Well excuse me.... but you gave a poll between the LXR and LX8 BASED on your suggestions, nothing but... and you do not even have the slightest bit of flexibility for other opinions on what one of those cars should be defined as? Your LXR is a pumped up LX with wings that looks worse than a Kia modded by MTV, that is my opinion. Others don't like it, others do. Is there really any thought behind those that are agreeing and saying it would be a perfect competitor for the GTRs? Power/Weight stats and all that will not give it a proper comparison. You'd have to be pretty damn lucky to find such a car that is DEAD ON accurate and balanced with the GTRs. Honestly, be a bit more practical and realistic here... or please understand where I (and many others) am coming from in saying why this so called 'radical' new idea should be thought through, or put to rest.
You obviously are upset when someone disagrees with your whole dream, but then now you act like a responsible mod and I am the one out of control? Gimme a break dude, I am not the only one.
Many have stated that either we'd like to see the LX8 come back because the physics would probably make it reasonably nice OR that we should just have a decent trackday version of the LX. There are plenty more threads than this one that comes with an added bonus 'poll', so don't start pulling that crap that you are just conducting a survey and don't expect us to put some grease into our remarks.
It is either three things:
1) We get the LX8 back again because it just might be drivable with the new physics. Yet it will still be no match for the GTRs, it would still be in its own class, as its performance never can match them.
2) Have a trackday version of the car that is much like a competition version Lotus 7, with slicks. An overall light package, nothing heavy or overdone, rollcage, etc.
3) Debate/argue over various traits: Whether or not it should have wings/downforce, it having a V8, more/less power, or hell... if it should even come back into LFS the more and more we beg. And based on some people's perception of the LX8 as being an uber muscle performer, and others in belief that a superlight trackday version should be the right choice, it seems everyone is always 50/50 with options 1 & 2, and we never come to a consensus here.
Personally, the LX is a nice car, and LFS deserves to have any version of it with slicks. But because this idea has been beaten to hell month after month with threads like these, all you can do is hope that the devs might actually consider it... regardless of how 'out of control' the opinions may seem to you. This IS a suggestion from you, and equates to many other suggestions that get drilled because there is no majority agreement. A good example of a forum suggestion for a new car is the RAC, it was found and put into LFS quite fast.
Furthermore, you asked us a simple question in the beginning of your thread, and you got your answers.
You are debating on an imaginary car... non-existent. Yet you act like it is a reality, and should forcefully impose these ideas onto Scawen and Eric. Scawen always said, "LFS is not a democracy".
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Me saying "Lotus 7" is just a categorical term. Most other companies (like Westfield) are similar in many respects, and all tied in to what Caterham bought rights to from the original Lotus 7... except they make their own versions.
LX6 is a Westfield, LX4 is a Caterham Superlight (more or less).
But yeah, as much as I would LOVE to have a track-day LX, we need more tracks and improvements in other areas first.
LX6 is a Westfield, LX4 is a Caterham Superlight (more or less).
But yeah, as much as I would LOVE to have a track-day LX, we need more tracks and improvements in other areas first.
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What are you smoking today? Lotus 7 is the primary chassis and body design many companies have used for years (50 years to be exact). Is it just a coincidence that the LX looks EXACTLY like one?
Or do you think it is similar to Sir Mix A Lot's Lamborghini? :doh:
The Morgan Aero 8 is not a Lotus 7 at all. And that car is nearly twice the weight of a 7.
On average, the top speeds of the racing Caterhams, like at Caterham Masters, are around 140-155 mph.
On average, the top speeds of the racing Caterhams, like at Caterham Masters, are around 140-155 mph.
You guys don't understand. Is there ANY Caterham out there that has wings that can go 170mph+ ? (OH, and does it race against other cars? Don't start pulling charts from just solo runs at the ring) You can't make such a lightweight car to compare to those GTRs. They have bigger tires, loads more power, probably even a bigger fuel tank.
Come to think of it, you know how stupid it would be to have such a lightweight car with downforce competing against those cars? All you would run into is a really fast handling car, but no speed. The big GTRs would never be a class for this car, it is just silly. And besides, the big GTRs are kept to spec so they are all balanced. This so called LX GTR would not be balanced in any way at all if you tried to put it in that class. Not to mention it would be completely out of place.
The GTRs are representations of saloon/touring cars, and in no way should an LX be punched into that class. All you would get is a very idiotic car that would be made SPECIFICALLY to try and match the big GTR cars. While it would be a wiser decision to match the LX to a real-life counterpart such as the CSR 260, and make it race-spec.
Stop suggesting all these dumb cars that will obviously not fit right into the GTR class.
I agree.
I still don't like that rollcage 
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But why go through all the trouble of making a LXR with wings? It obviously is too absurd to have in LFS. And like Kev says... it takes out all the fun of driving such a machine.
.But why go through all the trouble of making a LXR with wings? It obviously is too absurd to have in LFS. And like Kev says... it takes out all the fun of driving such a machine.
As cool as it may seem, that Donkervoort car was only built with a purpose of going fast at the Ring. It just isn't a nice as a proper racebuilt 7, like this:
http://www.caradisiac.com/php/ ... is/caterham-csr-260-1.php
BADASS
http://www.caradisiac.com/php/ ... is/caterham-csr-260-1.php
BADASS
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I think it would look better if the blue wasn't so 'flourescent', and if you would use less of it on the nose (afaik from seeing many Gulf cars, that classic gulf blue is somewhat saturated/soft and not that bright), and more red on the sides of the car.
Naming it LX GTR Doesn't necessarily mean it will be in the same class as any of the GTRs we currently have.
