Don't bank on it, I like being rather anonymous. :shhh:
Yeah, but you know how the saying goes. Keep repeating something often enough, and eventually it will be accepted as fact. It's been done in the UK with speeding, leading to a culture of myopic drivers who think that because they're doing 25mph in a 30 zone or 55mph in a 70, then they're automatically "safe" as they veer across lanes, fail to indicate or look in the mirror, fail to comprehend roundabouts, etc etc.
The worrying thing is that some people will believe this crap the Lib Dem is spouting. Lib Dem politics works well at grass roots/local levels imho, but dear god don't let them get any power nationally or internationally.
Does this pratt have any electronic mail contact details, so that we could educate him, en masse, about how he's a clueless idiot?
What's with all this bragging about passing driving tests with only a few lessons? I passed mine first time with no lessons at all in a near flawless run, but you don't hear me bragging about it. Well, until that last sentence there, admittedly. 
As for lane widths, US lanes are a hell of a lot wider than UK/European roads. Put it this way - an American SUV comfortably fits within it's lanes in the US, but I've seen large American Ford SUVs over here (there used to be a guy in the vicinity of where I used to live that imported and sold American cars, trucks and SUVs), and it was pretty much up against the lane markings on either side, with no room for maneouvre within the lane. A Hummer over here won't physically fit in most lanes and would have the same difficulties as an HGV when it comes to negotiating small roundabouts, etc. I think I recall reading that the road infrastructure in the US is on average 30% larger than the rest of the world - this includes lanes, parking spaces, junctions, etc. But don't quote me on that.
Lane position while cornering, you shouldn't be taking the racing line. Cornering on public roads has nothing to do with corning on a race track. It might be fun, and let you take the corner a bit quicker or give your passengers a smoother ride by blending out the corner, but it won't win any points towards getting from A to B quickly and safely. For Americans driving on the right hand side of the road, you should hang to the right on a left hand bend, and vice versa. It's all about visibility around the corner/junction. If you can't judge where the offside of your car is, you need a smaller car.
Edit @ Dan above: those signs used to mean exactly that.
As for lane widths, US lanes are a hell of a lot wider than UK/European roads. Put it this way - an American SUV comfortably fits within it's lanes in the US, but I've seen large American Ford SUVs over here (there used to be a guy in the vicinity of where I used to live that imported and sold American cars, trucks and SUVs), and it was pretty much up against the lane markings on either side, with no room for maneouvre within the lane. A Hummer over here won't physically fit in most lanes and would have the same difficulties as an HGV when it comes to negotiating small roundabouts, etc. I think I recall reading that the road infrastructure in the US is on average 30% larger than the rest of the world - this includes lanes, parking spaces, junctions, etc. But don't quote me on that.
Lane position while cornering, you shouldn't be taking the racing line. Cornering on public roads has nothing to do with corning on a race track. It might be fun, and let you take the corner a bit quicker or give your passengers a smoother ride by blending out the corner, but it won't win any points towards getting from A to B quickly and safely. For Americans driving on the right hand side of the road, you should hang to the right on a left hand bend, and vice versa. It's all about visibility around the corner/junction. If you can't judge where the offside of your car is, you need a smaller car.
Edit @ Dan above: those signs used to mean exactly that.
It's no good Tristan, they won't listen to you. They've got their fingers in their ears, loudly singing "lalalala", whenever just about the entire forum tries to tell them that they're wrong, or can't race for shit.
The only positive outcome that could result of this and the "grr, whose fault was this?" thread is if the pair found themselves listed on the wrecker barricade so that those of us (the forum majority) who enjoy close, fair, hard and above all fun racing don't have to worry about people "presenting themselves" (*cough*) or pretending they know how to race with other cars on the track, or just plain careless, aggressive, race-ruining driving.
In the meantime, this thread will probably just rumble on with the occasional argument over their driving, with them not learning or listening, until a mod closes it.
