As genuine New Zealander I don't think you have *any* clue what its all about. You should be banned for pointless spamming.
Ssuuurreee... Name one British soldier which fought on the German side.. You really believe this Putin nonsense do you?
As genuine New Zealander I don't think you have *any* clue what its all about. You should be banned for pointless spamming.
Ssuuurreee... Name one British soldier which fought on the German side.. You really believe this Putin nonsense do you?
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That is why Separatists should be stopped with civil war escalation like Serbians in Croatia and Bosnia before they commit war crimes in "fury of struggle with fascism, nazism" and other -isms, like they did against "Ustash" Croatians and Bosnians.
Putin said yesterday that foreign forces are battling in the Ukraine isn't it? Well it's true, they are foreign and coming from Russia. Not Britain.
And the same is happening @Georgia, Dagestan, Kazachstan, Crimea, Abhezia and some other regions
Or are you going to blame USA/Britain also for all that? Basically the whole south and west side of Russia is one big warzone because Russia feels that its being "attacked". The only one which is attacking is Russia. Poor Ukraine
.. Russia failed badly with Tsetsenia but doesn't give up... Never learn..The above post makes no Mention of Canada..did you answer his query? When was yesterday..what if someone reads this 10 days from now..
Cargame, wot u smoking dude ?
US Military Times, June 5 2014
Pentagon spokeswoman Eileen Lainez said senior U.S. defense officials met with senior Ukrainian officials earlier this week to discuss “ways our countries could strengthen our long-term defense cooperation to help Ukraine build highly effective armed forces and defense institutions.”
Lainez said that assessment is being viewed as a first step toward helping to “shape and establish an enduring program for future U.S. efforts to support the Ukrainian military through training, education, and assistance.”
http://www.militarytimes.com/article/20140605/NEWS08/306050088/U-S-sending-advisers-military-gear-Ukraine
Washington Times, 22 July 2014
the Defense Department intends to begin looking for an innovative way to bolster the army of the former Soviet bloc country.
Steven Pifer, a national security analyst for the Brookings Institution, said the international incident should be a clear sign to the Obama administration that now is the time to supply lethal weaponry.
Mr. Pifer, head of Brookings’ arms control initiative who served as U.S. ambassador to Ukraine from 1998 to 2000, said the Ukrainians need light anti-armor weapons and manned portable air defense systems to keep the Russians at bay.
http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2014/jul/22/pentagon-team-dispatched-to-ukraine-amid-crisis-wi/#ixzz3Q0DRkrDI
The Harper government is seeking deeper ties with Ukraine's Kiev junta , and has signed an agreement aimed at broad military cooperation. As part of this agreement, Canada has sent a team that will seek training opportunities with Ukrainian forces in the areas of military police, medical personnel and "personal protective measures," although, according to the CBC report, neither the minister of Defense, Rob Nicholson, nor the Department of National Defence "could (would?) say what that meant in practical terms."
As we wrote in August, Nato appears to be setting the stage for a proxy war with Russia , a project in which Canada is a full participant. As a correspondent identified as Larchmonter 445 quoted by the Saker asks:
In the context of US cruise missiles into Poland and 100 US tanks into Latvia, also right on the Russian border, how do you interpret these developments?
And then adds that with Canadian military police in Kiev:
(security apparatus hardening, in my view) and 1000 US military advisers on the ground with Ukie troops, and inside the command and control of their military, I see this as the two proxy armies facing off behind a mere mask. Do you see the 'boots on the ground' as sacrifices the Hegemon is prepared to make (for surely the Russians don't care who's inside the battle zone they must dominate or they will be defeated)?
US Military Times, June 5 2014
Pentagon spokeswoman Eileen Lainez said senior U.S. defense officials met with senior Ukrainian officials earlier this week to discuss “ways our countries could strengthen our long-term defense cooperation to help Ukraine build highly effective armed forces and defense institutions.”
Lainez said that assessment is being viewed as a first step toward helping to “shape and establish an enduring program for future U.S. efforts to support the Ukrainian military through training, education, and assistance.”
http://www.militarytimes.com/article/20140605/NEWS08/306050088/U-S-sending-advisers-military-gear-Ukraine
Washington Times, 22 July 2014
the Defense Department intends to begin looking for an innovative way to bolster the army of the former Soviet bloc country.
Steven Pifer, a national security analyst for the Brookings Institution, said the international incident should be a clear sign to the Obama administration that now is the time to supply lethal weaponry.
Mr. Pifer, head of Brookings’ arms control initiative who served as U.S. ambassador to Ukraine from 1998 to 2000, said the Ukrainians need light anti-armor weapons and manned portable air defense systems to keep the Russians at bay.
http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2014/jul/22/pentagon-team-dispatched-to-ukraine-amid-crisis-wi/#ixzz3Q0DRkrDI
The Harper government is seeking deeper ties with Ukraine's Kiev junta , and has signed an agreement aimed at broad military cooperation. As part of this agreement, Canada has sent a team that will seek training opportunities with Ukrainian forces in the areas of military police, medical personnel and "personal protective measures," although, according to the CBC report, neither the minister of Defense, Rob Nicholson, nor the Department of National Defence "could (would?) say what that meant in practical terms."
As we wrote in August, Nato appears to be setting the stage for a proxy war with Russia , a project in which Canada is a full participant. As a correspondent identified as Larchmonter 445 quoted by the Saker asks:
In the context of US cruise missiles into Poland and 100 US tanks into Latvia, also right on the Russian border, how do you interpret these developments?