Rather, the "LXR" would just be in its own class, and should just be a LX racing shell, rollcage, low windscreen, lighter weight, slick tyres, no headlights, and a powerful but small engine making it a really quick little car. Most of all, NO DOWNFORCE. If you purposely tried to fit it into any other GTR class, it would just ruin the car for what its real potential could be. It wouldn't be something to compete with the FWD GTRs, nor would it EVER be as quick as the big GTRs.
Like any series really, the Lotus 7 trackday cars are in a class of their own, and they always run in one field of the same car.
I still voted for the LXR, because the LX8, LX10, or any LX with stupid big wings is just overkill and improperly made. Those models seem great while you think of the specs, but it just doesn't represent a decent racing LX model.
Rather, the "LXR" would just be in its own class, and should just be a LX racing shell, rollcage, low windscreen, lighter weight, slick tyres, no headlights, and a powerful but small engine making it a really quick little car. Most of all, NO DOWNFORCE. If you purposely tried to fit it into any other GTR class, it would just ruin the car for what its real potential could be. It wouldn't be something to compete with the FWD GTRs, nor would it EVER be as quick as the big GTRs.
Like any series really, the Lotus 7 trackday cars are in a class of their own, and they always run in one field of the same car.
I still voted for the LXR, because the LX8, LX10, or any LX with stupid big wings is just overkill and improperly made. Those models seem great while you think of the specs, but it just doesn't represent a decent racing LX model.
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You'd need a MUCH richer baby blue.
lol @ old ferrari from lfsfiles
lol @ old ferrari from lfsfiles
Singularly, why would torque have anything to do with it?
Loads, aero, toe, camber, suspension, pressures, terrain, weight transfer, steering input... the list could keep going for just one factor of causing understeer. You could be at any level of so called "torque" and still get understeer with any one of those issues.
Loads, aero, toe, camber, suspension, pressures, terrain, weight transfer, steering input... the list could keep going for just one factor of causing understeer. You could be at any level of so called "torque" and still get understeer with any one of those issues.
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As much as this may sound wrong or right, I just define understeer as:
The front wheels have a larger turning radius potential than the rear wheels.
:zombie: Or, basically, the RAC.
Because you cannot say it is entirely due to just loads on the tires or whatnot, it is tons of other things that can cause it. And understeer will always be evident, no matter how hard you try to get rid of it (well you can't get rid of it).
The front wheels have a larger turning radius potential than the rear wheels.
:zombie: Or, basically, the RAC.
Because you cannot say it is entirely due to just loads on the tires or whatnot, it is tons of other things that can cause it. And understeer will always be evident, no matter how hard you try to get rid of it (well you can't get rid of it).
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I am getting that Antec case when I build my new system. Many of my friends have bought it, and it was my top choice when I was searching around online. It is a popuplar buy.
If you don't like the door, you can fold it back and it will stay almost flush and attach to the side of the system. Eza showed me a video of how that works: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uJZdd7qhDiE
Though this is overall a better review video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IbDD3VeDnmE
I personally like the removable fan filters that you can clean.
If you don't like the door, you can fold it back and it will stay almost flush and attach to the side of the system. Eza showed me a video of how that works: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uJZdd7qhDiE
Though this is overall a better review video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IbDD3VeDnmE
I personally like the removable fan filters that you can clean.
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The kind of (repetitive) suggestions from fans these days is just sad, really sad. Makes you wonder how people percieve LFS, or if they ever listen.... let alone search the forums.
Endplates are sometimes curved or have this so called 'flick' because they are designed to reduce drag from the actual wings that create disturbances in the vortices they leave behind.
I don't know why you think that moving the endplates will give you some kind of extra downforce.
Some endplates (or parts of them) are curved or twisted so that they can reduce airflow impacting the leading end of your tires. F1 adopted this a while ago, that is why you see the BF1 with these designs (they either direct airflow to the inside for the radiators, or to the outside.
There really is no point in having to rotate the endplates, you don't 'point' them hoping it will act like toe-in/out, you've got it all wrong.
First the undertray needs to be properly modelled, not the stupid endplates.
I don't know why you think that moving the endplates will give you some kind of extra downforce.
Some endplates (or parts of them) are curved or twisted so that they can reduce airflow impacting the leading end of your tires. F1 adopted this a while ago, that is why you see the BF1 with these designs (they either direct airflow to the inside for the radiators, or to the outside.
There really is no point in having to rotate the endplates, you don't 'point' them hoping it will act like toe-in/out, you've got it all wrong.
First the undertray needs to be properly modelled, not the stupid endplates.
I've never heard of being able to rotate the endplates on any series or car.
But they DO allow for different sizes of endplates on the wings. They usually help control oversteer or understeer, and make the car point in the right direction... kind of like rudders. That is at least what I know from the old CART days, where they had many different sizes to use. They help control drag too.
But they DO allow for different sizes of endplates on the wings. They usually help control oversteer or understeer, and make the car point in the right direction... kind of like rudders. That is at least what I know from the old CART days, where they had many different sizes to use. They help control drag too.
Similar on some parts to the 340R, but nope not one of those 
. Basically this is more like a Lotus 7 layout.
. Basically this is more like a Lotus 7 layout.Afaik, Some may say to keep it the same because those drivers use the object shadows for cues of braking or turn-in.
I have trouble playing it. Massively high bitrate for my old crap PC probably. But it isn't smooth.
Looks nice... but I have a hunch it is too easy to drift that car... at least that is how it appears (all ISI games are rather easy to drive on the limit). I posted a comment though... I request an onboard vid 
Slightly? My god LFS models are so plain... we don't have any car that is uber detailed. 7's in reallife look sooo nice, and they've done a good job on their models... LFS's models have never looked that good, I just wish they could some day, because the LX cars are my favorite of all. Don't want to get this thread in a loop of talking about how LFS is falling behind in detail... so I'll keep that short
Ok thanks for spoiling it smarty pants :rolleyes:
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