pff unsure whether it makes sense to answer..but here we go.
This is all material you mention on the surface, basically it has nothing to do with what i meant. You can have Google, which I prefer not to use. And the rest of the world build better cars than the US has ever done. Anyway who cares about his blabla. It's that the US dollar is in a highly risky position and highly dependent on things that are not so visual, it's like magic. Currency markets, the role for a currency in the world and investments in a currency is more what I meant. Things like that The Netherlands is the fourth largest investor in your currency to keep it valuable. If China would pull the plug, you're gone. So oil transactions currently going in Dollars is important to your country and they are willing to start 'wars' to keep it that way. In other words they are not respecting the sovereignty of those countries. Another problem is that your country has a more than extreme national debt which kills value of your earnings.
Let me put it differently. The US's national debt in 2010 est. was 14.6 trillion us dollar, which was 92.7% of your Gross Domestic Product.
Small graph about child poverty in between..
Yes US' poverty is way worse than it is here.
The best here would be to urge you to look up facts, cause your last sentence here was the only one making sense. In fact, your healthcare system was so oldfashioned, Obama came to The Netherlands and called our healthcare system one to be an example for the world. ( I disagree ) About the EU, yes all was better without the union, France, The Netherlands and Denmark as well I believe all voted against.. but US tactics here.. they dont give a shit except partly in Denmark (opt out). We are heading downwards we were doing so great without that shitty union.
I experience two types of americans very often, one who thinks like you, that you rule the world ( I think some really believe) and ones who have woken up. Sentences like saying: "We are the healthcare system" would only be true if you interpret healthcare as: killing people and starting wars.
Hmm.. this quote is more interesting. yes indeed money is basically worthless, instead it still buys you stuff you need. The name has fallen here in this topic before. That guy runs the Federal Reserve bank ( Just FORGET that world Federal, it isnt.) he with those hidious intrest systems is what's creating all this nonsense and at the same are able to enforce outcomes of important decisions.
Anyway, the military industrial complex is one highly powered organisation in your country. A good example of a wrong balance of power. I think it is one of the biggest money making organisations in the US, which declares why the US need wars so badly. (This requires a bit of the other way around thinking, they are probably likely to show you what it costs, but you are earning more.)
Look up Eissenhower's farewall speech. Study the murderer of Kennedy, the first and only good president you've had imo, and the day the US died was when he was shot. Watch the movie JFK, don't look up internet movie database, its probably an american website and tells you the movie is not based on a true story. But when you do the study yourself, you'll find out it is. It gives you interesting new insights in who your country rules and why you mean shit to them.
I could go on for ages but im bored and I wanna see MotoGP. Try to see the true story would be my advice, and with bashing some aspects of your country I do not tend to make my country look better, as we are in the same boat calles H M S sinking... To quote one of my favorite presenters..
Just like Malasya said when the US offered help with the missing plane ( most likely cause by the us to miss, as of the people that were aboard.) Malasya said NO we dont need you. This is shouted by the Ukraines every day. A big part of the people want to belong to Russia, so let them instead of stiring up the shit there. Go away! Solve the problems in your own country first, the huge crime rates, the overfull prisons and prison crimes, the highest percentage of the pupolation behind bars. Make sure if a city is washed away by a tornado, the so called 'richest country in the world' don't need a million years to give those people a sandwich.
Daniel, I have to admit some statements made me giggle...
That magic is called "world currency" - many have tried, but there is none apart. You can also not accept gold as valuable metal, there is no reason of not that rare, and not that useful metal to be valuable - (ie. Incas used lot of gold because it is shiny but didn't value it as soft crap). But apparenty it is perceived as valuable, that's the same magic.
This is called "financial leverage". If you have steady income you can have leverage. If you stop having income leverage will eat you. As it ate Greece, where GDP (and budget earnings) are 30% lower after 6 years of consecutive recession.
That made me laugh! Really.
How come third of those countries' citizines above US would like to emigrate to US???