The only positive outcome that could result of this and the "grr, whose fault was this?" thread is if the pair found themselves listed on the wrecker barricade so that those of us (the forum majority) who enjoy close, fair, hard and above all fun racing don't have to worry about people "presenting themselves" (*cough*) or pretending they know how to race with other cars on the track, or just plain careless, aggressive, race-ruining driving.
In the meantime, this thread will probably just rumble on with the occasional argument over their driving, with them not learning or listening, until a mod closes it.
Looks like I'll have to add Goodwood to my "places to go with the slr" list. 
That's SLR as in digital camera, not a slightly ugly Mercedes.
That's SLR as in digital camera, not a slightly ugly Mercedes.
Lmao, there aren't that many ambulances at real race tracks, sunshine.
Your driving was awful, throughout the whole replay. Rude, dirty, illegal, unsporting, dangerous, and above all, immature. But then I think most folk know what to expect of you by now.
Is the ban a long-term one? If so, I must drop by the dsrc servers more often.
Aww, Leo's so cute. Nice to see the page being updated, I had no idea it was! Those pics of him with the G25 and an LX6 are quality!
Nice to see the page being updated, I had no idea it was! Those pics of him with the G25 and an LX6 are quality!I'll second that - I remember test driving the 130bhp 1.9 TDI engine in a Seat Ibiza (although I went for the petrol 1.8T 20v in the end). Was good for a diesel, lots of torque - although like most diesels no sooner do you get going than it runs out of revs & air, and you've got to reach for the next gear.
If I had to do high mileage I'd definitely have gone for the 1.9 TDI and been happy with it. Especially, as mentioned, they're easily "adjusted" for more grunt. In fact, iirc, it's not unknown for the "130bhp" TDIs to be putting out rather more, completely unmodified.
The downside to the TDI Bora is that, speaking very generally, every Bora I encounter seems to be driven by an utter and complete f***ing twat who makes it his mission in life to drive as dangerously and aggressively as possible. I dunno what it is about them, it's just a Golf with a boot, and you see Golfs being driven in all manner of styles. Maybe they use the boot to put their brain in when driving.
Oh, you mean the caveats I raised in my post that he was replying to? Thanks.
As it happens, I work in market research too, although the company I work for is purely on the research side, and we cover both qual and quantitative work. I second EK's comments about the people we meet as our clients - utterly single-minded about pushing their product and winning market share. You can dismiss such concerns if you like, but the fact remains that the LFS market is advertising nirvana for those peddling less than family friendly products. If there's going to be auto in-game advertising, especially if rotated on occasion to introduce new ads, then there's going to have to be some kind of content checking.
Not scaremongering or "silly", just thinking of the necessary precautions required to implement an otherwise good idea.
It gets my full support, in principle.
However it must have option to turn off. Most people here will be on broadband so occasionally downloading an extra jpg (assuming that billboards get stored locally just like skins) can't really be a problem, but for whatever reason there will be times you don't want to download stuff.
Otherwise, I think it would add greatly to the immersion and realism. Real tracks change. Thinking of things like the British GP at Silverstone for example, the general "look" of the track can transform dramatically between years if the primary sponsor changes. Imagine if LFS tracks had the same capability, and (eg) the Redline Racing server looked noticeably different from a ConeDodgers server.
The other caveat I can think of is some kind of content filtering system. mainly to prevent inappropriate adverts. In the world of online advertising, LFS is to BF2 what ITV4 at 11pm is to ITV1 at 8pm. And the only adverts on ITV4 at 11pm are all for sex phone lines and other random crap. With skins the content is controlled by virtue of it all being on the LFSW server. So billboards could be added to the list, but then the bandwidth costs go up again so the devs would need paying by the advertisers, and it gets rather complicated.
But what other techniques could stop abuse or inappropriate ad placement? Having them hosted on the race server itself would be convenient, but wouldn't there still need to be a check via LFSW/master server about the content? How does EA/BF2 police the in-game advertising?
