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All gone to shit in Ukraina, what now?
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Here's an opportunity to do some actual research on this subject. Robert Parry is a highly respected journalist. This is an excellent historical analysis of the Ukraine at present, and the historical background for the current events.

Do try to post from a position of knowledge, whatever views you have Smile
http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article40857.htm

From the start of the Ukraine crisis in fall 2013, the New York Times, the Washington Post and virtually every mainstream U.S. news outlet have behaved as dishonestly as they did during the run-up to war with Iraq. Objectivity and other principles of journalism have been thrown out the window. The larger context of both Ukrainian politics and Russia’s role has been ignored.

Again, it’s all been about demonized “bad guys” – in this case, Ukraine’s elected President Viktor Yanukovych and Russia’s elected President Vladimir Putin – versus the “pro-Western good guys” who are deemed model democrats even as they collaborated with neo-Nazis to overthrow a constitutional order.

Anyone who dares protest the unrelentingly one-sided coverage is deemed a “Putin apologist” or a “stooge of Moscow.” So, most Americans – in a position to influence public knowledge but who want to stay employable – stay silent, just as they did during the Iraq War stampede.

To understand why Russians are so alarmed by U.S. and NATO meddling in Ukraine, you have to go back to those days after the Soviet Union collapsed in 1991. Instead of working with the Russians to transition carefully from a communist system to a pluralistic, capitalist one, the U.S. prescription was “shock therapy.”

As American “free market” experts descended on Moscow during the pliant regime of Boris Yeltsin, well-connected Russian thieves and their U.S. compatriots plundered the country’s wealth, creating a handful of billionaire “oligarchs” and leaving millions upon millions of Russians in a state of near starvation, with a collapse in life expectancy rarely seen in a country not at war.

As recounted in his 2001 book, Failed Crusade, Cohen correctly describes this fantastical reporting as journalistic “malpractice” that left the American people misinformed about the on-the-ground reality in Russia. The widespread suffering led Vladimir Putin, who succeeded Yeltsin, to pull back on the wholesale privatization, to punish some oligarchs and to restore some of the social safety net.

Though the U.S. mainstream media portrays Putin as essentially a tyrant, his elections and approval numbers indicate that he commands broad popular support, in part, because he stood up to some oligarchs (though he still worked with others). Yet, Official Washington continues to portray oligarchs whom Putin jailed as innocent victims of a tyrant’s revenge.
A photo of a breakers yard with broken tanks proves nothing. Do you not realise how absolutely useless tanks with trees going through them are going to be?

This is indicative of the equipment they are using

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_4wHBqKOWHk

http://youtu.be/0ZOnj3zMiNc

I suppose they just happened to find an adjacent yard with a stockpile of fully working missiles to fit in their grad launcher too

Quote :Do try to post from a position of knowledge, whatever views you have

Physician, heal thyself. Posting links from Russia Today to support the Pro-Russian position is no different from posting Fox news links to support an American position.

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/ukraine-crisis-we-are-getting-tanks-and-reinforcements-from-russia-says-separatist-leader-9673628.html

Quote :Alexander Zakharchenko, prime minister of the self-proclaimed Donetsk People's Republic, said the rebels were in the process of receiving some 150 armoured vehicles, including 30 tanks, and 1,200 fighters who he said had spent four months training in Russia.

Not even they are denying it, so why would you?
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No long term serious military conflict can happen without outside help. ammunition runs out, equipment gets destroyed, uniforms get worn out, all this has to be funded by huge loans. No, I do not think the Donetsk Rebels are holding off a large western assisted army with army defectors, captured vehicles and farmers who find a T-64's controls to be rather like a combine harvester. It's called realism.
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Quote from AndRand :
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Thats awesome, truly funny Smile

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Get a life !

No shit, Sherlock...
If you don't know, there is almost 1 million of Americans with Ukrainian origin.
No wonder some of them can make translations to English, even in Arizona.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ukrainian_American


Quote :Do try doing some research and make intelligent comments here, cus all I'm currently seeing are payed shrills.........