And then adds that with Canadian military police in Kiev:
(security apparatus hardening, in my view) and 1000 US military advisers on the ground with Ukie troops, and inside the command and control of their military, I see this as the two proxy armies facing off behind a mere mask. Do you see the 'boots on the ground' as sacrifices the Hegemon is prepared to make (for surely the Russians don't care who's inside the battle zone they must dominate or they will be defeated)?
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Yesterday was the day before the timestamp of when that particular posting was submitted. (Yes this can be tricky to understand in Twitter/Facebook world nowadays)
I quit smoking but thanks for caring. The rest of your post I couldn't decipher. People wearing thin foil often need a lot of words. A -lot-. I wonder whats the reason behind this. I get the idea it's like "if I give enough text then somewhere I probably write something which is true".
Simple explaination for you, The US military, State Department, and Washington Times are crazy conspiracy theorists who claim US and Canadian forces are operating in Ukraine.
As, after all, you must be right and everyone else wrong.
As, after all, you must be right and everyone else wrong.
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I'd strongly suggest people try reading this article on why Russia must be demonised in the western media. It actually is an interesting psycological explaination for the 'brainwashing' currently carried out by western media, and that some people seem highly suseptable to .
http://www.thenation.com/article/178344/distorting-russia#
As a prime example, cargames inability to accept the US State Department and US Military stating that the US has troops operating in Ukraine and instead claiming its Russian propoganda that he refuses to listen too .........
"Parsons was Winston's fellow employee at the Ministry of Truth. He was a fattish but active man of paralyzing stupidity, a mass of imbecile enthusiasms—one of those completely unquestioning, devoted drudges on whom, more even than on the thought police, the stability of the Party depended."
workitout.com
"Not surprisingly, in January The Wall Street Journal featured the widely discredited former president of Georgia, Mikheil Saakashvili, branding Putin’s government as one of “deceit, violence and cynicism,” with the Kremlin a “nerve center of the troubles that bedevil the West.” But wanton Putin-bashing is also the dominant narrative in centrist, liberal and progressive media, from the Post, Times and The New Republic to CNN, MSNBC and HBO’s Real Time With Bill Maher, where Howard Dean, not previously known for his Russia expertise, recently declared, to the panel’s approval, “Vladimir Putin is a thug.”
The media therefore eagerly await Putin’s downfall—due to his “failing economy” (some of its indicators are better than US ones), the valor of street protesters and other right-minded oppositionists (whose policies are rarely examined), the defection of his electorate (his approval ratings remain around 65 percent) or some welcomed “cataclysm.” Evidently believing, as does the Times, for example, that democrats and a “much better future” will succeed Putin (not zealous ultranationalists growing in the streets and corridors of power), US commentators remain indifferent to what the hoped-for “destabilization of his regime” might mean in the world’s largest nuclear country.
A new Cold War divide between West and East may now be unfolding, not in Berlin but in the heart of Russia’s historical civilization. The result could be a permanent confrontation fraught with instability and the threat of a hot war far worse than the one in Georgia in 2008. These dangers have been all but ignored in highly selective, partisan and inflammatory US media accounts, which portray the European Union’s “Partnership” proposal benignly as Ukraine’s chance for democracy, prosperity and escape from Russia, thwarted only by a “bullying” Putin and his “cronies” in Kiev."
This will be well beyond cargames word limit, but I'm now talking to people with brains. For those of us growing up in the 60's, 70's nuclear war was a real threat. Not a game, not something that would never happen but actually real. We're now there again because some people believe in 'end times', either that or they're really stupid. Nuclear war is not a joke, not a game. There's no reason for it, we can all get on, more than enough for all of us. It's up to all of us to stop it..
As this is the stage we're nearly at, but, some people just want Armageddon cus some book tells them that they 'win'.
Or, hey, speaking as a buddhist, WTF, burn baby burn..........
EDIT: 29/1. A current update for those interested in trying to discover the facts.
“We’re in a fog of war—an expression coming from, I think, World War I, when news reports had become innacurate news reports—misinformation, disinformation from all sides,” Cohen said. “It fueled the war by fueling unwise political decisions. What we do know, though, is your listeners can pull out their calendars and mark down the fighting that began this weekend and continues today…as another fateful lost opportunity in this Ukranian Crisis.”
http://www.thenation.com/blog/195761/stephen-cohen-ukraine-fog-war
http://www.thenation.com/article/178344/distorting-russia#
As a prime example, cargames inability to accept the US State Department and US Military stating that the US has troops operating in Ukraine and instead claiming its Russian propoganda that he refuses to listen too .........
"Parsons was Winston's fellow employee at the Ministry of Truth. He was a fattish but active man of paralyzing stupidity, a mass of imbecile enthusiasms—one of those completely unquestioning, devoted drudges on whom, more even than on the thought police, the stability of the Party depended."
workitout.com
"Not surprisingly, in January The Wall Street Journal featured the widely discredited former president of Georgia, Mikheil Saakashvili, branding Putin’s government as one of “deceit, violence and cynicism,” with the Kremlin a “nerve center of the troubles that bedevil the West.” But wanton Putin-bashing is also the dominant narrative in centrist, liberal and progressive media, from the Post, Times and The New Republic to CNN, MSNBC and HBO’s Real Time With Bill Maher, where Howard Dean, not previously known for his Russia expertise, recently declared, to the panel’s approval, “Vladimir Putin is a thug.”
The media therefore eagerly await Putin’s downfall—due to his “failing economy” (some of its indicators are better than US ones), the valor of street protesters and other right-minded oppositionists (whose policies are rarely examined), the defection of his electorate (his approval ratings remain around 65 percent) or some welcomed “cataclysm.” Evidently believing, as does the Times, for example, that democrats and a “much better future” will succeed Putin (not zealous ultranationalists growing in the streets and corridors of power), US commentators remain indifferent to what the hoped-for “destabilization of his regime” might mean in the world’s largest nuclear country.
