I've had the G25 for quite some time now, and whenever I stowed it away, I had to stretch the box a bit in order to get all the pieces into it.

Does anyone have a picture of how to neatly pack it up?

Quote from zeugnimod :

Sorry but am I the only one who rofl'd at that?

Yes, probably you are the only one who laughs at someone because he/she doesn't master a foreign language.

Quote from Chupacabras84 :

For me its monotonous killing the game a few laps is enough to get feed up with green landscape and turn off the game.

Quote from -=SB=- :

we've been waiting 2 years for the VWS. Surely it will come this year atleast?

on the phone your date tells you that she'll meet you at the pub at 7pm.
you wait.
at 7.15 she's still not there.
you call her, asking her when she comes.
she says 7.30 and sorry for the delay... she tells you she's got her reasons.
then it's 7.45, still she's not there.
at 8.00 you call her. no answer.
at 8.30 you call her again, maybe a bit upset. you might even leave a message.
no answer.
it's 8.30 and still she's not around.

and now you really think she'll be there at 9.00?????

Quote from ajcham :

Of course I may be wrong, and there may have been other changes to the car of which I am unaware that would make the task far more complicated.

Yep. For example the improved air-condition, the soundsystem and the navi. These mess up the whole balance, fuel consumption and exhaust temperature so much that it'd take years to get it close enough to the real VWS and therefore worthy to be released.

Quote from dadge :

you're even saying it yourself. when, not if.

Good catch.

You can call it a freudian slip or just lack of concentration when writing in a foreign language.

Quote from dadge :

it has (nearly) everything you need to have great races. the only thing missing really is the drivers. but unfortunatley, the Devs do not provide those.

Agreed. Although I think that the devs could do things to attract more drivers. Freshen up things, for example.

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for me, it's pointless bitching about the lack of good servers and then not bothering to join a server or maybe wrangle a few drivers together and join a server.

agreed.

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i'm affraid you're wrong Bandit. it is in fact a matter of "WHEN" [...] and not a matter of "IF". the way i see it.

Errrrmmm.... and you're more right because

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(devs have told us they are working on the patch and much more)

I believe it, when I see it (not what they told us but the actual patch).

Quote from BlueMile :

I don't know about rFactor, and you are surely right. But leave them ducks out of it. Ducks are wonderful animals. Daffy being my favourite.

Daffy rules!
... and there are quite a lot of birds that can swim, walk and fly, by the way. Seems Inouva spends a bit too much time in front of the PC.


As for the waiting... it sure makes sense to wait. I pretty much think, at the moment, the question is not about WHEN the update is release but rather IF.

If you spend your money NOW, you spend it on an old game that isn't all that bad but old. There's ABSOLUTELY NO guaranty that there will be an update ever.
There's nothing wrong with buying an old game, but would you pay 24£ for MS Flight Simulator 2006 now?

Quote from zeugnimod :

You don't, just ignore Tomba.

He apparently hates LFS but for some stupid reason, he still stays on the official forum for a game/sim he doesn't play to warn people and tell them to not buy it.

Are you a fanboy, by any chance?



Edit: And now I just realized that sontikka has already bought S2 meanwhile.

Quote from Thunderhead :

You are a LFS fanatic when despite the fact you terribly suck a LFS, its slow development, and for the most part, a rather, to put it mildly, weird community, you stick around maybe even too much for your own good, becoming one of those same weirdos.

Ha. I just wanted to write "When you still play it"... but your post sums it up quite well.

What about something along the lines of:

If you still believe there will be a major update sometime.

Quote from FireMike15 :

You are a LFS Fanatic, if You have over 40 LFS Videos on your mobile and watching them in a borring lesson in school...

Well, actually that makes you just an average dumb teen of today. Ok, it's still better to have LFS videos than something like a porn your classmates did or a video of the last time you and your peers beat someone to a pulp.

I haven't posted anything here for quite sometime. Thought I come back when there's something new. But hey, it's been just too long.

I'm not whining or anything. I don't care about LFS anymore. Bought the G25 only for this game and now it's collecting dust... but life has other things to offer.

ANYWAY... the basic feeling I get when I look at the development is: We're all being fooled. LFS development is dead but pretended to be still alive so licenses can still be sold at the same price as years ago (seriously, if you buy a license now, it is so freaking overpriced it hurts).

What tells you that it isn't so?

WHEELtorque.

Quote from marsaz :

Peak power and peak torque points give you some idea of optimal gear change points whereabouts.

No.

Quote from marsaz :

Skill is what separates better drivers from worse.

The ability and willingness to read/listen to, think about and try to understand what others write/say separates more valuable discussion partners from less valuable ones.

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If you can't figure out your gearshifts with the available amount of information and unlimited practice time chances are you have none.

If you haven't figured out what determines the shiftpoints with the available amount of information in this thread by now, chances are you're just not able to understand.

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Try harder if you can't or give up and use automatic gearbox.

Try harder if you can't or shut up.

Quote from Zen321 :

@ Bandit77 : Of course you can not tell the ideal shift point solely by ear only. Buttfeel also helps a lot. However I'm pretty sure no human can nail every gear at the exact shift point.

