Quote from AndRand :

I prolly messed up renaming folders first, what I was prompted by Ian.H's prog.
thx Ian

Ah yeah, I guess my program wasn't designed to deal with manual interference.. apologies for the misunderstanding.
Good to see Ian was able to help you anyway

Quote from d6nn :

fastie

Nice one! That might eventually end up as a poster in my room... thanks!

XF GTR at South City Chicane Course

Quote from AndRand :

i got similar problem. I ran Splttael's prog - it renamed old files (now in "setups" folder) into new format, the new ones (in separate folder) into old format... brilliantly... but LFS now sees the new ones only

Hmm, I don't really understand what's wrong here? It renames fine and it locates the files into the right directory, but LFS doesn't see it?

Quote from AndRand :

(though they have old format like FO8_Race_S.set :shrug

Just to be clear, that filename you mention is in the new format, not the old!

Quote from traxxion :

Sorry for a semi-repost but if I remember correctly from an interview Victor has done, he doesn't look at the Improvement Suggestions section a lot.
Now I really wonder whether the following can be called a "bug" (or rather "mistake-in-thinking" - not meant in a harsh way, just don't know how to put it correctly), or if there is a good reason for calculating it like that!

--> http://www.lfsforum.net/showthread.php?t=17483 <--

Sorry for quoting myself, but I take it this has been turned down as "not a bug" and "a silly suggestion" ?

Edit: lol, a year ago already? :O

Quote from Victor :

And yes, very good chance i'll be going again next year. And not just to Zandvoort i hope.

Cool! I'll be on the lookout for that 350Z then!

Quote from gtman :

hey guys have no clue on wat to do??? it jsut says that wen i open the lfs game it goes and error and says data/skins/default_jpg or something lie that? wtf do i do?

Sorry to hear it doesn't work.. if you'd mind to repeat the above in proper English so I can actually understand what you're trying to say, I'll try my best to help you out..

Quote from traxxion :

I can think of the following two things:
1. Make sure you select the "LFS\data\settings\" for the Old settings directory (top textbox).
2. Make sure you don't change the values for New settings directory (middle textbox) and New colours directory (bottom textbox) after it's derived from the original settings path.

Does that work?

Quote from Lee531 :

could you please tell me wot to do if i would like to rename them for example this is one of the setups (one that i cant use) XR GT TURBO_drifter.set to what???
a fast reply would be helpfull a LOT
thanks
Lee

XR GT TURBO_drifter.set = XRT_drifter.set
XF GTR_as1_race.set = XFR_as1_race.set
XF GTI_bl1_qual.set = XFG_bl1_qual.set
etc.

So change from full names to three letter prefixes

Quote from wolfbr :

I´d like to know where is it this explanation about this new setting system in the LFS page????

All I can find is this:

Quote :

Setup and colour config files now use three letter prefix

Source: http://www.lfsforum.net/showthread.php?p=639896#post639896

Quote from traxxion :

I can think of the following two things:
1. Make sure you select the "LFS\data\settings\" for the Old settings directory (top textbox).
2. Make sure you don't change the values for New settings directory (middle textbox) and New colours directory (bottom textbox) after it's derived from the original settings path.

If that doesn't work, please give me shout so I can investigate more thorough

Quote from Kris-Is-Awesome :

Well, i'm installing the framework now. It appears as if the new install has deleted ALL of my old setups. in the setups folder, all i see are the race_s setups for each of the vehicles... what happened?

There has been a change in the folder structure and file name format with the launch of LFS patch Y. That's exactly what this application is for.. if you select the old "settings" directory in your LFS folder, it will rename the files to patch Y standards and place them in the appropriate folders.

I found that in real-life there are much more important parameters to give you feedback. The "on-the-edge feeling" really comes from the grip level of the tyres and you get that feeling through the wheel via your hands, and through the seat via your buttocks - to your brains. Those two very important parameters are things that either don't exist (unless you have that Force Dynamics machine) or hardly exist (Force Feedback in the wheel is quite good, but by far not good enough to simulate the real-life feedback) in LFS.

Besides that, the good thing about racing compared to normal road driving is that you don't have to look at the speedo

@Victor: hope you were't involved in the crash that day on Zandvoort? Pity I wasn't there this time, car's in repair at the moment. Any chance you're going again sometime next year?

Thanks for the roses everyone!

Quote from koolby :

congrats on doing some useless job, everything is changed and old setups are USELESS. Just make new one's.

I'd think the old setups are a good base, when developing / adapting setups for the new physics? But if it turns out the old setups really are completely useless, you can still use the app for renaming the car's colour schemes.

Hi Victor, just a small bug in the wrs list, requested by &action=wr

Quote :

560 411 XRT 37350 83530 0 123440 513 BlueFlame
561 211 25370 44180 0 65990 513 Maddin15

FBM is missing in Maddin15's line

Quote from NoPistons :

but was is .NET Framework 2.0?

and will splattaels' program work if I don't have .NET whatever it is.

