If Ukraine falls... we are next on the list. Just because history is not what people inside Kreml wanted... thus creating propaganda traps, ultimately leading into conflict.

Not the problem with Russian people, but if this kind of shit falls and somehow works into those people, same thing happens... same stuff, same attributes, same lies and actions... different country and much smaller one.

I strongly believe not many will buy it, because we have kept our history very open. But if that loses meaning... nothing matters.

The issue is that Finland is seen as nazism and nazi actions during Winter War between Finland and USSR back then...

...and also because we had technical alliance between us and Nazis. We had no other choice in terms of keeping our independency. We could resist pretty far, but defeat was inevitable without any negotiations.

Ugh...

So, the title really should be: What is happening in Kreml?



This is just madness... I do not need really repeat my words, but I shall this one more time: Who is really pulling the strings?

Propaganda bait.

I dont believe it. It decreases the threat sure but have to be stupid to think it could never happen.

NATO was never real good option for geopolitical reasons...

...but seems like nothing can be seen as neutral anymore.

Once fear is set... there's no way out. Unless serious breach is made for brand new negotiations. However, due the amount of propaganda happening now... out of question.

Two options for Russia... give up for the conflict and face it. Find solution for peace once and for all.
Or destroy whole Ukraine and find next target.

Or 3rd one, Nuclear War.


But... as I mentioned before, something doesn't match up.


EDIT: IF Nato was lead any other country than United States, NATO would have be seen less amount of threat and more on actual valid defense alliance. While it is still defence alliance, actions in history and leaders in past... yeah... complicated.

And using excuse that on Russia. Just because Western countries did so, doesn't make your country any better for doing same thing.


But after all, there are humans too in my neighborhood land ( Russia ). Must be good people, without doubt. Despite some rised tensions, although understandably. The amount of propaganda is so massive that anything goes. Mix-up with valid reason, information and other technical aspects.



Ironically, People in Europe, USA, China and Russia, as well as Ukraine... everybody is shaking their head... "not this way..."

...yet here we are. And if rumors are what they seem to be heard of...

...Holy shit. Value of basic human decreases minute by minute...Yeah sell your soul to great propaganda...World is crazy.


EDIT: And again, as much as I am against this stupid, meaningless conflict, there are valid reasons shown from their perspective. But again, all of them falls on excuse level, leaving the real reason behind, well hidden.

Could be NATO, could be hidden corruption inside Russia or even Ukraine... infiltrates, money, power, information... agents, competition... anything goes... It could even be 3rd party reason... reason could only be just personal... who really knows?

After all the reasons and thoughts from every perspective, by all the cards shown what are currently be shown... who and what to believe? It's really getting off the scale.

And yet, every stone was not flipped over. Kreml claimed they had no other choice. That's absolute bullshit. Regardless of valid reasons or not.


Who is pulling the strings?

Last edited by UnknownMaster21, Wed 23 Mar 2022, 06:50.

Yeah, it's a shame.

It has now been reached out of hands... out of control. Let's see how things will settle now.

EDIT: I mean this propaganda situation

Last edited by UnknownMaster21, Fri 18 Mar 2022, 03:38.

Quote from bishtop :

The thing is we cannot let the threat of WW3 to allow such acts to happen. You must think further down the line, whats next ? Nato countries which then we're threatened with Nuclear Weapons ? , whether it escalates or not, we need more of a backbone

That's why I see our country should stay as neutral. But then again...conflict should not then start?

Therefore nothing is completely neutral...



This nazi discussion... I am aware and most likely there are nazis in Ukraine... but I am pretty sure Russia could have taken them out. Perhaps with force... perhaps one of the reasons...

...but this massively? whole country can't be full of nazis. There must be something more than that. Therefore removing nazis also falls into excuse category as well.

I see Russia as pretty weak as a whole. That doesn't include citizens ( excluding some, as what I have seen and read... there is 0% of honor, immoral actions ).

...but at same time, I feel Russia is not weak at all. Struggling it will though. That's another one which does not match up at all. This is probably yet another shady business, similar to western countries.


So.. who is really pulling some strings? Something is seriously f*cked up... and in somepoint, it will be an ultimate, last words to shout out with oncoming nuclear winter.

With all respect, Ukraine is far from perfect country, and they as we know that. In some cases, pretty powerless. That is not much different to Finland... in here, there is also something stupid going on, with stupid NATO discussion...

...but attacking into one country was never a solution... absolute maniac move! Absolutely there is something else than we see, I am now positive of it... but what?

If people just say things what we currently see from both sides, from both perspectives... while it may be partially true, the whole truth is still hidden...And this bullshit propaganda ain't helping for anyone. Not gonna buy it.