Maybe because these are "national poverty lines" - different in each country
I indeed don't understand why public healthcare and other social spendings are to be markers of high civilization societies? In fact, they are extremely costly because they append to everyone with no cap on spendings. There is no limit you can spend on healthcare because there are always new ways of treatment that should be used. And their cost is only growing due too technology. And they are developing huge interest groups of beneficiaries providing those services under public decisions to be made
And the reason is only one thing: public healthcare gives insurance for people without income (that also vote). And that's it - it could be organized mostly on private insurance (while I pay even more in taxes than I would on private insurance with in chosen limit) and in fact many countries (including mine) will not have other choice than to mix private and publice insurance. They can't cope with such big spendings.
FYI, Russia just implemented the law saying that any citizien living in former borders of USSR or tsar Russia (it means up to river Vistula cutting half of Poland, with vast part already taken - Belarus and part of Ukraine is within Poland's borders from 1939, Finland, Baltic states, Transnistria) can apply for Russian passport.
And Russian constitution says that Russia has right to military protect any of Russian citizens, anywhere where they live.
And for that moment, Ukraine do not have even promise of distant future membership in EU. Please, don't say US should not help if EU won't.
Hmm I guess we are thinking on two different levels here.. and often I got not clue what your point is.
Indeed.. so it's a risk. especially with today's huge fluctuations on both economy level and political level. Steady incomes aren't really guaranteed. For example the oil transactions mentioned earlier.
I think this makes me laugh harder. I don't bother even to look up any figures, but the world has known for a long time social standards in northern Europe are really high. I think this arguement simply is grapped out of the air. Second, the US' coasts are quite developed, but drive the Route 66 for example and you'll come across places people have to live from below 100 dollar a month. Something you won't see here. Anyway useless discussion it's been like that for decades.
Dunno what you are trying to say here, anyways. I was trying to make clear to mister 'God will land in america' that some other places might have things better organised. Besides, sure this is structable and make it run as efficient as possible.
Again, I don't see any point here. Anyway, if what you said would be the thruth, great job from Russia to protect the inhabitants of states they have given away or formely were a part of Russia.
Back to the beginning: The initiator of these riots, and if not, the one trying to benefit using tactics like they are doing for decades as well now is the u.s. imo. So in this case, I'd be happy if Russia protects the people there. Read the posts above from others why it is totally understandable why Russia protect one of its largest military bases, which have been there for so many years. It's not like the US creating riots in other countries to invade them.
Russia has in my opinion every right to defend their military bases especially when the EU suddenly wants to take Ukraine into the union of which i heard most of the people don't even want that. Where is the democracy?
Russia hasn't invaded any country for decades and the us is constantly in war all over the planet starting them with false flag operations.
It's still all about control of strategic places, one who should not have anything to do with it .. the us.. should stay quiet and clean up the messes of hurricane katrina of something like 10 years ago. O wait no interest to do so.. no money being made there.
Yup, especially Portugal, Hungary, Poland, Czech, Spain...
I don't want to make you laugh even more when I tell what is minimum wage here and minimum income per person (for social security).
Social state doesn't mean "better organized". It means - there is sh!tload of government spendings, totally non-elastic in case of lower budget incomes, which are so much politically dependent that are one way road - and only growing. Any try of changing it a bit means people on the streets.
Well this is a delightful way to see things...
Given away? to who? Most of us were under foreign government against our will...
I think what AndRand wanted to say is that if Russia feels like his people are "being mistreated" he has every right to come and interfere (even by force) in domestical business of another country by their own law. There is no problem to create situation like that in whatever country Russia desires...
If I was blabing about how my country of origin knew best then I would expect some retort...I am not...
To quote your brethren:-
"To the brain dead kool aid drinker that posted up above me from the Nether lands:
What do they call people from there anyways? Netherlanders or something?
Anyhow. As an American, I'm tired of being the world's babysitter. I could care less how stupid your country is or isn't, I think Darwinism should be allowed to run its course and let you live or die by the outcome of your own devices. But as usual, you'll just screw things all up and come whining to us for help...AGAIN. Do you know how much higher our standard of living would be if we didn't have to spend a chunk of our tax money keeping you third world countries from making another Hitler or Stalin or Napoleon for yourselves? And they tell us in the commercials that just a dollar a day will make you happy... Gheesh...