A new Cold War divide between West and East may now be unfolding, not in Berlin but in the heart of Russia’s historical civilization. The result could be a permanent confrontation fraught with instability and the threat of a hot war far worse than the one in Georgia in 2008. These dangers have been all but ignored in highly selective, partisan and inflammatory US media accounts, which portray the European Union’s “Partnership” proposal benignly as Ukraine’s chance for democracy, prosperity and escape from Russia, thwarted only by a “bullying” Putin and his “cronies” in Kiev."
This will be well beyond cargames word limit, but I'm now talking to people with brains. For those of us growing up in the 60's, 70's nuclear war was a real threat. Not a game, not something that would never happen but actually real. We're now there again because some people believe in 'end times', either that or they're really stupid. Nuclear war is not a joke, not a game. There's no reason for it, we can all get on, more than enough for all of us. It's up to all of us to stop it..
As this is the stage we're nearly at, but, some people just want Armageddon cus some book tells them that they 'win'.
Or, hey, speaking as a buddhist, WTF, burn baby burn..........
EDIT: 29/1. A current update for those interested in trying to discover the facts.
“We’re in a fog of war—an expression coming from, I think, World War I, when news reports had become innacurate news reports—misinformation, disinformation from all sides,” Cohen said. “It fueled the war by fueling unwise political decisions. What we do know, though, is your listeners can pull out their calendars and mark down the fighting that began this weekend and continues today…as another fateful lost opportunity in this Ukranian Crisis.”
http://www.thenation.com/blog/195761/stephen-cohen-ukraine-fog-war
I refuse to listen to anything anyway, I am just looking at the bigger picture. It all started when the Ukraine as a whole started to lean towards Europe too much isn't it? Yes it is. This triggered the soul of the Russians / Putin too much. A big part of Russia and the older people still believe that they are USSR. Well, guess what. They are not. And if you look at this map;
And then -especially the green circled region... So much conflict there. Chechnya in special, but also Georgia. Those regions have nothing to do with EU or US. All these area's are in conflict with Russia. How is this possible hhmm? Maybe Russia/Kreml wants to keep a little bit too much control over these now "independent" countries.
Putin is an **** anyway to let civilians who have nothing to do with this situation just rot in the field. Only thing he cares about is money and image. Look how busy he is with Olympic Games, World championship football or Formula One. Oh its so important. But his own people? Dont give a fck about them.
For some people...there might never be enough information who really lead to connecting the dots.
Cargame says he refuses to listen to anything anyway. Indeed.. and still he is able he says to connect the dots? You are not, otherwise you wouldn't have this opinion.
USA dollar is as dead as ever possible, huge debts. monetary system is dead.. some have tried to change it in history remember? As a result they got mysteriously killed, watch a Kennedy or a Lincoln.
Back the money up by Gold or Silver again to create a more honest monetary system, like we had in the old days in this world.
USA is locating rocket systems in Czech and Poland, why? the BRICS nations are planning to leave the Dollar as the world currency and setting up a new IMF backed by Gold. China is buying all the gold they can, Germany asked their Gold back from the USA, which the USA refused! (HINT NSA spied on Merkel recentely remember? Some people say that Germany also wants a different monetary system and goes along with Russia. This existing monetary system is fake a nearing its death. (If you would have done any research you would have noticed even western countries are noticing this. This new (EUROPEAN decision) to create 1100 trillion Euro out of shit is like a spartling fish on dry land! Which other countries tried to get rid of the Dollar? Oh yes.. all the ones that are invaded by the usa lately under false flag attacks. like lybia who wanted the Gold Dinar in Afrika and all the invaded oil countries.
Putin may live in a different Culture, the culture is much harder than in the average Europe but you should look at te facts and stop believing western controlled media! But you should praise him for what he is doing, he is the next who tries to get rid of that criminal and enslaving system we are in right now.
Cargame, you dont have your facts right nor the information needed to judge on this. Especially if you only read controlled western propoganda.
China has become the biggest economy in the world, and usa is losing power. This is not acceptable for them as there dollar will be worth less and less. History proves the usa can only solve things in their favor.. not even of the usa civilian's favor by making war. The country is dominated by the banking system, cia and military industrial complex.
The true aggressors here are the usa and isreal.. as ever. The biggest problem is that people dont like or dare to change what they believe in. Foreign is frightning... but yes even the 'dominant' west could be wrong. The media has built this so called enemy 'the islam' for such a long time now that it's hard to make people believe differently. People go to work.. read newspaper (controlled media / propoganda) come home are tired.. lucky to have sex with wife, go sleep and same ritual again.
You as a Dutch man should wonder why your government dont give away details about MH17, whould wonder why they made secret negotiations with other countries you are not aware off. Should wonder what really happened with the same plane in the indian ocean. Has it landed on the USA/UK controlled air base Diego Garcia and was it used to create another false flag attack.
I even dare to go much further. The whole 9/11 story is a complete fake set up. This is scary you know.. because innocent people were killed. Now even if somebody really feels sad about this, one would want to find out what happened to fight the true enemy. What is your explanation for building 7 Cargame? I think people should wake up and be a real man to fight what should be fought! and dont only try to save their individual ass. Continuiing the way we do now is nearing a dead end anyway and wont save anybody. I dare to say that people resisting to see the true picture are supporting the aggressors. They accept many palistinos get killed while we only read in the western media that Isreal has been attacked. Its damn fake.. there are much more casualties on the other side.. but nobody get to know this. People should be ashamed they dont want to see the truth.
