Quote from TexasLTU :

A question, why my wheel has late reaction in 0.6A2? This doesn't happen in Z28.

This is just a punt, but I immediately noticed my wheel felt different after a new install. Are you sure you set your controls to the same settings as Z28 in 0.6A? I'd missed Remove deadzones under Axes/FF

Quote from Scawen :

Thanks, I've got it. But I've been going round and round, I don't seem to get the crash.

Me neither. Drove all over like a maniac. I can't reproduce.

Quote from sicotange :

The improved Autocross Editor worked like a charm in 0.6A1.

However I'm experiencing an anomaly in 0.6A2, when you select several objects with the ctrl key pressed down the objects you selected dissapear once you alter their heading. (also happens using the heading hotkeys)

Confirmed. Instant loss of multiple selected objects when rotated.

Edit:
I see it's already confirmed by Scawen now, so no matter.

Edit2:

Quote from Tonttula :

Why can't I go to other tracks or places when I select the "X" or open track configuration in autocross? Is it just meant to be that way?

I'm not sure what you mean. I can go to any track after selecting Autocross [X]. Perhaps you could be more specific?

Last edited by Squelch, Mon, 13 Jun 2011 22:08. Reason : Added edits

The proof will come when we get to Silverstone, and the Renault powered toys are taken away. I think we'll see a completely different story.

Quote from tristancliffe :

What we haven't seen (that I recall at least) is Vettel having to fight through the field after a mistake/poor qualifying/puncture etc. Would he be a Button, Schumi, Webber or Hamilton (on a good day ), or would he tend to throw it off or do something silly (Sutil, Hamilton on a bad day etc)? We don't know that yet, but it's probably the only un-answered question over Vettel, isn't it?

His overtaking ability has been called into question when the pressure is on. We haven't had too many opportunities to test that, but what about Spa last year? Button had gotten ahead, and Vettle tried an overtake into the bus stop chicane, lost it under braking and speared into the side of Button ending his race.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v ... igeis&feature=related

Quote from sinbad :

I'm not arguing that Button moving to that side of the track is unusual, but watch the video.

MSC in the car before doesn't have a jink in his line to that side of the track, it's just a straight line. Like I said it's easily explainable, but if it isn't a "sub-conscious" block, then it's a definite co-incidence that he moves further at the precise moment that Hamilton moves.

That is absolutely true.
Another interpretation could be that MSC had just taken the right line out of 13, but Button after compromising his exit defending into T13, then straight lined for best traction, looked to see if Lewis was there, didn't see him, and moved across to take the best line into 14. Co-incidences work like that.

Quote from Hyperactive :

You can't take the best line if there is a car next to you.

Whether or not another car was alongside him is debatable - more like next to his rear wheel, he had left barely a cars width between him and the wall, and did not see or expect that other car to be there.

OOS in new replays seems to be fixed, but it should be noted that replays recorded in 0.6A1 will still go OOS.

Last edited by Squelch, Mon, 13 Jun 2011 21:41. Reason : removed off topic statement

Quote from sinbad :

What I see when I look at that video is Button tracking a straight line, and then moving further to his left the moment Lewis moves to that side. It's as if Button stayed slightly towards the middle initially because he knew he might be vulnerable.

No argument, but two questions are raised in my mind.

1. What is the best direction to accelerate or brake?
   
2. What is the best line into a right handed kink immediately followed by heavy braking?
   

Answer both of those, and it explains Jenson's moves on the track.

OT
A bug tracker is a very good idea. Redmine is quite good and extensible too.

Some new features, or expanded features, can make an existing miss-feature/bug even more obvious, so what may appear off topic, is really just a re affirmation of an existing problem highlighted by the extra content. A bug tracker would at least give an indication of whether a particular bug has been marked as being recognised. It would also leave no excuse for multiple questions on the same matter.

This very subject is off topic too, and probably needs moving to its own thread.

Quote from tristancliffe :

http://en.espnf1.com/mclaren/motorsport/story/51584.html

Your earlier comment that I semi joked about, is in the same vein as that article.

Quote from CSF :

A good and fair article really, especially John Watson's quotes.

Totally agree.

Edit:
From now on, and to recognise some people will never agree on him, I will only use the name Lewis - with suitable link attached

Yes, sorry I should have been more specific. The engine mapping ruling is the easiest to apply now without drastically affecting the aero of the teams that have designed floors for blown diffusers. They will be allowed a maximum of 10% throttle to keep at least some aero effect, which I assume will not give any downforce advantage, and just maintain stability.

The exhaust dimensions for next year will remove any possibility of using exhausts in this way again. ie Exit behind rear axle and wing, circular cross section etc

It was interesting to note that comments were made by Brundle and Coulthard about Hiedfeld running into Kobyashi at the hairpin in Canada. One remark was that Hiedfeld was able to get in the throttle much earlier due to the blown diffuser on the Renault where the Sauber doesn't have this.

Edit:
I said elsewhere that I had a feeling the McLaren team were probably the least worried by these new rulings. Listening to the exhaust note, it seems to me they only used the blown diffuser during engine overrun under braking, not mid corner like the Renault powered teams. This will only affect their brake distances, and not mid corner stability, so I wait with baited breath to see how much closer they will be come Silverstone.