I think it's a great idea, just can't quite envisage at the moment how it'd work.
However it must have option to turn off. Most people here will be on broadband so occasionally downloading an extra jpg (assuming that billboards get stored locally just like skins) can't really be a problem, but for whatever reason there will be times you don't want to download stuff.
Otherwise, I think it would add greatly to the immersion and realism. Real tracks change. Thinking of things like the British GP at Silverstone for example, the general "look" of the track can transform dramatically between years if the primary sponsor changes. Imagine if LFS tracks had the same capability, and (eg) the Redline Racing server looked noticeably different from a ConeDodgers server.
The other caveat I can think of is some kind of content filtering system. mainly to prevent inappropriate adverts. In the world of online advertising, LFS is to BF2 what ITV4 at 11pm is to ITV1 at 8pm. And the only adverts on ITV4 at 11pm are all for sex phone lines and other random crap. With skins the content is controlled by virtue of it all being on the LFSW server. So billboards could be added to the list, but then the bandwidth costs go up again so the devs would need paying by the advertisers, and it gets rather complicated.
But what other techniques could stop abuse or inappropriate ad placement? Having them hosted on the race server itself would be convenient, but wouldn't there still need to be a check via LFSW/master server about the content? How does EA/BF2 police the in-game advertising?
I think it's a great idea, just can't quite envisage at the moment how it'd work.
Umm, yeah...
i think it's under "misc" in the options.What do you mean, "his" line?
That's the issue at the heart of this - the misguided belief that either car has a "right" to anything when sharing the corner. It's been said again and again in this topic but a minority of people just don't seem to understand it, which is quite frustrating. Forgive me, therefore, if I continue.
Selective illiteracy/comprehension is often a feature of internet forums (fora?) where individuals are deliberately unwilling to concede that they're wrong in the face of general public opinion. One option is to sit and quietly laugh at them, but when they're advocating running people off the road unnecessarily, another option is to do this:
JUST BECAUSE YOU HAVE THE APEX DOES NOT GIVE YOU THE "RIGHT" TO THE WHOLE WIDTH OF THE TRACK, NOR ANY "RIGHT" TO THE OPTIMUM RACING LINE, FOR AS LONG AS THE CAR YOU ARE OVERTAKING HAS THE SPEED AND SKILL TO KEEP UP AROUND THE OUTSIDE.
There, does that help?
Of course I can think of many different situations where sometimes you could get away with a squeeze. For example, if someone outbraked me down the inside into the first hairpin on AS3, and I managed to keep up around the outside but with only my front bumper level with his rear bumper, then that's not enough significant overlap to expect the guy that overtook me to give me all the room I want. In addition, I'd be far enough behind to be able to see that he clearly had track position and that it would be advantageous for me to tuck in behind him.
What if I'd managed to keep up a bit more round the outside? If I was more competitive around the outside of the corner, perhaps with my front bumper alongside his door or either wheel, then I'm not really ready to concede defeat (depending on the track/corner/situation, obviously). In my mind, in this situation we both have to share the corner. There is significant overlap, I'm still in with a chance, and the guy overtaking has absolutely bugger all "right" to take the optimum wide line on the exit and run me off the road. He has no more right to run wide on the exit than I had to turn in on him during corner entry.
It varies depending on the corner, imho. The first (or indeed, either) of the double hairpins at Aston isn't a good exmaple - a better example is T1 at Aston Club/Grand Touring. It's banked and it's quite common for the defending, outside car to be able to keep pace and sometimes retake the position on the exit of the corner. This is A Good Thing, it makes for close and fun racing. It's A Bad Thing if the car on thh inside, on the apex, runs the other car wide simply because they think it's "their line".
Then there's all this stuff about most LFS racers not "presenting themselves" properly for an overtake at a corner. Well, I think most people will try and pull out of the slipstream, brake as late as they can and cleanly pull through on the inside. If by "presenting yourself" you actually mean just lunging hugely down the inside, almost outbraking yourself and nearly stopping on the apex just so you can make the corner, then pushing wide on the exit because you need to recover some speed - well in my book that's not racing, nor is it really wrecking. It's just driving like a twat.
