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STROBE
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I'm sure CTRA Race 1 has it's faults (I tend not to visit much, just what I've heard), but if you can't/won't handle the beginner CTRA server then I doubt you'll manage anywhere else. Race1 attracts lots of newbies and n00bs, but ultimately the licensing system makes people accountable for their actions, unlike most other servers.

Besides, I've just been briefly watching it on LFS Remote, and the racing on Race1 looks pretty damn clean and of a high standard right now. Get yourself on there.
STROBE
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Quote from TiJay :With the other couriers, I've always been able to track my parcels and I feel secure knowing it's actually going to arrive.

Royal Mail isn't a courier in the same sense as Citylink/UPS/etc. It's a postal service with a universal service obligation. Couriers are better for larger or heavier items, but a recorded delivery jiffy bag is way cheaper with Royal Mail.
STROBE
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Quote from tristancliffe :Which reminds me - Andrew is busy for the Spa weekend, meaning not only will I be short of a pit hand, but also of an official photographer. I could be pursuaded to take someone local (either to me or to Spa), as long as they are handy with a spanner (by handy I meant totally and utterly competent in a professional type of way) and cam wield a camera... Submissions on a postcard to...

Heh. I have lenses to cover all the necessary situations, and batteries and CF cards to last all weekend. Unfortunately my hands-on mechanical skills and experience are best described as "basic", and that would be being polite. Not that my bank balance could withstand it either.
STROBE
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Yes, I do know that. Thank you for spoiling my analogy.

Bastard.
STROBE
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Quote from Hyperactive :http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1PO1qeWMfTM

I'll never complain about James Allen again. At least he's slightly more descriptive than "ayeayayayayayayayayayayayayayay" when something of note happens.
STROBE
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Quote from Mackie The Staggie :OK, I have sat on this for far too long and is now eating away at me for so long, but any more and I'll explode.....and that ain't good for my health.:mad:

1. The New Citroën C5 advert.

That C5 advert is awful. It's everywhere, and it's shamelessly trying to rub off the reputation of its' more successful German cousins. No, it's still a Citroen, it's still made in France when they're not on strike, and the value of one still plummets faster than a lemming with a lead coat and no parachute.

Quote from Mackie The Staggie :2. Skoda Fabia advert

Eh? That's a cool ad. The song gets on my nerves, but the idea is new.

Quote from Mackie The Staggie :3. Renault Megane advert

Better than the ad for the yellow Megane Sport where all the components race each other down corridors and fling themselves at the car. All that says to me is "this is how carefully we build Renaults. We fling components at them and some of them break on the way there."

Quote from Mackie The Staggie :4. Even the sodding chocolate bar ... it!!!!!!:irked::banghead:

That's a shit ad. This one is one of the coolest ads ever made though.
STROBE
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Quote from Luke.S :I could contact kia motors through my local dealer.

Kias are wonderfully reliable but they're so boring that I think they should be paying Scavier to feature their cars in the game.

Something like a warm Suzuki Swift would be a neat addition to the game though. They're supposed to be good fun to drive.

Me, I'm not too bothered about real cars in LFS at the moment. Maybe in the future when the sounds and physics are improved, it'd be worthwhile. But a real car in LFS at the moment wouldn't sound right and would be subject to the same physics and differential/drivetrain quirks as the fictional cars. So we may as well stick with fictional cars for now.
STROBE
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Well I do have to agree that development speed is... well rather leisurely these days.

Scawen has given his reasons for this, and many congratulations to him on his beautiful little girl. It's up to us whether we accept these reasons or not.

Personally, I both do and don't. I can accept that serious physics improvements, such as ground force/undertray aerodynamics and engine damage and aero damage are major projects that require research and careful implementation. It's understandable that these are saved for major reworks of the physics stuff. It's understandable that kids and family are also a priority. He'd be daft to ignore his kids in favour of sitting infront of a screen for 12 hours a day.

What's not understandable is still waiting for GTR interiors, finalised S2 car models, and the obvious lack of new content. I know we all paid up for S2 Alpha knowing what the content was. And some of us paid for S1 Alpha knowing what the content was, and we didn't get anything new except the MRT until S2. I suspect the same will be true this time around too. But something is needed to rejuvenate the game.

I've taken quite a break from LFS recently, but have also started racing again in the past couple of weeks. The break has done me good and refreshed my appetite for driving LFS, but jeez... the tracks aren't half feeling tired these days. Same old Aston, the most used environment of all... same old Fern Bay that we've had for so many years now and feels really quite dated... refreshed Blackwood is a bonus, but rather than refreshing existing tracks, can't we also have a new one? And I agree with the comments that no way can it take a talented graphical artist like Eric this long to finalise the new interiors. There's either something else in the pipeline, or he's working on other projects.

LFS still feels the best, and yes I enjoy driving it, but I also can't help but wonder where we're going. If we were to get radiator and engine temp damage (which will have a revolutionary impact on online play), an improved engine/mechanical damage model in general, refined aero simulation, more realistic consequences of tyre temperature, and a new track environment, then I reckon you could put a stamp on S2 and call it "final". I'll live without shinier graphics or a half dozen new cars or day/night transitions or dynamic weather - they can wait until S3 as long as we get some core upgrades and a new track environment soon.