EDIT: if Kreml wants Soviet Union back... or if Putin wants to be into history books as hero... or something else, that failed. Perhaps not so thought in Russia and that is understandable... but making this conflict under the start of globalism, which whole world definitely is not yet ready, it surely starts weakening whole country a lot. Even if whole Ukraine is lost and destroyed, Russia will be somewhat vulnerable on certain cases... that causes fear and even more conflicts arises... which leads whole total world destruction... whoever fears most, attacks first ( if not fleeing, or compromise if found )

If whole earth is shattered into pieces... so be it.



Buuut.... there is still a lot to save!

EDIT: Same thing would happen other way around... Trump was good example.

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Yeah. The reason why you believe Russian leader is it was many, many many many years to build up.

Always be alerted if someone else from outside is saying things like they see it. It is up to you, whether you care, believe or take any actions or not.

There is no 100% trust. Just like there is no 100% free speech.

However, having no 100% trust doesn't mean it isn't enough trustful. It is what it is in humanity.

Like I have said, there is something deeper in this "conflict" what we don't currently see, if ever. I wouldn't trust in any propaganda now. According how this is reacted, seen and thought in everywhere, something doesn't match up at all.

There was a set-up for huge mistake...Or people were fooled out big time... Only because things were not set up correctly in first place... or in 2nd either.

Something doesn't match up. Whatever the case, war should be stopped now.


EDIT: There is chance getting slightly higher, little by little, that this conflict will spread out globally. Fear is cast... And in some point, there is no turning point anymore.

Last edited by UnknownMaster21, Sun 13 Mar 2022, 09:41.

Hmmmm....

World War III chance has been increased ( although very, very slightly, but increased anyway )

Quote from Aleksandr_124rus :

What do you mean?
All human rights are a social construct, they have no material value, its do not fly somewhere in the air that they could point a finger at them. In this sense they are all a myth. But when people talk about human rights, like the the right to freedom of speech, they talk about principles or beliefs about the treaty to which we must adhere. There is nothing absolute. Based on this, there is no absolute freedom of speech.
But everything I have described above is trivial judgments. You probably meant something else. Then explain your position.

No need to. Your comment explains it well. It is how my perspective and my "belief" sees this as whole.

Yea yea yea. I understood. I was thinking out of the box. The motives, real or fake and actual reasons and so on...

Russia could easily pick those up and make those as no longer exist. According bombards, whole country is then as one...


...or is there even something more deeper? wars, conflicts, and situations always contain hidden keypoints, only to be seen much much later, if at all .

That's why there always occurs something... odd

Yeah that was yet another one of mistake what Ukraine had made... and western propagand hiding it away.




But how big this faction is? And even so, it falls on yet another actual excuse. Why no nazis are shown to West?

And even so, in 5 years plus, whats the situation is now then?

Unfortunately, free speech is complete myth. It was never really allowed, and never will be.

Right...I have to say that whole Europe just went on more difficult complexity... Absolute no idea what to do next ( other than stopping the war and saving both Ukrainians and Russians ). Next 168 hours will give us at least somekind of mental impact.

Russia is becoming North-Korea II... Every political move now gives an impact... Every single one!

EDIT: Yea I know, this is more on off topic, but it does take effect on Ukraine and Russia itself too.

Quote from mrwallace888 :

As a bit of a side note, it's kind of funny seeing how all of you guys are discussing this. Both with providing facts and also being civil. As an American, things are hell here, and the way they're fearmongering and twisting things on the media here. Especially on FOX News, too. It seems like a lot of Americans, for whatever reason, are supportive more of the Russians than the Ukrainians. Like I just look at the facts and look at proper sources and have civil discussions, but with Americans they get all pissed off about everything and turn a blind eye. I was talking to someone the other day about the situation and he was going off for like an hour about how shitty Ukraine was and how much they deserved all this with how horribly they treated Russia, and I was just like "What the hell are you even on about?"

I saw a video the other day where a guy was just driving on the road. A Russian tank went out of his way to veer into him and crush the car for no reason. The guy was alive, thankfully, but that's literally a war crime, maybe two. Because intentionally killing a civilian (or trying to) and unnecessarily destroying civilian property are both considered war crimes.

What I think a lot of people, especially Americans, fail to realize sometimes is that not everything is just pure politics. Like this whole Russia V. Ukraine thing. It's less about your political views and more about what's truly at stake. Like it doesn't matter, for example, if you're left-wing or right-wing, because murder is still murder in the end, and murder is wrong. Killing a civilian is still killing a civilian, and killing civilians are wrong.

I just hope things in Ukraine get better. I've been talking to a lot of Ukrainians and they're bloody terrified. But the Russians are, too. I've seen Russian soldiers who are against this, yet they don't really have much of a choice. And with the US starting to get involved, as well as possibly other countries, this may end up becoming World War III, or at least a much bigger conflict than what was originally started.

World War III Prologue... until it's progression is cancelled, in a way or another.

Putin however made valid point. No one want's missiles and military stuff on their neighbour, only to watch when it may happen.