Agreed, but I thought this was more about those who attempt a pass on the inside, then run the outside car off the road on the exit of the corner, not those trying to pass around the outside.
Unless I've got it horribly wrong.
Assuming I haven't, regarding the junk being spewed forth by the "karters" / those defending running other cars off the road, I beg the question: when you put yourself down the inside under braking and achieve significant overlap, do you expect the other car to turn in on you? After all, they have the line for the corner, right? If you answer "no", then may I point out that it's no different to what you do to others on the exit of the corner. If the defending car can make space for you on the apex of the corner, and the defending car manages to maintain some overlap around the outside of the corner, then you can make space for them on the outside.
It'd be different on a league server where the racing is more competitive and you can guarantee the skill of the other drivers, but on a public server with pick-up short races where the emphasis is on having an enjoyable race and the quality of drivers varies, the kind of driving being proposed by ayrton and alan is just plain rude and dirty, imho.
Heh, I've been in and out of LFS for a lot longer than 8 months, and agree with you entirely: only very very rarely do you find a server running different/cloudy/sunset lighting.
I find it ironic that every week there will be a thread posted suggesting improved or dynamic weather and lighting, they're told to search for the billion previous topics about it and that there might be that kind of thing in S3, and yet so rarely do we use the different weather/lighting possibilities we have now.
I think most tracks and all the cars look better with a lower/softer light, although that might just be the photographer in me.
You're not the only one. The general standard of driving across the selection of servers I visted tonight was awful. To the point of just giving up, 'cos it was impossible to get a clean start, race, or indeed anything. Rude drivers, bashing people out the way, people using you as a brake, twats that insist on doing a full throttle start no matter what they're about to run into the back of, people deliberately rejoining into the path of a full speed car after having a crash, the list goes on. :mad:
Come back soon CTRA, I'll never moan about your mods to the FE2 chicane again.
Carefully processing and cutting out photos of a fitness instructor I did a quick photoshoot with last weekend. Right now I'm carefully selecting around his crotch and inner leg, so I can transplant him onto different backgrounds. It's not particularly pleasant. :sour:
C'mon patch X.
Looking forward to patch X - hope you can get it out soon Scawen, good luck. My DFP is on the blink but it's actually working tonight, so I'm itching to have a race on patch X. 
My DFP is on the blink but it's actually working tonight, so I'm itching to have a race on patch X. Skinpack released
The final police skinpack for the UK, Jamaica and Japan is available here.
They're all uploaded to LFSW, so others will see them if you use them.
If you wish to change or amend them, please keep the overall design intact, but please have the courtesy to leave the credit notice intact on the skinfile. Thanks.
P.S. If a mod sees this please could they move the topic to the completed skins subforum. Thanks.
They're all uploaded to LFSW, so others will see them if you use them.
If you wish to change or amend them, please keep the overall design intact, but please have the courtesy to leave the credit notice intact on the skinfile. Thanks.
P.S. If a mod sees this please could they move the topic to the completed skins subforum. Thanks.
Cheers Bawbag, I'll know where to look if this problem crops up again.
Doesn't matter - if it's bought new from a UK retailer then you have a 12 month warranty. Just beause that retailer sold it to you via ebay doesn't dissolve them of their responsibilities. Afaik.
It'd be different if you bought it from a private seller advertising it as new/unused, because the 12 month warranty would have started when they bought it.
Thanks for the help guys.
Fortunately my DFP has sprung back into life completely of it's own accord. Correspondingly, the transformer plug is now warm again too.
Just as well, since Logitech support's reply was a copy and paste job of the bog standard obvious stuff that anyone can find by searching their website.
Fingers crossed it keeps working.
Fortunately my DFP has sprung back into life completely of it's own accord. Correspondingly, the transformer plug is now warm again too.