I'm just waiting for the EU to tank and we'll just have to borrow that much more money from China to bail y'all out. All the while with little neo marxists burning our flag, hating on us and insulting us while on their way to get a Big Mac. Then calling us on speed dial cause you said something stupid to a muslim and can't back it up.
Yeah. I don't know why our government wastes so much time and money on your affairs. Your nonsense should be your problem. Not mine. Besides, you people kicked our ancestors out of your countries. I don't see where we owe you anything."
Lookie here. I'm messing with Daniel - OK? If I think I need a response from you, I'll tell you what to type. OK?
As a part time job I sell Clues And you sure look like you could use one.
Oh the great currency scare. Know what happens if "china pulls the plug"
Nothing. If American Dollars are replaced with something else, then everyone jumps on the new money. Do you think Mickey D's will shutter and collapse if the new standard of cash was the ... Yen? Really? The very worst that would happen would be a more intense trade war as everyone readjusts and puts up protectionist measures to protect. Our economies are way too intertwined for much else to happen. If another nation has the new currency standard, the Netherlands would simply be the eighth largest investor in that country. I don't think you have to worry about us all sinking, but if we do... Hey I always wanted to live in a Road Warrior fantasy world.
And America will do like what the other countries do. The reason why it won't really affect us as bad as the sensationalist morons like to portray is our private sector is highly independent and extremely diversified. Even with the bank fiasco, the housing and the dot com bubble bursts. We're still here dude.
And those charts... Like I posted before, I barely pass the poverty level. But look at the crap I have. Go to Lagos and ask them how bad off I have it.
The only thing that chart really does is remind me that what I do for a living here would have me starving in the street in Lagos. That's it.
"I experience two types of americans very often, one who thinks like you, that you rule the world ( I think some really believe) and ones who have woken up. "
Trust me. You've never met anybody that thinks like me. I don't remember saying or claiming to believe that America was the ruler of the world. Nope I said we were the babysitter. Big difference there. Lemme put it another way. Say you and your spouse want to go out one night. You call up this teenager to watch the kids. Does that make the teenager the head of the household?
"I experience two types of americans very often, one who i mistakenly thought thinks like you played it up to, that you rule the world ( I think some really believe) and ones who have woken up. "
Yeah I've run into Americans like those as well. Only I call them sheep. Mindless vote drones that believe in all that right wing/left wing garbage. And just like you, they love to throw up charts and graphs and clever sounding bytes to justify their cause. Yeah Whatever. I read an old Playboy article where the guy figured out a way to show with statistics that crackheads were more productive workers than non crackheads. He had all the numbers all the stats to prove it.
I guess it must be true - huh?
By the way, I'm a third type of American. One the other two don't like too much.
Military Industrial complex? Holy Rip Van Winkle Batman! it's 2014! not 1874!
Remember what I said about diversified ? It's so much more profitable to build and maintain a walmart with an apple store than it is to build a base. Sure the defense industry is still big, but not like what it used to be.
"Study the murderer of Kennedy, the first and only good president you've had "
The only reason why he was so good was he didn't live long enough to screw up like the others.
And please don't go on about Kennedy conspiracies. Next year will be 2015 and every thing will be released putting all conspiracy nuts to rest.
LOL Kennedy. Too bad you've never heard of Lincoln, Jefferson or the Roosevelts. Andrew Jackson is my favorite, He was a lot like what Putin is, but we wasn't part of the US of A when he was President, Santa Anna Of Mexico was.
"Just like Malaysia said when the US offered help with the missing plane ( most likely cause by the us to miss, as of the people that were aboard.) "
Uhhh... all your credibility just went out the window with that dude. ROFL yeah we fired up the UFOs down in Roswell flew up to the plane at sub light speed and teleported the plane to the planet Quang to be interrogated by Jim Morrison and Andy Kaufman..
The Reason Malaysia was reluctant to accept help was to cover any possible incompetence.
You want a weird conspiracy about that plane though? That area where the plane went missing is sort of a hotspot geopolitically. A lot of competition there. YOu know damned good and well that plane crossed into more than a couple of radar screens over there. Why won't any of them say more about seeing that plane than what they do? To conceal air defense capability maybe?
now for you Mr Ant. Let's be a little logical. Can we? Yeah, I hate being so as I have to do that way too much in the real world but Let's do it here for second.