I thought that I am dealing with dumb agitprop officers in Poland by your theories are really funny for any Eastern Europeans...

Yes, right this is US who pushed pro-Russian activist to hijack heavy arms and occupy Crimea and now Novorussia.
No shit, Sherlock. And 2 weeks later Russian forces crossed the border. And this is just a coincidence. Rofl
Quote from Racer X NZ :
Again, it’s all been about demonized “bad guys” – in this case, Ukraine’s elected President Viktor Yanukovych

Here is your good pirate's Galleon Smile



How? If you are president in "kleptocratic state with no independent judiciary"...
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/ukraine-uprising-the-private-zoo-the-galleon-moored-on-a-private-lake-the-fleet-of-vintage-cars--ukrainians-left-openmouthed-at-the-opulence-of-yanukovychs-country-estate-9146886.html

Quote :As American “free market” experts descended on Moscow during the pliant regime of Boris Yeltsin, well-connected Russian thieves and their U.S. compatriots plundered the country’s wealth, creating a handful of billionaire “oligarchs” and leaving millions upon millions of Russians in a state of near starvation, with a collapse in life expectancy rarely seen in a country not at war.

Now they are done with this horrible CHAOS!!! - as they call free market capitalism.
Now they have tidiness and order - the state decides who can be an oligarch and who cant'. Even more, if you can run your business or not. Because without local official permission it will be utterly morbid experience.
So there is less oligarchs... and more Russians in a state of near starvation.
Excuse me if I offended someone, but it's true.
Europeans have such a popular game - meet once every 100 years and get pizdyuley(kick) from Russia. :\
Quote from [Audi TT] :Excuse me if I offended someone, but it's true.
Europeans have such a popular game - meet once every 100 years and get pizdyuley(kick) from Russia. :\

...and where this kick happens? Deep in Russia's p...
Quote from AndRand :
...and where this kick happens? Deep in Russia's p...

You are very wrathful man. You perceive as humor.
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You to been brainwashed, they say Russia is very bad, everywhere blame Russia, something stolen, has destroyed, etc. It's not true.
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There is a war between Ukrainians for the production and factories, ie, for money. It is necessary Ukrainian Rada. This theft and the end to Ukraine. - The Russia doesn't want this.
Quote from AndRand :
Quote from Racer X NZ :
Again, it’s all been about demonized “bad guys” – in this case, Ukraine’s elected President Viktor Yanukovych

How? If you are president in "kleptocratic state with no independent judiciary"...
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/ukraine-uprising-the-private-zoo-the-galleon-moored-on-a-private-lake-the-fleet-of-vintage-cars--ukrainians-left-openmouthed-at-the-opulence-of-yanukovychs-country-estate-9146886.html

Quote :As American “free market” experts descended on Moscow during the pliant regime of Boris Yeltsin, well-connected Russian thieves and their U.S. compatriots plundered the country’s wealth, creating a handful of billionaire “oligarchs” and leaving millions upon millions of Russians in a state of near starvation, with a collapse in life expectancy rarely seen in a country not at war.

Now they are done with this horrible CHAOS!!! - as they call free market capitalism.
Now they have tidiness and order - the state decides who can be an oligarch and who cant'. Even more, if you can run your business or not. Because without local official permission it will be utterly morbid experience.
So there is less oligarchs... and more Russians in a state of near starvation.

I really lost your point somewhere in the above Smile



Personally, in Hobbitville, after the above 'joke' we brought in MMP, actually to cripple our govt. The more time they spend infighting and the less time they spend passing dictatorial laws the better.
Who needs idiots controlling the people, we need intelligent laws, meaningful govt and no rich pr!#$ telling everyone to do what they say.

No one needs huge palaces, silly boats, and w@#&*)$ who feel that because they have money that makes them better than anyone else.

Viva la Revolution


Which, is what Donetsk is saying..........