Cargame says he refuses to listen to anything anyway. Indeed.. and still he is able he says to connect the dots? You are not, otherwise you wouldn't have this opinion.
USA dollar is as dead as ever possible, huge debts. monetary system is dead.. some have tried to change it in history remember? As a result they got mysteriously killed, watch a Kennedy or a Lincoln.
Back the money up by Gold or Silver again to create a more honest monetary system, like we had in the old days in this world.
USA is locating rocket systems in Czech and Poland, why? the BRICS nations are planning to leave the Dollar as the world currency and setting up a new IMF backed by Gold. China is buying all the gold they can, Germany asked their Gold back from the USA, which the USA refused! (HINT NSA spied on Merkel recentely remember? Some people say that Germany also wants a different monetary system and goes along with Russia. This existing monetary system is fake a nearing its death. (If you would have done any research you would have noticed even western countries are noticing this. This new (EUROPEAN decision) to create 1100 trillion Euro out of shit is like a spartling fish on dry land! Which other countries tried to get rid of the Dollar? Oh yes.. all the ones that are invaded by the usa lately under false flag attacks. like lybia who wanted the Gold Dinar in Afrika and all the invaded oil countries.
Putin may live in a different Culture, the culture is much harder than in the average Europe but you should look at te facts and stop believing western controlled media! But you should praise him for what he is doing, he is the next who tries to get rid of that criminal and enslaving system we are in right now.
Cargame, you dont have your facts right nor the information needed to judge on this. Especially if you only read controlled western propoganda.
China has become the biggest economy in the world, and usa is losing power. This is not acceptable for them as there dollar will be worth less and less. History proves the usa can only solve things in their favor.. not even of the usa civilian's favor by making war. The country is dominated by the banking system, cia and military industrial complex.
The true aggressors here are the usa and isreal.. as ever. The biggest problem is that people dont like or dare to change what they believe in. Foreign is frightning... but yes even the 'dominant' west could be wrong. The media has built this so called enemy 'the islam' for such a long time now that it's hard to make people believe differently. People go to work.. read newspaper (controlled media / propoganda) come home are tired.. lucky to have sex with wife, go sleep and same ritual again.
You as a Dutch man should wonder why your government dont give away details about MH17, whould wonder why they made secret negotiations with other countries you are not aware off. Should wonder what really happened with the same plane in the indian ocean. Has it landed on the USA/UK controlled air base Diego Garcia and was it used to create another false flag attack.
I even dare to go much further. The whole 9/11 story is a complete fake set up. This is scary you know.. because innocent people were killed. Now even if somebody really feels sad about this, one would want to find out what happened to fight the true enemy. What is your explanation for building 7 Cargame? I think people should wake up and be a real man to fight what should be fought! and dont only try to save their individual ass. Continuiing the way we do now is nearing a dead end anyway and wont save anybody. I dare to say that people resisting to see the true picture are supporting the aggressors. They accept many palistinos get killed while we only read in the western media that Isreal has been attacked. Its damn fake.. there are much more casualties on the other side.. but nobody get to know this. People should be ashamed they dont want to see the truth.
Why did you created a new account? Are they after you?
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>dollar is kill
>"false flag" attacks
>9/11 was inside job
> usa and israel is to blame for everything
Since when do you have rossiya 1 TV channel in New Zealand, you delusional moron?
>"false flag" attacks
>9/11 was inside job
> usa and israel is to blame for everything
Since when do you have rossiya 1 TV channel in New Zealand, you delusional moron?
Much as I'd like to claim credit that's clearly someone who doesn't want to use their real id, I always do !
Not sure about the 'no longer welcome' bit though.
Edit ! hmmm, this seems strangely relevent.... Given the current editing
And for an economic view of the Ukraine issue, try reading this. It affects all Europeans.
http://russia-insider.com/en/2015/01/28/2877
The structure developed in such a way that the Ukraine retained its status as a major transit country for Russian gas and became a sort of gas reservoir for Europe. With the advent of TEP, under any new contract Gazprom had to halve its gas supplies to the EU or sell half of the volume to the Ukraine on the Russian border.
Simply put, Russia ultimately was expected to pay from its own pocket the cost of the Ukrainian coup and the formation of a Russophobic government in Kiev. That is why the United States initially tried to bail out Naftogaz of Ukraine. The son of U.S. Vice-President Joe Biden even became a member of the Ukrainian gas monopoly’s board.
Vladimir Putin’s visit to Ankara and his agreement with Recep Tayyip Erdoğan on the construction of Turkish Stream has put paid to all that. The role of European transit country has now shifted to Turkey; moreover, in accordance with TEP rules, to fulfill a contract all Gazprom has to do is deliver the gas to the EU border. Moving it any farther is not Gazprom’s responsibility.
Not sure about the 'no longer welcome' bit though.
Edit ! hmmm, this seems strangely relevent.... Given the current editing
And for an economic view of the Ukraine issue, try reading this. It affects all Europeans.
http://russia-insider.com/en/2015/01/28/2877
The structure developed in such a way that the Ukraine retained its status as a major transit country for Russian gas and became a sort of gas reservoir for Europe. With the advent of TEP, under any new contract Gazprom had to halve its gas supplies to the EU or sell half of the volume to the Ukraine on the Russian border.
Simply put, Russia ultimately was expected to pay from its own pocket the cost of the Ukrainian coup and the formation of a Russophobic government in Kiev. That is why the United States initially tried to bail out Naftogaz of Ukraine. The son of U.S. Vice-President Joe Biden even became a member of the Ukrainian gas monopoly’s board.