John Penn asked for packed servers with clean drivers. True, you can't code for that. But I bet a lot of the 'old timers' have fallen by the wayside due to lack of new content and features, to be replaced by newer, younger drivers. And newer, youngr drivers by definition have less racecraft, less experience and less anticipation thna the guys that started driving LFS five years ago.

I do think that new features are coming. It just takes a long time for one guy to code them. And we either need to accept that or go play something else, no matter how many of these threads pop up (which is a shame, as for example if an audio/visual specialist were added to the LFS dev team, it would free Scawen to concentrate solely on the physics and racing side of things). As for new content, your guess is a good as mine....
STROBE
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Quote from Waffenaffe :I love LFS and when i could be a Girl,i want to marry with u xD



Sorry to say that Scawen is taken.

On topic: gave Y15 a quick test last night, and couldn't find any problems. Just looking forward to this patch going official, so that my main LFS installation looks smooth and anti-aliased. Regarding the virtual start lights, I don't think they're really important, and can't believe people really think it's a significant issue that they've changed slightly. You only see them once per race for a few seconds (unlike the actual start lights, which you see every lap when you go past the start line) and as long as they're clear and do the job, then it's job done imho.
STROBE
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Quote from mythdat :ITV and Hamilton share the golden arse award - ITV for choosing to go to an ad break rather than show the press conference, and Hamilton for cocking up the start, driving into the back of Alonso and then making gestures at anyone who "dared" to try to race him... a true backmarker monkey drive today

Well said.

I don't think this one race is an opportunity to write Hamilton off - the real proof of his character & skill will be how well he bounces back (depending of course on how competitive the McLaren is). It was a pretty embarassing grand prix all round for the British drivers - all of whom seemed to manage to drive into someone. And what is it about Coulthard's car that makes other cars want to hump it every other race?
STROBE
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Quote from Gnomie :Just an experiment: if, as we assume, 1/4 of the 200,000 racers actually bought a licence, that means 50,000 licences have been sold. Seems from the graphs that ~ 1/3 of these were bought in the S1 days. Assuming that half of these again upgraded to S2, the LFS team should have gotten about 1,1£ in total income. Let's say 1 million, then. So in the 5 years since the first release, each of the three developers should have had an average annual income of somewhere around 70,000£. Not too shabby. But of course they have to pay for all kinds of development related stuff. So I guess we could safely cut that figure in half.

Ummm... you seem to have overlooked the little issue of tax (business & personal), the overheads of running lfs.net, LFSW and the master server, and the fact that the profit from S2 isn't steady and guaranteed each month like a regular salaried job would be. Even though none of this is any of our business anyway.
STROBE
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Quote from amp88 :I knew there was more to your previous comment when you made it...

Have you had a bad experience with Overclockers and pre-ordering stuff previously?

I've only used them once before but a mate of mine pre-ordered a new Athlon from them a couple of years ago and got it the day of the release, so I was expecting them to be pretty good now.

I'm starting to wonder now though, because the RAM which was supposed to come in stock yesterday now isn't in stock and there's no ETA

And yeah, they have charged my card.

I'll just quote myself from another forum...
Quote from me elsewhere :I actually found OcUK to be really good (including for RMAs) when I used them - but this was many years ago, "back in the day" so to speak when they served up high performance hardware at good prices, when the two original founders were at the helm. Since then, it appears to have all gone horribly wrong - mainly due to greed, it seems. Admittedly that's not based on my own experience, but there's no smoke without fire. I think the horror stories, the racism allegations (which go hand-in-hand with the forum where many people think Hitler was a little bit too left-wing), the leaks from their appalling admin/staff forum, internet hate clubs/spoof sites, allegations of selling returned stock as new, tales of shockingly rude returns/technical staff, many mentions of "trading standards" etc etc all speak for themselves, should there be any problems with your order.

Personally there's no way I'll ever shop there when there's decent places like scan and ebuyer, and no penny of mine is going to Mark Proudfoot. You've got to be careful what you say about them though. It would appear they would much rather get their lawyers after a forum owner to remove libellous comments than spend those resources just sorting out refunds or RMAs and improving their reputation in the first place. I've also read enough stories to accept that Stoke Trading Standards have OcUK on speed dial.

My advice: wait as long as you're content to wait (if it's a 45nm Intel chip you're waiting for, they're in generally short supply and every retailer is subject to delays from their distributers no matter what the product). But if you ask for a refund and they're not forthcoming or they obviously keep lying about what they acually have in stock, ask your credit card company to do a charge back instead. Sometimes it seems to be the only way with them. It's bad practice of them to charge your card immediately anyway. Good retailers tend not to do that.
STROBE
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Still waiting on Overcockers, eh? Have they charged your credit card?
STROBE
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Aww, congratulations! Looks really cute.