I used Wikipedia for some help to answer your question correctly:

Quote :

The Microsoft .NET Framework is a software component that is a part of Microsoft Windows operating systems. It provides a large body of pre-coded solutions to common program requirements, and manages the execution of programs written specifically for the framework. The .NET Framework is a key Microsoft offering, and is intended to be used by most new applications created for the Windows platform.

Source: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/.NET_Framework

And yes, if I understood correctly there is no need for this framework if you use splattael's application.
You will notice soon enough if the .NET Framework isn't installed on your pc though. The error message will tell you without any harm done

EDIT: Good to hear it worked I'll leave this post in case someone else is wondering about the same question.

Quote from Kirill.D :

Hmmm... am i cursed or something, why does every die after i post in it ... Is this event still happening , i practiced A LOT for that. Its just strange, if i enter to some event or smth, thread dies and noone talks or gives any sign of life

Hehe don't worry, sure it's still on!
Fact that this thread is quiet at the moment just means that everyone is practising like mad!
On a more serious note, I think the thread is quiet because everyone know's how/what/where/when it's going to happen. And since the drivers list is already full there's no one applying anymore either Just make sure you're ready, I'm sure this is going to be fun!

Quote from Minimaxman :

One thing that perhaps needs to be made clear for those not as clued up as the rest (*cough*ME*cough*) is that when the old skins folder is renamed and placed in the new colours folder, the user still needs to copy the old skins into the new skins folder aswell.

There should be no changes in the skins folder structure if you're updating from patch X?

Quote from thisnameistaken :

Change is inevitable and change is good, but you have to draw the line somewhere.

That line will slowly fade while the current Quake-generation grows up. It doesn't matter whether words are invented on the streets or on the internet, as soon as more and more people speak and understand that language it is inevitably going to be considered official at some point.

Just to make clear; nowhere did I say I think the time is right, now... And I'm not even a supporter of the change as such. Hell, I can't help but laugh when a friend (and LFS team mate) of mine says "omg" when we talk in real-life...

But I'm 100% sure it's going to happen sooner or later.

Last edited by traxxion, Wed, 19 Dec 2007 12:58.

Quote from Scawen :

Yes they need work. It's very difficult for me to write computer programs that can drive as fast as you. What you see now is the result of a couple of months of making them drive as fast as I could achieve in that time. I can often work a day on AI and they will gain a tenth of a second. Some days I could work all day and gain a hundredth. There is loads more I can do but it will take months. The next thing I think I should focus on is improving their ability to understand bumpy road surfaces. But this will not be before Patch Y.

Fair enough!

Just to make this clear: I don't even want to think about how difficult it is to program AI's and I have big respect for you - for how they behave already (having a hard time keeping up with the pro FBMW's!).
I posted this to avoid the possibility that you didn't know about this big difference in speed with this particular car and tracks (at least the gap seems bigger than with other cars). Maybe there was something obvious / easy to be changed to fix it for these particular combo's. But I see you're well aware of this "problem", and am looking forward to see the improvements in the future.

PS Sorry for the signature, couldn't resist!

Quote from Scawen :

... The focus so far has been their speed and racing reliability...

This has triggered me to post here. Been trying some practise races with AI XF GTR's on South City Classic and Blackwood Grand Prix reversed. On both tracks the AI's - set to Pro level - were about 3 seconds slower than me, and not improving much over the length of a couple of 15 lap races.

Now I know I'm seriously, insanely, superduper fast (:tilt.. but 3 seconds over 1 minute-ish laps on pro level makes me think their speed really needs some work? Or is this very setup-related? Is it possible a setup makes three seconds difference for AI's?

Edit: On a side-note, why is it the AI never use the full length of qualifying to set a time?

Quote from N!sse :

Oh your the man

Ian's proggie didnt rename all the files, but yours did so thanks many times..

Thanks, you're welcome, and happy birthday!

Quote from koolby :

what boders me the most about reporting is that it takes impossibly long untill it's even assigned to an admin! takes like a week...

What difference does it make for you, if it takes one day or one week?
These people are doing this for your pleasure in their spare time, give them a break?

Good to hear you got it working Kev, and thanks for the feedback Damian_Doyle and dungbeetle!

Quote from dougie-lampkin :

W00T, a talking dictionary!

Hahaha!

My opinion on this: internet/text message words should be considered proper words at one point. Anyone who thinks different is too conservative in my opinion. You can't live in the past, the world is moving on..

At first these changes seem stupid, but time heals all wounds... Try to dig up a medieval book from your nearest library (if you even know where to find one ) and ask yourself: do I still want to be talking like that?

Imagine a forum with "Thou shalt not drift, Thou fool, what dost thou to this game, Thou shalt know what the beauty of racing is."