Vladimir Putin’s visit to Ankara and his agreement with Recep Tayyip Erdoğan on the construction of Turkish Stream has put paid to all that. The role of European transit country has now shifted to Turkey; moreover, in accordance with TEP rules, to fulfill a contract all Gazprom has to do is deliver the gas to the EU border. Moving it any farther is not Gazprom’s responsibility.
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On September 5, the Contact Group — held talks in Minsk, which led to Kiev and pro-Russia fighters agreeing on a 12-point peace plan, known as the Minsk Protocol.
However, the truce has been violated almost daily by both the Ukrainian military and pro-Russia forces.
On Friday, another round of talks in Minsk was cancelled following Kiev’s refusal to attend the meeting.
“The Foreign Ministry of Belarus confirmed today that Kiev (representatives) won’t come. The talks have been cancelled,” Pushilin, told reporters in the Belarusian capital.
http://wakeupfromyourslumber.com/latest-round-of-ukraine-peace-talks-fall-through/
Edit 2/2: This links for Cargame and anyone else who only believes 'unbiased' Western Media Not that you'll read it of course......
http://www.digitaljournal.com/news/world/editor-of-major-german-newspaper-says-he-planted-stories-for-cia/article/424470
Dr. Udo Ulfkotte, the editor of Frankfurter Allgemeine Zeitung, one of Germany's largest newspapers, said in an interview that he accepted news stories written and given to him by the CIA and published them under his own name. Ulfkotte said the aim of much of the deception was to drive nations toward war.
Dr. Ulfkotte says the corruption of journalists and major news outlets by the CIA is routine, accepted, and widespread in the western media, and that journalists who do not comply either cannot get jobs at any news organization, or find their careers cut short.
However, the truce has been violated almost daily by both the Ukrainian military and pro-Russia forces.
On Friday, another round of talks in Minsk was cancelled following Kiev’s refusal to attend the meeting.
“The Foreign Ministry of Belarus confirmed today that Kiev (representatives) won’t come. The talks have been cancelled,” Pushilin, told reporters in the Belarusian capital.
http://wakeupfromyourslumber.com/latest-round-of-ukraine-peace-talks-fall-through/
Edit 2/2: This links for Cargame and anyone else who only believes 'unbiased' Western Media
Not that you'll read it of course......http://www.digitaljournal.com/news/world/editor-of-major-german-newspaper-says-he-planted-stories-for-cia/article/424470
Dr. Udo Ulfkotte, the editor of Frankfurter Allgemeine Zeitung, one of Germany's largest newspapers, said in an interview that he accepted news stories written and given to him by the CIA and published them under his own name. Ulfkotte said the aim of much of the deception was to drive nations toward war.
Dr. Ulfkotte says the corruption of journalists and major news outlets by the CIA is routine, accepted, and widespread in the western media, and that journalists who do not comply either cannot get jobs at any news organization, or find their careers cut short.
First of all, lets look at the Press conference of the 'Freedom Fighters' from last Fridays aborted 'Peace Conference', as I'm sure that that never got reported. If you actually want to hear facts, then listen to this.
http://www.themoscowtimes.com/news/article/ukraine-peace-talks-aborted-as-civilians-killed-in-donetsk/515175.html
TL:DL Ukraine refused to negotiate !
Now, lets take a brief detour for a bit of US military history
Golden Hawks
Five years ago in the American army had massive layoffs, in which most of the officers went work in a private military company. According to Murahovskogo, Mike on the shoulder patch is only a commemorative trophy from the first Aviation Brigade.
http://reflexion-shades.blogspot.co.nz/2014/06/man-commander-of-fighting-in-ukraine.html
Now, lets take a look at the latest video from the Ukraine, and a quick look at this from the three minute mark.
So, clearly a private company can have no relationship with the US Govt can they, and I'm sure they are here because they love freedom and apple pie........
Academi continues to provide security services to the United States federal government on a contractual basis. The Obama administration contracted the group to provide services for the CIA for $250 million.[8] In 2013, Academi subsidiary International Development Solutions received an approximately $92 million contract for State Department security guards.[9]
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Academi
And, here's the Guardian calling for WW part 3
(FYI, see my post above for details on US control of the Western Media)
Vladimir Putin is the Slobodan Milošević of the former Soviet Union: as bad, but bigger. Behind a smokescreen of lies he has renewed his drive to carve out a puppet para-state in eastern Ukraine.
(Important edit: See below for the US admitting that this is their game, nothing to do with 'Russian' aggression !)
Innocent bystanders are killed in the Black Sea port of Mariupol. In besieged Debaltseve, a woman scoops water from a giant puddle in the road. The rubble that was once Donetsk airport recalls a scene from martyred Syria. About 5,000 people have already been killed in this armed conflict, and more than 500,000 uprooted. Preoccupied by Greece and the eurozone, Europe is letting another Bosnia happen in its own front yard. Wake up, Europe. If we have learned anything from our own history, Putin must be stopped. But how?
(Another edit: Stopped from what ?, Ukraine has for years been a part of Russia, they had independence. As Obama admits below, this is an USA game !)
http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2015/feb/01/putin-stopped-ukraine-military-support-russian-propaganda
So the West must arm the Ukraine with weapons systems ........ But, why ?
This all makes perfect sense, except...Who's supposed to use these guns to fight Putin's invisible Russian army? The Ukrainians? They don't want them. Ukraine's Ministry of Defense says that in the latest mobilization, only 20% of those called up for service reported for duty. More than one million Ukrainian men of military age are now refugees in Russia. Mothers don't want to send their sons to die in a pointless war against an enemy that doesn't exist, and who could blame them?
http://russia-insider.com/en/2015/02/02/3032
Even Obama has now stated this is a US power play !