Wonder who she inherited that hair from?
STROBE
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Quote from Victor :For me it's not so much the karting event that's the event, i'm looking forward to the drive up there too! So why take a boat And if i go through the south of England, then i can pay a visit to some people as well.

If i wouldn't have to go alone, i would drive all around europe, just for fun. I enjoy every second behind the wheel, even if i'm in a jam

http://vic.lfs.net/pics/350z_1.jpg

Very nice. One of the directors at my work used to have a 350Z, they look even better in the flesh than in photos imo.

If you want to make a point of the driving, I'd still recommend the boat, and use the driving time you've saved to instead take a trip up north to the borders and Scotland, then come back down the west coast and through the lake district towards the ferry for the Isle of Man. Much more interesting than sitting on the A1 coming up from the south. I've had the dubious pleasure of having to do the Newcastle-London drive a few times recently, and, well, I'd be stunned if there's anyone that can actually get any pleasure from it.

Although I guess a 350Z is a good antidote to the awful roads and traffic and speed cameras.
STROBE
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Quote from mrodgers :I have seen some fantastic HDR photographs. HDR can really bring out the detail in some late evening shots.

Tbh, I doubt many people would dispute that. HDR is an excellent tool when used to enhance an image, not create an image.

Quote from mrodgers :HDR does not equal cartoony photographs. HDR equals bringing out and lighting the detail in shadows while not blowing out the detail in the light.

Also true, but it's a bit like saying that glamour photography is classy. This is also true as technically, glamour photography can be all about the beauty and figure and form, but upon hearing the word "glamour", most people just think "tits, arse, sex appeal". In much the same way that for many (most?) people, HDR automatically leads the to create overcooked fake looking images.
STROBE
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I'm not sure what's more comedic/pathetic.

The young, new, naive, unworldly kids arguing on the internet

or

The adult self-proclaimed real life worldly hard guy arguing on the internet.


My money's on the latter.
STROBE
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Quote from harjun :how the hell is it gonna accellerate?

Well Concorde didn't seem to have too much of a problem accelerating with it's turbojet engines...
STROBE
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Quote from Jakg :God I love HDR!

I don't...

Quote from Don :i hate that kind of "hdr", 90% of the hdr photos on the internets are heavily overdone and ugly (imho ofcourse)

Wooo, glad I'm not the only one. Imo, that kind of HDR/tonemapping is the photographic equivalent of a Hummer H2 with neons and spinners. Lots of bling, but too showy and not enough substance.

It's all a matter of taste of course, but it makes me wonder when you get some shots with massively overcooked HDR or other PP, and people love them.

Has nobody heard of graduated ND filters?
STROBE
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Quote from Victor :well see if you go from Holland to Sunderland via the chunnel, then those 3-4 hours is peanuts

Unless you really want to spend several hours sitting in heavy traffic around London and in the south east, I'd suggest getting the ferry (DFDS Seaways) from Amsterdam to Newcastle. I've just checked and it's quoting only £86 for a one-way trip in August at the moment (don't know when you'll be going back, but a return will be better value, obviously).

(EDIT) oops, I tell a lie, that was the passenger only price. £173 once you add a vehicle.
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STROBE
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Perfect gear ratios for what? Driving flat out for miles in a straight line?
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No, we don't need top speed courses, huge long runways, or anything else similar. What are you going to do with it once you've maxed each car? And how many minutes of entertainment will that provide in exchange for the hours spent building the environment (time that could be spent building proper tracks & environments)?
STROBE
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Quote from Stang70Fastback :Very rarely. Most homes have a fake brick facade and that's it.

But... why? Cheapness? Availability of raw materials? A wooden house just seems archaic when everything is built of brick and stone here. We have badly built houses too - my flat doesn't have a single right angle anywhere in it, and my parents' house built in the 1960s is the same. But isn't a wooden house a little bit of a fire risk?
STROBE
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Quote from Panda X :Why are some of you bashing him? It's stupid to bash him because of what he likes.

I'm no expert on GT, but I think they're bashing because he claimed the physics and realism were better than LFS and rFactor.

Which, let's face it, is a bashable (and hilarious) offence. You don't need to be a rocket scientist to figure which is a mainstream game and which is a sim. Nothing wrong with mainstream games - until you try and claim they're more realistic than sims.
STROBE
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Quote from Glenn67 :The best way to reward safe driving is make the sim more realistic (better damage modeling, dynamic track conditions, racing line, better tyre modeling in regard to wear and damage due to misuse, etc)

I agree.

Two words: radiator damage. It'll transform online play and imho should be the top priority to be introduced.

Quote from Dajmin :However, I still think a reputation system like forums or Xbox Live has would be good.
You have a good race with someone, you vote them up. You have a bad experience with someone, you vote them down. Servers can be set up to automatically block people with a repuation above or below a certain level.

Sounds like a bad idea to me, as any such system could be open to abuse. We already have/had retards racing each other constantly over 2 laps on the oval to be at the top of the LFSW statistics. Far better to let the physics and reality of the simulation sort the good guys from the bad.
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