Uh If I really had the intellect of how I posted, now use some logic here,
A. Have the mental capability to be able to post on the forum with such decent spelling, much less post on a forum in the UK?
B. I dunno... be some Rancher out in the Nevada desert in a standoff with federal authorities?
Ok. now for the comment I want you to type:
Gee whizz Deadwolf. I hope we don't have to share a foxhole together...
The following is what is not reported at all.
"Only in a single room in a five-storey building with ceilings over 3 meters high had fire visible from outside. "
"Why charred bodies appeared on higher floors where there was no open fire?"
"This man was shot in the head. Judging from clearly visible blood puddle, the murderer fired at point-blank so the bullet passed through the skull."
"Have you noticed already that some dead people had burnt heads and shoulders only? That clothing under chest is not affected by fire? Somebody poured flammable stuff onto upper body of those people and set them ablaze. Could sunglasses stay on the face when a man tries to shake the napalm off his head? Notice that hands and wrists of those people burned to the bones, too."
"Dead woman near the elevator with clothes absent below her waist. Most likely, she was raped, then doused with a flammable mixture and set aflame."
I am not posting a link for this report, ( forum rules and all ) it is on the Global Research site with the heading "How Neo-Nazi Thugs Supported by Kiev Regime Killed Odessa Inhabitants. Photographic Evidence"
It is not a nice viewing but it is clear evidence that most of these people were murdered, then it was covered up by the police. That Yahoo link above makes more sense with this information.
Clearly Prime Minister Arseniy Yatsenyuk, who went to Odessa to observe mourning for the 42 people who died there in clashes and the fire on Friday knows the truth. I wonder how long it will take the West to stop supporting Nazi thugs.
Good to see AndRand, who supports these Neo Nazi's has clearly forgotten this.
And Poles also didn't forget that all ANTI-NAZI members of Polish Underground State were accused and sentenced usually with death penalty or long prison on those nonsense accusations http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Proces_szesnastu
Plus several dozens thousands in Poland.
That was extremely filthy while those people fought with Nazis during the whole war - the only state without collaborative government and which provided Secret State structures with limited functions.
Not to mention taht it could be the case.
Current Quantative Easing is like Prozac treatment for the depressed. So the investors would have some optimism to invest and maybe wind up economy thru stock exchange indicators.
Meanwhile Europe looks like long term Meth Addict.
It takes a lot of Social, a lot of Cohesives, Agriculturals, it hears voices all the time... And now it wants needle shot to get some energy from drug dealer... When the drug rate is lowered then deep collapse happens like in Greece and rehab is enormously painful.
"The fighting in Odessa escalated Friday when supporters of Ukraine's government tried to clear an encampment of Russian sympathizers on Kulikovo Field Square, burning their tents. Pro-Russians took refuge in the trade union hall on the square. Gas bombs thrown by both sides could have triggered the fire."'
As old Indian said, when you sit in loghouse don't throw fire on those outside.
Actually it means you didn't read the link - in Poland we know both totalitarisms and in fact don't differ them much as they are not different at all.
LOL - USA Today as your source of unbiased information...........
Good luck with that !
If you looked for the Global Research article you'd have seen photo journalism, backing up the statements with photographic proof supporting the statements.
Fundamentally, the neo nazi's murdered and raped those people, eyewitness, photographic evidence, supported indirectly by Arseniy Yatsenyuk's behavior afterwards of sacking the police chiefs. And no, I didn't get the killings confused.
Speaking of which, what do you think of Yulia Timoshenko stating that unless she is elected “I do not want to bear responsibility for the failure of the revolution any longer,” she said. “But if the country elects other president, and, as a matter of fact, I have only one rival now, I think we will have to venture the third round of revolution. Because otherwise I don’t see any chance for changes. I simply know all these people.”
Oh so you got the joke? I dunno. Sometimes I get tired of the Blame America crowd and just give them what they want.
But yeah... I should've came up with a better analogy than the spelling
It was getting late and I remembered most of the flag waver types can't spell for sh!t.