If he is overclocking, a 450 will be pushing it. If not, it will be perfectly fine.
actually, even if he overclocks it'll be fine. It only has 1-10 watt increase from the 4870, and I have personally owned a 4870 with a PhII 720 overclocked with 3 hard drives and 3 fans, and it was rock stable. As i've said a hundred times, people overestimate how much wattage they need.
As for the 4850, it all really depends on his budge. The higher he goes, the more AA he can get out of it and the more he will enjoy the experience.
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Yeah I really think the pictures are fake. Why would they REMOVE a feature (sequential)? 
Meh, don't bother with synthetic bechmarking. How are your FPS in lfs?
Amd Phenom II 710 + motherboard with 785 chipset + 4870/4890/gtx260 core 216 + Corsair 450vx power supply will last you for at least 2 years. If you don't mind spending a bit more, go for a motherboard with the 790fx chipset and a Corsair 650tx so you can crossfire in the future.
Of course, prices in australia are a lot more than US, so you might have to settle for less.
Of course, prices in australia are a lot more than US, so you might have to settle for less.
There are pros and cons to both screens, so please don't go around yelling CRTs are the best.
Until you realize that ATI offers competitive, good performing cards at competitive prices, noone will give a rat's ass about your opinion.
The operating system or game engine will just produce the image in a 16:10 or 16:9 aspect ratio instead of 4:3 for your CRT. nothing will be streched unless you're playing an older game like warcraft 3 or simcity. Some older games won't strech and there will be black bars on the LEFT and RIGHT sides. Some moves will have a wider aspect ratio and there will be black bars on the top and bottom.
TN panels are the cheapest, but as long as you don't have a career in graphics art or rely on exact color reproduction, a TN will be fine, and is A LOT cheaper. I'd say go for a samsung if you can get one. All samsungs I've personally seen have been better than my brother's Hanns-G.
Or 3x 4890 with a gtx 260 for PhysX
Or 2x 4890 with a gtx 260 for PhysX and a PCI-E sound card
Or 2x 4890 with a PCI-E Sound card and a PCI-E wireless network adapter
Or ...
Also LOL @ Dawes
do a google search of "4890 vs gtx 275" theres your facts/proof. Both have pros and cons, don't go spreading around that ATI sucks. You're being a complete douche.
Great choice. You'll be very happy with it
There would be a lower price premium as you usually pay more since the 4850x2 is one card taking up 2 slots and one pci-e.
I'd say get 2x 4870's, though. A bit more future proof and will perform better with higher AA.
OR, get one 4890 now and when your FPS starts getting below 60 fps just add a second card.
I say get a decent laptop with a dedicated graphics card. I used to hate people that bought laptops, but after selling my main rig (still need to fix my sig >_<) I set up all my peripherals and screen to my laptop and it works just as well, just can't play recent games (or lfs for that matter).
Forget the name of the software now, but its in the guide for making LFS look better, just force more AA.
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Worrying about upgradability is really a gamble. By the time DDR2 becomes defunct and the performance gap between ddr2 and 3 becomes really wide, (2-3 years) chances are you'll need a new motherboard anyways.
micro-atx theoretically are cheaper to make, and should be cheaper for the end user. I'm saying that you're building a guide for an "Affordable" rig, not performance rig where you'll need 4x PCI-E 2.0 x16 and 2x pci-e x1 ports for a high end sound card like an Asus xonar DX and crossfiring 3 4890's + a 9800gt for PhysX. All you should need is a pci-e x16 for the graphics card (DFI actually makes a micro-atx board with 2x pci-e 16l btw), a pci for a wireless adapter, and an x1 or another PCI in case you are an audiophile and need a good sound card.
Wattage isnt the most important part of the PSU. I didn't mean quantity, I meant quality. The corsair has good amperage on the +12v rail, and will be stable for years. If you want a 4890/4870/gtx260/gtx275 the 450vx will be fine.
Really, people overestimate how much wattage they need. The 450vx powered my rig before I sold it, even when it had 3 hard drives in it, it worked with a 4870 and a gtx 260 with the phenom II OC"d to 3.8ghz. I'm sure a 4890 would work on that power supply, too.
For $40 more, it's worth buying a better graphics card, since the resale value goes way down once you buy one. Best bang for buck is a bit higher range than the 3450.
AMD Phenom II 550, Corsair 400cx PSU, 9600gt video card (or 4670), Gigabyte ga-ma770-ude motherboard, 2gb ddr2-800 nothing fancy, keep your old hard drive, and a cheap case like the antec 300.
If you really want to get pre-built, this should be fine for LFS. Any other more demanding games, though, the graphics card won't work as well. http://www.newegg.com/Product/ ... aspx?Item=N82E16883227160
If you really want to get pre-built, this should be fine for LFS. Any other more demanding games, though, the graphics card won't work as well. http://www.newegg.com/Product/ ... aspx?Item=N82E16883227160
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Yeah it's probably because the diversity of setups people have. Someone might have the exact same hardware and O/S but different graphics card drivers and have completely different results. 
Sorry, you must be mistaken. I've been using win7 since the beta went public. It's not a bug, it's just that using LFS's built in AA gives a better framerate.
Why was it directed at me? I haven't used XP since I sold my HP 7 months ago ...
First, why did you quote my post to say that?
Second, O/S's cost a lot and it's a person's choice to use XP. It's stable and works well
@dan 1gb of ram costs 20USD and Vista used the ram more efficiently. But yeah, noones forcing you
It's more economical to go DDR2 atm. Maybe in a few months ddr3 will be cheaper.
Micro-ATX will be cheaper than ATX most of the time, and for a low budget build you dont want an ATX anyways. Small cases usually cost less.
Don't skimp on the PSU as it will take all the parts out if it dies. Corsair 400cx will be fine.
Might want a DVD drive so you can play bought games.
the 3450 will be fine for JUST LFS, but you can find an 8800gt/9800gt for $70 USD so I'd say go with that. If not that, a 4670.
Micro-ATX will be cheaper than ATX most of the time, and for a low budget build you dont want an ATX anyways. Small cases usually cost less.
Don't skimp on the PSU as it will take all the parts out if it dies. Corsair 400cx will be fine.
Might want a DVD drive so you can play bought games.
the 3450 will be fine for JUST LFS, but you can find an 8800gt/9800gt for $70 USD so I'd say go with that. If not that, a 4670.
I'd suggest OCZ Freeze, as it doesnt require the break-in time AS5 does, and it's non conductive so if you put a bit too much on it won't harm your laptop.
It also performs a bit better than AS5 too.
In the cards control panel, make sure everything is set up to "let program decide' or similar, and use LFS's built in AA and AF. I used to get 45-60 fps when using Nvidia's AA and AF and got bad quality along with bad frames, then used LFS and got 250 FPS and looked quite better.
If that doesn't work, reinstall the drivers.
If that doesn't work, reinstall the drivers.
I'd go for the q9550. Since socket 775 is dead anyways, might as well get the high end.
What's the resolution of your monitor? Anything under 1920x1200 the gtx 260 core 216 will do fine.
nice. I'd never get a full tower unless I had the money to watercool, though. Mid tower is large enough xD
HAF 932 is a great case, grats
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