Same as the US in 1776, etc,etc,etc........



Explanation:"Fucking act like it"
Quote from Racer X NZ :
Quote :Now they are done with this horrible CHAOS!!! - as they call free market capitalism.
Now they have tidiness and order - the state decides who can be an oligarch and who cant'. Even more, if you can run your business or not. Because without local official permission it will be utterly morbid experience.
So there is less oligarchs... and more Russians in a state of near starvation.

I really lost your point somewhere in the above Smile

I know, I know... Eastern Europe can be quite complicated.

First, I show you results of political capitalism - this is postcommunism situaton of state-controlled economy. Where you can become an oligarch by being a state official, like Yanukovych.
There is no capitalism's CHAOS - everybody knows with whom they can make business. And who can run business. Btw. your hero's son (Yanukovych's) had for example the habit of acquiring shares in enterprises. It was real 'hostile takeovers' - he just came to the company saying: 'from tomorrow I will be majority owner or this company will not exist'.

This is why Maidan revolted against that cleptocracy rule.
This is also a reason why eastern Ukraine revolted because they cannot exist without such position.
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Don't sit on the fence eh, tell it like you feel.
He does, it may be a rant, uninformed and prejudiced but he does say Smile

This is an interesting article, note: english as a second language is very clear here but it's still a very well informed article looking at the current state of Ukraine politics.

AndRand, TexasLTU, please actually read this, you may find it highly informative for the case your making.

And, thanks Scrawen, I really want to keep this as civil conversation here and unfortunately it's up to the mods to police this thread and monitor the rabid national hatred. Sad, but people need to look at facts, not obsess about their personal historical issues.

I grew up with Russia being the 'big threat', Yeah 'USA,USA,USA' and really, seriously grew up with this !
I lived the propoganda that some people here are giving, If I can move on, so can you Smile
Just actually think, look at facts, check your sources, recheck your sources.
And try not to believe the Bankers !

http://www.strategic-culture.org/news/2015/02/09/ukraine-military-coup-inevitable.html

A year has passed since the Ukraine’s government was forcibly removed. Experts strongly believe that a military coup is inevitable. It’s a matter of time, driving forces and scenarios.

The motley crew to include National Guard voluntary formations, territorial defense units or the All-Ukraine Battalion Brotherhood is going to play the role of the Praetorian Guard. They have shown no combat prowess but acquired the reputation of being merciless. They are called «punishers» or «national scumbags». With no victories achieved on the battlefield they always raise ballyhoo about being betrayed. And there is some justification for saying so. The regime purposely selected Maidan activists to men the battalions. Sent to frontline they happen to be right in the heat of fighting. The regime hardly wants them to come back alive. The battalion commanders are made members of parliament to recognize their merits. It’s an extraordinary case in history

The Battalion Brotherhood is not unanimous, there are serious differences inside its ranks. For instance, the Kulchitsky and Donbass battalions clashed near Uglegorsk. Semen Semenchenko, the Donbass commander, was wounded. Andriy Parubiy, Vice Speaker of parliament, former Maidan commandant and Secretary of the National Security and Defense Council, is on the list of candidates to become coup leaders. He was the target of failed assassination attempt by the end of last year. The traces led to the State Security Administration headed by loyal associate of President Valeriy Heletey. Perhaps Poroshenko will be held responsible for the action. The government takes urgent steps to prevent a regime change. No matter the decision is obviously late, the presidential administration plans to create a 25 thousand strong military police force to turn it into the pillar of Poroshenko’s regime. Fortifications are built in the capital. According to the head of the Kyiv police, Alexander Tereshchuk, eight block posts (actually fortified positions) protected from bullets, grenades and other projectiles are going to be erected at the entrances to the city. Snipers will be sent to garrisons. Protection of bridges will be enhanced with police patrols. Metal detectors are to be installed at subway entrances. The civil defense system under the operational staff led by the head of City Council has been moved to higher state of readiness. The Ukraine’s Security Service under Valentin Nalivaichenko has joined the fight against plotters in the usual irrational manner.