Last edited by Squelch, Mon, 13 Jun 2011 16:04. Reason : McLaren stuff

There have been several theories put forward about the circumstances leading up to the Button-Hamilton incident. Reading through those posted here, there is consensus, but for some bizarre reason, the minutiae seem to be the hot topics of debate.

Here is the Stewards decision for those that haven't read it.

Quote from FIA :

The Stewards have reviewed the Incident involving Car 3 (L. Hamilton) and Car 4 (J. Button) on their 7th
lap of the race. The Stewards reviewed the lines of several cars, including the two cars involved, using
multiple angles of video evidence over several laps, the speed traces of both drivers, the GPS tracking
data from the cars and have heard the drivers and team representatives.
The Stewards concluded that:
1) Exiting Turn 13 there was a legitimate overtaking opportunity for Lewis Hamilton as his speed was
greater than Jensen Button's.
2) Both drivers took lines substantially similar to many of the other drivers, and did not move as far to
the left as the preceding driver, Michael Schumacher. At the moment after Hamilton moved to the left to
pass, Button looked into his mirror. It appears from the position of Hamilton at that moment [and is
confirmed by the drivers] that Button was unlikely to have seen Hamilton.
3) At the point of contact Button had not yet moved as far to the left of the track as he had on the
previous lap, or that Schumacher had on that lap.
The Stewards have concluded that it was reasonable for Hamilton to believe that Button would have
seen him and that he could have made the passing manoeuvre. Further, the Stewards have concluded
that it is reasonable to believe that Button was not aware of Hamilton’s position to his left.
Therefore, the Stewards decide that this was a “racing incident” and have taken no further action.

The drivers spoke to each other following the incident during the race suspension, and had there been any further disagreement between them, I think Lewis would not have remained in the pit area, and more telling, would have been unlikely to be cheering and clapping his team mate during his progress.

In summary; The stewards deemed it to be a racing incident caused by the conditions, and the body language and sound bites of both drivers and team confirms this.

This really is a moot point now, so why is it still being hotly debated?

Quote from tristancliffe :

The only precedent set is that Hamilton has lost his brains. Had he done what Jenson did today (i.e. nothing wrong and nothing wrong respectively) then no, I don't think he would be blamed. But he didn't behave, so he got what he deserved. Again.

That actually makes sense.

Edit:

Quote from pearcy_2k7 :

What exactly did he do wrong today then?

I'm guessing Hamilton ended up out of the race as a result of a risky move. Some you win, some you lose.

Last edited by Squelch, Sun, 12 Jun 2011 23:41.

Quote from Intrepid :

If he isn't then there is a suggestion that the stewards really are on a Hamilton witchhunt. If he is then the stewards are basically outlawing normal racing etiquette. Both are bad,

That puts a very different spin on it. I'm not sure today's incidents were clear cut at all.

I'm not sure which, if any of the incidents should receive a penalty.

Button vs Hamilton did not look deliberate, there was no clear overlap, kept his line, no complaint to the stewards, and will probably be dismissed as a racing incident in adverse conditions.

Button vs Alonso, is a little more grey. Button had a good overlap and the inside line. Alonso turned in, but it's hard to tell from the videos if he had room to allow Button alongside.

Hamilton got treated harshly for a couple of risky moves, but this was also after crossing the stewards already this season so was on notice to behave. What were borderline calls fell against him. Button has kept his nose clean this season, and didn't show intent to take Alonso out imo. Another racing incident methinks.

Quote from Boris Lozac :

Would appreciate a video of that fat marshall My stream was cutting all the time so i missed that..

There you go
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lcZCEKUYX6c

2?
I lost track.

Absolutely amazing drive from the back however it's looked at, 6 visits to the pits too.

Man of the match...
Comedy fat Marshal

Damn, Button has a stewards enquiry pending hmm...

Wow, that was waiting for

Massa makes banzai DRS move to pip Kamui at the line.

Shaping up well now.

Dunno about Button vs Alonso. It looked on but didn't happen.

Woah! Webber

Go go Kamui!

Quote from Boris Lozac :

You're kidding, i find it really booring and pointless..

I'll admit to falling asleep last year, but this year was a classic. It was more like a 24 hour sprint with multiple lead changes and incidents galore.

Quote from aoun :

ffs, this better end a good race, its 5:20 am and i have work in afew hours with no sleep yet. :/

You're only missing sleep, we're missing Antiques Roadshow.

I pulled an all nighter watching 24 hrs du Mans, so I'm hanging too.

Stopped raining, engines firing up. We might go racing after all.

Classic TV time fillers chapter 3

Quote from Martin Brundle :

Did you know race car spelt backwards is race car?

Quote from JayEyeBee :

It's very nice here on the east coast of Canada (about a 13 hour drive away from Montreal).
For the curious.
http://www.weatheroffice.gc.ca/radar/index_e.html?id=WMN

Isn't mental geography weird sometimes? Do you know my mate Dennis? He moved to Canada.

Last edited by Squelch, Sun, 12 Jun 2011 18:59.

Quote from JayEyeBee :

2:45 in Montreal now, sunset is after 8:30.

I new there was another Canook in here somewhere. Sorry I missed you. How's the light looking?

Edit:
And another. Sorry evilpimp.

It's just speculation, and maybe I watch too much cricket