I do not support NATO at all. I swear if it looks like we are going NATO, it will cause so many conflicts that I am considering to stop it by all means. It is serious death wish. It is now far from joke.

However, I do not support Russia either. I want my country to stay as neutral, as much as it can.

There is so many information about between Ukraine and Russia... I guess there are two non-soft leaders with both making mistakes. I wonder if there lies something even deeper than we see now.

West tries too hard to blame Russia for everything. I want to highlight though that Russia is far from being innocent, but I do not buy all the Western propaganda either. To be honest, I can see through on both cases.


EDIT: Furthermore

Whole war should be stopped immediately, having complete time-out. USA, China, and rest of the Europe, all of them seems to have some sort lack of genuine trust. People have forgot we are just damn humans.

What is the real power?


The attack into Ukraine was huge mistake, while quite understandable, people really forgot what Ukraine has become. The real deep issue is that Ukraine was never sorted it out about what it was, and perhaps too much turned out into West.


Sweden, Finland, Ukraine and few other nations are geopolitical between West and East. Both West and East has their own problems and they know it. Both of them are really just power hungry. What these mentioned nations should really do is do like Switzerland has done so far... stay on Neutral.


While I rather support Ukraine here, I shall never believe that much on West about what they offer. It is never a good solution to live on constant fear when two powers are increasing so high that no room to play with it anymore. Ukraine should have stay neutral. Perhaps EU could have been what Russia would have accepted, but nothing more. ( And probably too late now too )

But then again, Putin's actions compared to West... difference? None....


But, there is now 0.0000068% chance to get total world annihilation, and that number is increasing.... if that's what people want, so be it. I won't cry for it.



EDIT:

But, if we are looking into future, it is also understandable why nations are getting united between into West and East category.

Because who really knows? Some complete mad man, out of control, who can't control the power... it's game over. That's why nuclear arsenal were developed in first place. In here I understand more on West, because in Russia and China, there is only one supreme leader and most likely continues to be like so... who really knows?


And there are always 3rd parties... Terrorists, Other nations... even individual threats... Science has gone far and I can bet if those can get all the tools they need in order to seek of power... Chaos won't deplete anytime soon. This is of course quite low chance... but in terms of principal, it is not THAT low chance as you may assume.


Kreml has clearly told to Finland about stay out of NATO... and they are absolute of it. I agree, we should stay on Neutral. Kreml has no interest of Finland or Sweden, because it would had happened already before... Until someone else comes to into lead and simply thinks "I want you, now!"



Humans... Smart on individual, Stupid as **** on mass...



And this is just small portion of what other problems there are...



EDIT: Just to make clear, this is just yet another war between two or more parties... let's check it out whole world... more and more wars going on. Some are local, some are small, but effects may vary.


EDIT: About those wars... the clear statement about humans is that we are beasts... we slay other species for food, race and compete each other. We are nothing much different compared to other animals... it is evolutional thing of us. We may attempt to be like proper civilization, but we can never deny of what we are in first place. That's what power is.


But I repeat my question again: What is the real power?

EDIT: People forgets that world is simply not yet ready for globalization. It is simply impossible to do it in these circumstances... seems like it is some sort of stupid trend by West. Cultural differences are still so much different. And now as nearly whole world is connected to internet... damn...


EDIT: Russians didn't want this, Ukrainians didn't want this... nobody wanted this, no one except Kreml... ( And perhaps at least in theory, some western propaganda ) therefore I quite understand why my nation is getting pushed into NATO...

...the timing is so wrong... probably critical forever. Sweden, Finland and Ukraine should stay Neutral and become actual Buffer states...Neither west of east can have in hands of them. Period. I guess that's what China is really looking and hoping for!


EDIT 16:30 UTC+2: I happened to see some Russian news about this Ukraine war... completely bullbricks. Perhaps attempt to cause fear and confusion for western nations. ( You can see them e.g. YouTube too )

And of course how come, some individual clowns on battle field doing unacceptable stuff, those aren't shown at any costs.

Last edited by UnknownMaster21, Tue 1 Mar 2022, 00:19.

Nice vehicle. Car loses power a bit on high revs. Perhaps ever so little tiny amount improvement would do good there.

Bye Bye limiter cut ;(

Please select the only ultimate one.

Quote from FIZ :

Best looking overall car: ACOSTA STARLIN (Lancia Stratos)
This is a masterpiece from the original creators to the Flame LFS porting.
Unfortunately there is no real rally track on LFS, those rallycross tracks are not really fine, also quite hard to setup for gp tracks.

I like a lot the almost-same-spec but different cars, usually made by the same author, like:
- MRG V8 GTR and LSV 12 GTR
- FT1R and FT28R (freaking amazing)
- VFI-9 and VKI-6

I guess you really didn't read the topic

"Please select the only ultimate one."

Nothing more... nothing less.

Ugh