Viacheslav Fursa, the head of All-Ukrainian Battalion Brotherhood, is called provocateur acting in the interests of Russia. Ukrainian Lieutenant Colonel Mykhailo Chornobai of General Staff has been arrested. They say he is a «Russian agent» who was the central figure of the plot. Besides, he happened to be guilty for all the setbacks suffered lately by Ukrainian forces. According to Nalivaichenko, Mykhailo Chornobai was responsible for information leakage to Life News and other Russian channels. He allegedly told them about «preparations for provocations» to take place in the area of «anti-terrorist operation» to enable journalists get there first. CIA-trained Nalivaichenko does not realize that the accusations confirm the involvement of the service he heads. No reasonable Ukrainian takes the Security Service seriously now.
And, for the benefit of some of you, here is a list of the number of times Ukraine and Western Media have claimed that Russia have invaded Ukraine......
Sadly, this is only up to 13 Nov 2014.........

"First off, doing a simple Google search for just the term, “Russian invasion of Ukraine” yields 1,350,000 results. Lots of Russian invasion stories are floating about online.

Let’s get into just how many instances of ‘Russian invasions’ or near ‘Russian invasions’ have been reported this past year, starting from early days of the coup until Col. Andriy Lysenko latest ‘invasion’ announcement.

It’s a long, long list…

February 28, 2014: Ukraine Accuses Russia Of Invasion, Considers State Of Emergency After Masked Gunmen Occupy Two Crimean Airports.

March 2, 2014: Sarah Palin Predicted Ukraine Invasion in 2008

March 3, 2014: Russian Invasion of Crimean Peninsula. Movements and Forces

March 3, 2014: Why Did Russia Invade Ukraine? Because The West Is Weak

March 13, 2014: Russian Troops Mass at Border With Ukraine. Possible
Invasion

March 15, 2014: Ukraine Says It Has Repelled A Russian Army “Invasion”

March 18, 2014: Ukraine Hikes Tensions Again, Says Russian Army Concentrated Near East Border For “Quick Invasion”

March 30, 2014: Russian invasion of eastern Ukraine could happen ‘any day’, officials warn

April 4, 104: Ukraine Defense Ministry “Warns” Of Imminent Russian Invasion

May 1, 2014: Ukraine minister: Russia planning invasion

May 21, 2014: Despite Withdrawal, Russian Invasion of Eastern Ukraine Still Possible

May 30, 2014: Russians Invade Donetsk (VIDEO)

June 2, 2014: U.S., Europe may have prevented invasion of Ukraine, Polish foreign minister says

June 14, 2014: Russia’s slow invasion of Ukraine

June 20, 2014: Open Russian invasion into Ukraine has begun

July 30, 2014: Putin could invade Ukraine in response to sanctions

August 05, 2014: Poland’s Sikorski Saying Russian Units Are Poised to Pressure or Invade Ukraine, Sees ‘Huge’ Escalation of Crisis if This Happened

August 6, 2014: Ukraine crisis: Nato fears invasion as Russian troops ‘mass on Ukraine’s borders’

August 6, 2014: Growing threat of Russia invading Ukraine, Hagel says

August 14, 2014: Russian aid convoy blocked as Ukraine fears invasion pretext

August 14, 2014: Russia’s invasion of Ukraine continues

August 22, 2014: Russian Humanitarian Convoy Enters Ukraine Without Authorization; Ukraine Considers Move “Direct Invasion”

August 25, 2014: Russia Prepares 2nd Humanitarian Convoy “Invasion”

August 27, 2014: Ukraine Reports Russian Invasion on a New Front

August 28, 2014: Ukraine Accuses Russia Of Launching Invasion, Then Promptly Retracts

August 28, 2014: NATO Releases Satellite Imagery “Proof” That Russia Has Invaded Ukraine

August 28, 2014: Has Russia invaded Ukraine? Here’s what we know

August 28, 2014: Poroshenko says Russia invaded Ukraine

August 29, 2014: U.S. official says 1,000 Russian troops have entered Ukraine

August 29, 2014: Russia’s Slow-Motion Invasion of Ukraine

August 30, 2014: European leaders warn Russian invasion of east Ukraine at ‘a point of no return’

September 2, 2014: The State Department Says Russia Is Invading Ukraine—Should We Believe It?