In an interview with CNN’s Fareed Zakaria, Barack Obama acknowledged that the United States had "brokered a deal to transition power in Ukraine," thus admitting to a high level of democratic impropriety.
http://rt.com/op-edge/228379-obama-power-transition-ukraine/
In another softball interview with CNN’s Zakaria, billionaire George Soros last May coolly admitted: “I set up a foundation in Ukraine before Ukraine became independent of Russia. And the foundation has been functioning ever since and played an important part in events now.”
Certainly those billions of dollars weren’t spent just on humanitarian work, like distributing pastries to the Ukrainian rabble gathered on Independence Square. After all, the crucial question as to who would lend Ukraine a multi-billion dollar rescue package was the elephant parked on Maidan that few talked about.
So, why do we need WW part 3 ?, surely any issues can be negotiated.
The rebels want to negotiate !, why doesn't the US want to talk ?
http://www.themoscowtimes.com/news/article/ukraine-peace-talks-aborted-as-civilians-killed-in-donetsk/515175.html
TL:DL Ukraine refused to negotiate !
Now, lets take a brief detour for a bit of US military history
Golden Hawks
Five years ago in the American army had massive layoffs, in which most of the officers went work in a private military company. According to Murahovskogo, Mike on the shoulder patch is only a commemorative trophy from the first Aviation Brigade.
http://reflexion-shades.blogspot.co.nz/2014/06/man-commander-of-fighting-in-ukraine.html
Now, lets take a look at the latest video from the Ukraine, and a quick look at this from the three minute mark.
So, clearly a private company can have no relationship with the US Govt can they
, and I'm sure they are here because they love freedom and apple pie........Academi continues to provide security services to the United States federal government on a contractual basis. The Obama administration contracted the group to provide services for the CIA for $250 million.[8] In 2013, Academi subsidiary International Development Solutions received an approximately $92 million contract for State Department security guards.[9]
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Academi
And, here's the Guardian calling for WW part 3
(FYI, see my post above for details on US control of the Western Media)
Vladimir Putin is the Slobodan Milošević of the former Soviet Union: as bad, but bigger. Behind a smokescreen of lies he has renewed his drive to carve out a puppet para-state in eastern Ukraine.
(Important edit: See below for the US admitting that this is their game, nothing to do with 'Russian' aggression !)
Innocent bystanders are killed in the Black Sea port of Mariupol. In besieged Debaltseve, a woman scoops water from a giant puddle in the road. The rubble that was once Donetsk airport recalls a scene from martyred Syria. About 5,000 people have already been killed in this armed conflict, and more than 500,000 uprooted. Preoccupied by Greece and the eurozone, Europe is letting another Bosnia happen in its own front yard. Wake up, Europe. If we have learned anything from our own history, Putin must be stopped. But how?
(Another edit: Stopped from what ?, Ukraine has for years been a part of Russia, they had independence. As Obama admits below, this is an USA game !)
http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2015/feb/01/putin-stopped-ukraine-military-support-russian-propaganda
So the West must arm the Ukraine with weapons systems ........ But, why ?
This all makes perfect sense, except...Who's supposed to use these guns to fight Putin's invisible Russian army? The Ukrainians? They don't want them. Ukraine's Ministry of Defense says that in the latest mobilization, only 20% of those called up for service reported for duty. More than one million Ukrainian men of military age are now refugees in Russia. Mothers don't want to send their sons to die in a pointless war against an enemy that doesn't exist, and who could blame them?
http://russia-insider.com/en/2015/02/02/3032
Even Obama has now stated this is a US power play !
In an interview with CNN’s Fareed Zakaria, Barack Obama acknowledged that the United States had "brokered a deal to transition power in Ukraine," thus admitting to a high level of democratic impropriety.
http://rt.com/op-edge/228379-obama-power-transition-ukraine/
In another softball interview with CNN’s Zakaria, billionaire George Soros last May coolly admitted: “I set up a foundation in Ukraine before Ukraine became independent of Russia. And the foundation has been functioning ever since and played an important part in events now.”
Certainly those billions of dollars weren’t spent just on humanitarian work, like distributing pastries to the Ukrainian rabble gathered on Independence Square. After all, the crucial question as to who would lend Ukraine a multi-billion dollar rescue package was the elephant parked on Maidan that few talked about.
So, why do we need WW part 3 ?, surely any issues can be negotiated.
The rebels want to negotiate !, why doesn't the US want to talk ?
No shit, Sherlock... private company's uniforms from massive layoffs that went from hand to hand to lose traits to be sold in second hand...
Thank you , Obama, well done!
Well said!
True, true. Well said again...
And now Sherlock, you have completely f###cked up...
Here you go...
Donetsk airport before the war (built in 2007)
Donetsk airport several days ago...
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"Invisible Russian army"... No shit, Sherlock... here you go, in Russian tv, "Morskaya Pekhota Rossiyi" (Russian Marine Troops) in the ruins of that airport
There is more than 2000 (some say more than 4000) dead Russian soldiers in Ukraine war. Internet users are collecting information about Russian soldiers who are fighting or ever fought in Donbas. They mark dwelling places of militants and professional soldiers on a special map.
http://www.belsat.eu/en/articles/where-russians-come-fight-ukraine-infographics/
Interesting, So, your claiming that Russia has officially, formally, sent troops into Ukraine, that would mean that Russia has now invaded.
Is that what you are claiming ?
Because I'd like to see far more evidence than you have currently provided to support your claim.
Comment from the video you posted a still from...
Советский Союз1 day ago
What I do not understand? And he had a form with stamps Marine Corps RF means he is a military RF? Then every second Ukropovits American mercenaries, weapons and put the same shape with NATO. The helmet is made in the United States means the United States military is ... Author video with the brain in general is not friendly or as usual Ukrainian pizdabol Divan troll warrior.