Just as well, since Logitech support's reply was a copy and paste job of the bog standard obvious stuff that anyone can find by searching their website.
Fingers crossed it keeps working.
Need help with a DFP.
In perfect timing for the imminent release of patch X, my DFP appears to have gone on the blink.
It doesn't twirl from lock to lock when the computer is booting up, and just sits there flashing it's left light at me. It is detected and shown as fully working in Windows, yet none of the inputs are working.
Anyone know what the flashing left LED means?
To add insult to injury, the wheel is only 2 months over it's warranty period, and wasn't even used from October '06 until just a couple of weeks ago. :irked:
A few references I found via google about flashing lights on Logitech wheels hinted at power problems - curiously the transformer isn't even warm.
Any help or ideas or links anyone can send my way would be much appreciated.
It doesn't twirl from lock to lock when the computer is booting up, and just sits there flashing it's left light at me. It is detected and shown as fully working in Windows, yet none of the inputs are working.
Anyone know what the flashing left LED means?
To add insult to injury, the wheel is only 2 months over it's warranty period, and wasn't even used from October '06 until just a couple of weeks ago. :irked:
A few references I found via google about flashing lights on Logitech wheels hinted at power problems - curiously the transformer isn't even warm.
Any help or ideas or links anyone can send my way would be much appreciated.
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Reason : fixed October '06 from Oct '07 ;)
Thanks for the feedback guys.
Yep, just as soon as Eric creates some ambulance and tow truck models to put them on.
There's no vans, pickups, or winches in LFS that would make those skins appropriate. A paramedic car would be a possibility, but there's no estate cars in LFS (every paramedic car I've seen is always an estate, even if it's just a small one - and I've never seen a paramedic in a sports coupe), and is there really any need for one? There's no death or injuries to contend with (thankfully), and paramedics don't chase or arrest people like cops do on the C'n'R servers.
Of which particular force / nationality? Something Canadian, I presume? Again there's a couple of problems with that:
- There's not a single car in LFS which even remotely resembles the shape, sheer size, and waterbed handling characteristics of a standard Crown Vic, so any US/Canadian skins wouldn't have such a realistic effect. There aren't any muscle cars in LFS either, since they seem to get used as pursuit cars in real life in US/Canada.
- There is no one "style" of livery for North American police cars. They come in such a huge range of colours, designs and visibility levels that I'm not sure if there is anything that could encompass them all and be a generic cop cruiser. I've seen US cop cars that are all blue, all red, bright green, black, and so on. I suppose the CHP/LAPD black and white is iconic, as is the NYPD blue from the '90s. But nonetheless, there's no appropriate vehicle to put them on, sorry.
I'll never say never, though.
Yep, just as soon as Eric creates some ambulance and tow truck models to put them on.
There's no vans, pickups, or winches in LFS that would make those skins appropriate. A paramedic car would be a possibility, but there's no estate cars in LFS (every paramedic car I've seen is always an estate, even if it's just a small one - and I've never seen a paramedic in a sports coupe), and is there really any need for one? There's no death or injuries to contend with (thankfully), and paramedics don't chase or arrest people like cops do on the C'n'R servers.
Of which particular force / nationality? Something Canadian, I presume?
Again there's a couple of problems with that:- There's not a single car in LFS which even remotely resembles the shape, sheer size, and waterbed handling characteristics of a standard Crown Vic, so any US/Canadian skins wouldn't have such a realistic effect. There aren't any muscle cars in LFS either, since they seem to get used as pursuit cars in real life in US/Canada.
- There is no one "style" of livery for North American police cars. They come in such a huge range of colours, designs and visibility levels that I'm not sure if there is anything that could encompass them all and be a generic cop cruiser. I've seen US cop cars that are all blue, all red, bright green, black, and so on. I suppose the CHP/LAPD black and white is iconic, as is the NYPD blue from the '90s. But nonetheless, there's no appropriate vehicle to put them on, sorry.
I'll never say never, though.
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