It was well explained by Tristan and Android. I think we don't have to doubt the truth on every new page again.

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Moreover, as someone pointed out, if you shift when the light comes up, you are already shifting too late : at the moment it lights up you should already have switched to the next gear.

If the shiftlight tells you where to shift (or should have shifted) once, you know it the next time. Once the gears are set, these points do not change anymore... only if the powercurve changes, which it doesn't in LFS.

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If it's possible to shift +/- 200 rpm away from the "optimal" shift point on a bike without tacho or shift lights, I'm pretty sure it's possible in LFS too.

How would you know it's the ideal shiftpoint?

And I say it again: most production cars and the very most production bikes have their powerpeak close to the redline and fairly long gears which would result in a theoretical ideal shiftpoint after the redline or even limiter, so you shift at the redline anyway.

Dooooooooode, that was brilliant.


... and I'm so glad I didn't have to write it because I have tendonitis.

Quote from danthebangerboy :

Those shift points that auto gears chooses are terrible for racing IMO, especially while cornering, as all the autogears do is hold the car in a too higher gear so the engine is going 'AAAHHHHHH!!ONE' until you are out of the corner.

dude, you do realize that by saying shiftPOINT I'm referring to a certain amount of revs, not a certain point on the track?

Quote from J@tko :

You can probably remember vaugely where the shift light was from the old patch. eg the FZ5 is right on the rev limiter, whereas the XRT is about 500rpm off. They're close enough for decent racing

it changes with the gear-ratio. that's what all the fuzz is about.

but the easiest way to see where the shiftpoints are, is to drive a lap with auto-tranny.

Quote from Ger Roady :

Something different than multiquote posts for narrow-minded netherlands? No !

what?

Quote from Becky Rose :

I was previously aware of everything you just said Tristan, with the exception of lost time per lap - which you've underestimated a little.

Actually, this also depends on the powercurve. If it drops instantly to 0 withing a couple of revs after the ideal shiftpoint, you'd better not miss it. If the powercurve is relatively flat, it's not THAT critical. And the LFS road cars appear to have quite flat curves around peak power.

Quote from CSU1 :

and TBH I always always seem to be slower out of the corners than anyone else when getting on the throttle is the only difference between me and the car in front.

you DO use locked diff, do you?

it feels totally shitty and undermines the point of this game that wants to be a simulator, but if you want to be quick out of the corners, it's a must.

heel and toe doesn't make you faster. most of all not when accelerating because then you don't do it. manual shifting CAN make you faster. it appears to me that shifting the G25 is quicker than semi-auto.

basically, you really have to ask yourself the question: do you want to have an experience as realistic as possible or do you want to be competitive?

gear-ratios are pretty much negligible, as long as you don't do any extreme stuff. sometimes, however, it seems to be a good thing to have a gear that exactly matches the most important bends, i.e. you're at a good rev to accelerate out of the corner.

"When to shift" is a topic where the majority has an opinion that's a mix of factoids - "you can shift by ear" being one of them.

The way the LFS shiftlight worked and interacted with the gear-ratios illustrated nicely which factors determine the ideal shiftpoint.

The truth is what does not contradict facts that are acknowledged as true.

The factoid of finding the ideal shiftpoint by ear can be disproved with one simple example - provided the audience understands the logic behind it (or simple logic at all) and knows a bit about powercurves and stuff.

... which is not the case. I may sound like an arrogant prick (which doesn't bother me at the end of the day), but there really is no point in explaining things to people who don't even read the posts.

Quote from thisnameistaken :

Sure it does. If the pitch is increasing quickly then you're accelerating quickly, if the pitch increase starts to slow down, try shifting up.

I don't know if it makes any sense at all to explain it. I mean, if you really thought about it and/or questioned the/your logic behind it, you'd realize yourself that it's bollocks. If you don't, then explaining it is a waste of time.

Quote from hrtburnout :

The engine sound tells you when you need to shift. Real men don't need a shift light.

That's actually BS, and I pretty much expected someone would say something like this.

How would the sound of the engine tell you anything about the next gear?

The sound can tell you when you'd better shift to avoid engine damage, or - if you already know the ideal shiftpoint - give you a hint because you remember the pitch, but the sound of the engine tells you nothing about the powercurve and gear ratios.

No shiftlight for roadcars anymore?

I just downloaded and installed the latest patch. Did I just not see it or is the shiftlight gone?

I mean, ok, most real roadcars don't have a shiftlight, probably because they - as opposed to the LFS casrs - need to be shifted not before the red line anyway, BUT I think if you went on a racing track with serious intentions you would want to know where the ideal shiftpoint is... so you would at least have some data from dynoruns.

Apart from that the ABS is cool, as you definitely do not feel the brakes in simulations. And the arrow that shows you in which direction you have to leave the pits is nice too.

Quote from NightShift :

Maybe I'm reading too much into the physics update report, but I think it suggests locked diffs will become a thing of the past. With anti-dive/anti-squat, and realistic sets, even open diffs may become more interesting!

Yes mate, that really sounded fantastic, didn't it?