Now, in my case the US has admitted that they have troops in Ukraine, they are arming the govt and bankrolling the whole game.
So, me posting footage of Academia, who are there at the behest and payment of the US Govt, isn't news. Its an old story, and I'm just just posting recent evidence.
"After oft-repeated denials, the United States has finally admitted having played a role in “brokering a power transition” in Ukraine.
Obama Set to 'Further Isolate' Russia
MOSCOW – Commenting on the recent President Barack Obama’s interview with CNN, Russian Foreign Ministry's spokeswoman said that Washington failed foresee the impact this revelation will have on its partners in Europe, after denying its involvement initially.
In a Facebook comment posted Maria Zakharova wrote that “US diplomacy has been working hard denying America had had a hand in the 2013 Maidan protests in Kiev and the February 2014 coup, and blaming Russia for allegedly provoking the Ukrainian unrest, brainwashing the local population and implementing the so-called 'Crimean scenario'”.
Maria Zakharova added that this was exactly the “reason” behind the Western attempts to isolate Russia.
In an interview with CNN on February 1, Obama claimed that Russian President Vladimir Putin had made his decisions on Crimea after being caught off-guard by mass anti-government protests on Kiev's Independence Square, as well as by then-President Viktor Yanukovich fleeing, after the West "had brokered a deal to transition power in Ukraine."
http://sputniknews.com/news/20150203/1017698975.html#ixzz3QkmPPs00
Your accusations however are new, very very new. Except for the last 7 times people have posted 'info' about Russia invading Ukraine......
Are you sure you don't have a contract with some agency to post your 'info' ?.
Because if you cannot back up you claim about yet another invasion, I'm going to assume your just yet another 'Piece of 'deleted' 'deleted' lying 'deleted'
Please, provide some facts, actual real facts about this claim of yours about a latest Russian invasion....
We already have those facts about the American one
(ELI5* - The US President, US State Dept, US Military have all posted this information !)
Put up or shut up dude....
Like poker, cards on the table. What real proof can you provide for your claim ?
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Is that what you are claiming ?
Because I'd like to see far more evidence than you have currently provided to support your claim.
Comment from the video you posted a still from...
Советский Союз1 day ago
What I do not understand? And he had a form with stamps Marine Corps RF means he is a military RF? Then every second Ukropovits American mercenaries, weapons and put the same shape with NATO. The helmet is made in the United States means the United States military is ... Author video with the brain in general is not friendly or as usual Ukrainian pizdabol Divan troll warrior.
Now, in my case the US has admitted that they have troops in Ukraine, they are arming the govt and bankrolling the whole game.
So, me posting footage of Academia, who are there at the behest and payment of the US Govt, isn't news. Its an old story, and I'm just just posting recent evidence.
"After oft-repeated denials, the United States has finally admitted having played a role in “brokering a power transition” in Ukraine.
Obama Set to 'Further Isolate' Russia
MOSCOW – Commenting on the recent President Barack Obama’s interview with CNN, Russian Foreign Ministry's spokeswoman said that Washington failed foresee the impact this revelation will have on its partners in Europe, after denying its involvement initially.
In a Facebook comment posted Maria Zakharova wrote that “US diplomacy has been working hard denying America had had a hand in the 2013 Maidan protests in Kiev and the February 2014 coup, and blaming Russia for allegedly provoking the Ukrainian unrest, brainwashing the local population and implementing the so-called 'Crimean scenario'”.
Maria Zakharova added that this was exactly the “reason” behind the Western attempts to isolate Russia.
In an interview with CNN on February 1, Obama claimed that Russian President Vladimir Putin had made his decisions on Crimea after being caught off-guard by mass anti-government protests on Kiev's Independence Square, as well as by then-President Viktor Yanukovich fleeing, after the West "had brokered a deal to transition power in Ukraine."
http://sputniknews.com/news/20150203/1017698975.html#ixzz3QkmPPs00
Your accusations however are new, very very new.
Except for the last 7 times people have posted 'info' about Russia invading Ukraine......Are you sure you don't have a contract with some agency to post your 'info' ?.
Because if you cannot back up you claim about yet another invasion, I'm going to assume your just yet another 'Piece of 'deleted' 'deleted' lying 'deleted'
Please, provide some facts, actual real facts about this claim of yours about a latest Russian invasion....
We already have those facts about the American one
(ELI5* - The US President, US State Dept, US Military have all posted this information !)
Put up or shut up dude....
Like poker, cards on the table. What real proof can you provide for your claim ?
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No, you don't. Anyone with the common sense they were born with can figure out that a civilian uprising suddenly having lots of tanks, artillery and well trained men in military uniform with flashes from a neighbouring ally is getting outside help. Oh, no, they're really the american illuminati pawns dressed up as Russians to start a world war and form the new world order.
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So the Ukrainians fight Ukrainians!? And for what they are fighting for?
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No, I claim that master rule of Russian propaganda is Goebbels' one:
"Repeat lie to the point it is assumed the truth"
No shit, Sherlock... Russians in official Russian state TV news show...
So you claim that official state tv is preparing phoney document to show Russians dressed as Russians in Morskaya Pekhota uniforms to misguide Russians to think that they were Ukrainians making phoney appearance of Russians...
Yep, Sherlock... this is what you have to think if you still want to believe that postSoviets propaganda is anything but lies.
One hint: post soviets believe that lie make them superior
How the troll factory works?
St. Petersburg has become famous throughout Russia as the cradle of information wars and “internet-trolls,” who settled in an elite residential complex in Olgino, and later moved closer to the city center. A former colleague of this organization told us on condition of anonymity how the gigantic propaganda machine works and why it is impossible to last long in this job.