September 4, 2014: Invasion of Ukraine Continues; Russian Ideologist Calls for “Genocide”

October 3, 2014: Can US Support for Ukraine Help Prevent a New Russian Invasion?

November 8, 2014: NATO Sees ‘High Probability’ Of Russian Invasion Of Ukraine

November 12, 2014: Ukraine’s Ambassador to the UN says Russia planning full-scale invasion

Thats a lot of invasions, near invasions, possible invasions and fear of invasions going on…and that’s just like 3 pages of Google results.

With all that Russian troop movement west, one would think they would have captured London by now.
http://redpilltimes.com/many-times-russia-invaded-ukraine-last-year-lets-add/

Links to all those stories in the above link Smile





Usually when someone cries wolf it’s because they want something, likely a scam or some kind of swindling going down.

In this case Ukraine is crying wolf in order to have EU and US taxpayers front the bill for their expenses…gas, oil, oligarch party funds, Hunter Biden – Igor Kolomoisky benders, etc…

For the main stream media, well they are in bed with the MIC (military industrial complex)*, so their payoff is more business manufacturing war.

The US and EU leaders who support the invasion meme are also in the pockets of the MIC, so it’s good business…and manufacturing fear is also what helps keep them in office.

* Highly relevant quote that NO-ONE ever gets !
Public Papers of the Presidents, Dwight D. Eisenhower, 1960, p. 1035- 1040

"In the councils of government, we must guard against the acquisition of unwarranted influence, whether sought or unsought, by the militaryindustrial complex. The potential for the disastrous rise of misplaced power exists and will persist.

We must never let the weight of this combination endanger our liberties or democratic processes. We should take nothing for granted. Only an alert and knowledgeable citizenry can compel the proper meshing of the huge industrial and military machinery of defense with our peaceful methods and goals, so that security and liberty may prosper together."
The only thing that comes up my mind every time I come across your posts is that you must have loads of free time Big grin
Quote from Racer X NZ :He does, it may be a rant, uninformed and prejudiced but he does say Smile

This is an interesting article, note: english as a second language is very clear here but it's still a very well informed article looking at the current state of Ukraine politics.

AndRand, TexasLTU, please actually read this, you may find it highly informative for the case your making.

And, thanks Scrawen, I really want to keep this as civil conversation here and unfortunately it's up to the mods to police this thread and monitor the rabid national hatred. Sad, but people need to look at facts, not obsess about their personal historical issues.

I grew up with Russia being the 'big threat', Yeah 'USA,USA,USA' and really, seriously grew up with this !
I lived the propoganda that some people here are giving, If I can move on, so can you Smile
Just actually think, look at facts, check your sources, recheck your sources.
And try not to believe the Bankers !

http://www.strategic-culture.org/news/2015/02/09/ukraine-military-coup-inevitable.html

A year has passed since the Ukraine’s government was forcibly removed. Experts strongly believe that a military coup is inevitable. It’s a matter of time, driving forces and scenarios.

I wonder how dumb will you look when the seizure of Ukraine by Russia will happen. Probably soon.
I will have to say - haven't I told you so?
Quote from ACCAkut :for all we know he's living in a mental institure and ended up on this forum as it was the only not blocked.

a bit of contra to whatever he is posting in that monstrum above:

http://np.reddit.com/r/WTF/com ... bout_waking_up_to/cohem30

Absolutely, and the people who brought us the fappening are the sole point of fact and information. Smile

I expect that anon from 4chan will be your next source.........

Try hitchhikers, in the 4th book of the trilogy, the asylum is a reversed room !