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In general the employees are divided into three categories: 1) “they are paying me and I don’t care, I don’t even know who this is:” many of these have families, loans and so on, 2) “yes, I know that this is a pro-Kremlin troll factory, but to hell with mental anguish – they pay me so it’s OK”, 3) “I am waging information warfare against the fascist junta!” The latter are in an overwhelming minority. Perhaps they are the only ones who truly love their work.
The first day of work. From 9:00am until 5:30pm. “you have to make 20 news pieces, uniqueness has to be about 75%, the news has to be relevant, here is a login and password from the PC, get to work.” Everything reminds you of school – the offices are very much like “computer classes,” you cannot be late for even 2 minutes (they fine you for it), and you must leave work immediately after it finishes and not a minute later. In total, as I understood, the holding has 12 sites of various subjects, but all of them in one way or another touch on politics and Ukraine. Although the “business card” says the “Federal News Agency” (when calling on the phone from work, the majority of the employees from different departments present themselves specifically as employees of “FAN”), the majority of traffic is from the so-called “News Agency of Kharkiv” (ironically named as nahnews.com.ua). The site is apparently Ukrainian, but all its publications are made at Savushkina 55. There are several such “Ukrainian sites” in the media holding, including the famous “Antimaidan.”
http://maidantranslations.com/2015/02/01/this-is-how-a-troll-factory-works-freesavchenko/
http://www.sobaka.ru/city/city/32942/
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In general the employees are divided into three categories: 1) “they are paying me and I don’t care, I don’t even know who this is:” many of these have families, loans and so on, 2) “yes, I know that this is a pro-Kremlin troll factory, but to hell with mental anguish – they pay me so it’s OK”, 3) “I am waging information warfare against the fascist junta!” The latter are in an overwhelming minority. Perhaps they are the only ones who truly love their work.
The first day of work. From 9:00am until 5:30pm. “you have to make 20 news pieces, uniqueness has to be about 75%, the news has to be relevant, here is a login and password from the PC, get to work.” Everything reminds you of school – the offices are very much like “computer classes,” you cannot be late for even 2 minutes (they fine you for it), and you must leave work immediately after it finishes and not a minute later. In total, as I understood, the holding has 12 sites of various subjects, but all of them in one way or another touch on politics and Ukraine. Although the “business card” says the “Federal News Agency” (when calling on the phone from work, the majority of the employees from different departments present themselves specifically as employees of “FAN”), the majority of traffic is from the so-called “News Agency of Kharkiv” (ironically named as nahnews.com.ua). The site is apparently Ukrainian, but all its publications are made at Savushkina 55. There are several such “Ukrainian sites” in the media holding, including the famous “Antimaidan.”
http://maidantranslations.com/2015/02/01/this-is-how-a-troll-factory-works-freesavchenko/
http://www.sobaka.ru/city/city/32942/
How about you explain to me how a civilian uprising has enough tanks, artillery, other weaponary and the people skilled enough to use it and to fight with an established, well equipped national army for many months?
Thats awesome, truly funny
You are aware the US and GB are advertising for people to do this job, Oh, and Israel, who has no end of internet trolls, no ? what a surprise ROFL !!!!!
"A new group of soldiers, referred to as "Facebook Warriors" will " wage complex and covert information and subversion campaigns," according to the Financial Times. This unit will be named the 77th battalion, whose number also has a historical significance. Britain is far from the only country making a social media-focused investment. The Guardian notes that the Israel Defense Force (IDF) used 30 different social media sites in several different languages during Operation Cast Lead in an effort to "engage with an audience we otherwise wouldn't reach," says an IDF spokesperson. ISIS is also annoyingly adept at recruiting through social media and its sympathizers have hacked the U.S. military's social media accounts, including U.S. Central Command."
http://gizmodo.com/the-british-army-is-creating-a-battalion-of-facebook-w-1683078069
And who posted your info, ummm, was it maidantranslations.com by some vague chance ?
Now lets do a bit of research on this domain (You may want to run away now
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Get a life !
How does a region successfully fight against a larger region ?, well most of Ukraines population, doesn't want this US funded war.
Donetsk care, they don't want to be US nazi puppets, they have a long history of being closer to Russia than NATO. Bluntly, their fighting for their independence and freedom. Which is exactly what the US did in 1776. Try thinking about that fact !
"Chief of Staff of the Armed Forces of Ukraine Viktor Muzhenko said that in Ukraine there is no regular units of the Russian army."
Ukrainians are fleeing to Russia to avoid conscription
The Ukrainian news agency RIAN headlined on January 26th, “Mobilization in Dnipropetrovsk Almost Drowned,” and reported, “In Dnipropetrovsk region [which is run by the U.S. White House’s friend, the Ukrainian-Swiss-Israeli billionaire Ihor Kolomoysky, whose longstanding personal mercenary army has, alone, more than 5,000 fighters], thousands of men are hiding from the draft. Enforcement officers recognize that accomplishing their task will be very difficult.” More than 2,000 people there who were drafted “did not show up, they evaporated.”
http://www.washingtonsblog.com/2015/01/ukraines-government-losing-war.html
Abandoned tanks at the Kharkiv ... n Ukraine. Taken in 2012.
Frankly, Russia doesn't want Donetsk to be independent. Russia would be far happier with the region remaining in Ukraine. For really obvious reasons if you actually think about it.
It's the US driven actions, supported by the EU that are creating this situation.
Do try doing some research and make intelligent comments here, cus all I'm currently seeing are payed shrills.........
All gone to shit in Ukraina, what now?
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