And I so often feel like Wonko the Sane here, people seem to need instructions of how to use toothpicks......
Quote from Racer X NZ :And I so often feel like Wonko the Sane here, people seem to need instructions of how to use toothpicks......

Plz, tell me your definition of sanity when you call as an act of aggression on Russia when Ukraine's territory (and many other neighbours') is being seized by Russia.

I am deeply interested how do you define sanity because I found it REEEAAAALLY awkward how soviets define sanity whenever and wherever I meet them.
Racer X mastered the art of toothpicking information long ago. But only to fuel his conspiracies.

Racer X might as well be the smartest man on earth...
Putin.... He needs to move up. Leader of Russia? C'mon man! That's like convenience store manager in the world of politics. He needs to move up to the major leagues. I'm thinking Texas Senator. Most of Texas loves the guy. How can we not? He's a homophobic religious nut that likes to kill things and he can't stand Obama! And we're a one party state that thinks an armed society is a polite society so we're a perfect match! Plus, him and George Jr. are still playmates. And I bet Putin is a big Ted Nugent fan too. He said Houston was his favorite city. I don't know why. The only thing for tourists here are strip clubs and cheap drugs.
Yeah Yeah, Vladimir Putin: Texas Senator. Has a nice ring to it...Then again if that happened, he'd want to take back the parts of New Mexico, Colorado and Wyoming we gave to the US when entering the Republic.
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For Racer Y, FYI 'USA' is a minority, Texas, You stole that from the Spanish I believe......







And back to the present, here's the ex head of the UK military commenting on the UK sending support to Ukraine. It's a bit of a lol....

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/ukraine/11412838/Sir-Richard-Dannatt-condemns-armoured-vehicle-transfer-to-Ukraine.html
"General Sir Richard Dannatt, who served as Chief of the General Staff between 2006 and 2009, said the Saxon armoured vehicles, which the Ukranian military are planning to convert for use in their fight against Russian-backed separatist forces – are “quite useless”.
Ukranian sources said that 20 Saxons have been delivered to Ukraine, with another 55 expected to arrive soon.

He told The Telegraph: “I took these out of service by the UK Army in 2005/6 as completely unsuitable for current operations, so I find it incredible that they are being sold/gifted to Ukraine. I am incensed by the thought we are supplying, even via a 3rd party, SAXON APCs to the hapless Ukrainians."

Sorry, but I don't think Russia uses these so they can't be used to claim a Russian invasion. You'll have more luck with these...
http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-28961080

Or your latest lies....
http://sputniknews.com/us/20150213/1018223594.html

And with the US destroying any chance of peace.....
http://www.presstv.ir/Detail/2015/02/13/397444/Ukraine-army-shells-kindergarten
http://tass.ru/en/world/777593

This really sum's up what is going on and who's running it !. Please prove me wrong, please show that what I'm saying is incorrect.

http://russia-insider.com/en/ukraine/2015/02/13/3443
Georgia’s former president, Mikheil Saakashvili, has been appointed the chairman of the council of advisors for international affairs under Ukraine’s President Petro Poroshenko, News- Georgia agency reported citing the Pirveli Radio.
The Georgian Prosecutor General’s Office filed charges in absentia against Saakashvili on several criminal cases, including the embezzlement of about $5 million of public funds for personal needs.

http://rt.com/news/232275-poroshenko-saakashvili-advisor-appointment/
Georgia’s former president, Mikheil Saakashvili, has been appointed the chairman of the council of advisors for international affairs under Ukraine’s President Petro Poroshenko, News- Georgia agency reported citing the Pirveli Radio.The official document, which was published on Poroshenko’s website Friday, announces an order “to appoint Mikhail Saakashvili as an aide to the Ukrainian president (non-staff position).”

According to Poroshenko, the controversial Georgian politician, who is currently based in the US, , will head the Advisory International Council of Reforms. The organization’s main goals will be developing proposals and recommendations for implementing reforms in Ukraine based on best international practices. The council will invite foreign experts to work on changing the Ukrainian legal system as well as to boost international support for Ukraine.

The good news for Ukraine is this however.
http://russia-insider.com/en/ukraine/2015/02/13/3455

"Traders seem to agree with Mr Ash. The hryvnia, Ukraine’s currency, fell today. It is now worth a third less than it was a few days ago.

For the extra cash, what is the IMF expecting in return? Understandably, the fund wants reform. Ukraine is horribly corrupt and inefficient. Improving the business climate is vital.
But the IMF’s medicine will not taste good for the average Ukrainian. Let’s go through what Ms Lagarde said in her statement."

And, please post Western media commentary on this situation as I'm struggling to find any Smile
A bill submitted by an MP from President Poroshenko’s party in the Ukrainian parliament seeks to criminalize public speech that reject the government’s narrative on the civil war, which it describes as a Russian military invasion. The controversial bill amends the Ukrainian criminal code to make “public denial or justification of the Russian military aggression against Ukraine in 2014-2015” a felony. The ‘crime’ would carry a penalty ranging from a heavy fine and up to a five-year jail term for repeat offences or convicts who held public office.

Read more at: http://wakeupfromyourslumber.com/5yrs-for-denying-russian-aggression-ukraine-may-criminalize-anti-war-speech/

That explains all the inane braindead posts here !!!!!
See above.......
Quote from Racer X NZ :And back to the present, here's the ex head of the UK military commenting on the UK sending support to Ukraine. It's a bit of a lol....

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/ukraine/11412838/Sir-Richard-Dannatt-condemns-armoured-vehicle-transfer-to-Ukraine.html

He told The Telegraph: “I took these out of service by the UK Army in 2005/6 as completely unsuitable for current operations, so I find it incredible that they are being sold/gifted to Ukraine. I am incensed by the thought we are supplying, even via a 3rd party, SAXON APCs to the hapless Ukrainians."

Sorry, but I don't think Russia uses these so they can't be used to claim a Russian invasion. You'll have more luck with these...
http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-28961080

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This really sum's up what is going on and who's running it !. Please prove me wrong, please show that what I'm saying is incorrect.

Now I only wonder, how DUMB you are?

First, you think APC will be used against tanks.
Now you show proof of Russian tanks in Eastern Ukraine...

Numerous Tornado shells have been found after being fired on civillians in Mariupol, Eastern Ukraine. Only Russia's army uses Tornados artillery.
I showed pictures of Russia's marines fighting at Donetsk Airport as shown in official state Russia's One TV channel.
There are pictures of Ukraine's POW being tortured in Lugansk, separatists territory, and taken by military men into cars with Sverdlovsk (deep in Russia) number plates.
There are pictures of Russian tanks on officialy invaded Crimea.

...How DUMB you can be to call it aggression on Russia?

About Russia's invasions...
The region of Transnistria was in the same situation as Eastern Ukraine. It became 'independent' from Moldova with big Russia's support. Russia's financial aid was major pillar of it's budget. Now the imperial toy is forgotten and deep into bankruptcy with 50% budget deficit and only 25% of planned revenues for January:
After months of crisis which has been ongoing since 2013, Transnistria faced the threat of economic catastrophe. Such poor conditions of Transnistria’s economy have additionally worsened due to the Ukrainian crisis. Russian aid, which had been so far one of the most important pillars of the region’s economy has significantly been limited due to the bad economic situation inside Russia.
Meanwhile, budget revenues are not enough to secure the payments of pensions and salaries for employees of Transnistria’s public sector

http://www.neweasterneurope.eu/articles-and-commentary/1462-transnistria-s-economy-going-from-bad-to-worse
Furthermore, I can assure you, every post-soviet country has post-soviets ready to 'revolt and make independent states' at each Kremlin call.

...How DUMB you are to call Russia's driven treason as beneficiary for Russia's neighbours?

All gone to shit in Ukraina, what now?
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