Always keep in mind what you are building and which wheels are the driven wheels, if its a FWD or AWD car, the front wheels are driven and as such your scrub needs to be right or you will have a car that wants to rip the wheel out of your hands more often because the front wheels have to handle putting the power down, braking and steering.

On a RWD car the front wheels only have to handle steering and braking so there is one less force to worry about. However, if you have too much offset you will then find the wheel ripping out of your hands when you hit a curb or if your fronts lock up under braking and then regain traction. This comes back to the "lever" action between the tyre and the ball joint.

Okay I have typed an essay but I am sure it will make sense

Glad to see that its has started some conversation

bayanofmansorofisky - Hahaha you have summed it up well, its not the offset that is the whole issue but the combination of factors that you mentioned. The actual figure that you must watch is "scrub". Positive scrub makes the wheel rip violently in ones hands when you are accelerating and turning and there is a rapid jump between traction and loss of traction (FWD and AWD).

Evolution_R - Just keep in mind that offset and scrub are not the same thing. Offset is the space between the centerline of the wheel and the centerline of the balljoint/ pivot point of the hub. Offset has an impat on scrub but things like upper and lower control arm length and location of the thrust bearing (top shock mount) also affect this.

As I was told when I made my first mod, look at the standard LFS cars for guidance on how to build your suspension, once you have a grip on that you can then build your own and tweak it as you desire.

My Stupidvan mod is based on the LFS F08 suspension but I have then worked on the lower and upper control arms to get the track width I want and to get the handling the way I want. The longer your lower and upper control arms are the more progressive the suspension will be and will allow for greater travel and the inverse for shorter arms which will be more snappy with far less travel.

Awesome, glad it made sense

Sorry should have elaborated.
You need to reduce the offset a lot to stop the violent torque steer/ snap that the steering does when turning and accelerating. This is a real issue on many LFS mods that are either front wheel drive or four wheel drive. You can then correct for the reduced track width by increasing the Lower Arm Length and Upper Arm Length to bring it back to what you want.

Just using offset to widen the track width is only okay on the rear wheels which don't steer but when you do that on the front wheels you drastically increase the distance between the centerline of the tyre/ wheel and the ball joint/ pivot point for the wheel to steer around. You would have the same issue in real life if you had wide spacers on your wheels. It all comes down to scrub radius and if you have positive scrub radius it causes these issues that I am referring to. This is also made worse by the large diameter wheels and tyres

Read this if you would like to get a better grasp of what I mean.
https://www.linkedin.com/pulse/effect-wheel-offset-change-scrub-radius-bernadus-yuniar-arswendo/

Hey dude, cool mod but your front wheel offset needs to be fixed, its violent on the wheel

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Great engine modeling!headers looks amazing

Thanks man, AutoDesk Inventor FTW!!!! LFS mods have forced me to learn some new aspects of the program that I now incorporate into my day job.....who says its all just for play

Some more test shots, I have upped the wheel size, I think it looks better and is closer to the real Supervan 2.

The next step in the evolution of the Stupidvan is Stupidvan 2.

This is based on Stupidvan 1 but has a chopped roof, lower ride height, a front splitter, rear wing and a bit of undertray aero......and a much wilder powerplant. I did some digging and discovered that Cosworth made a turbo version of its famous DFV, its called the DFX. It was used in Indycar for a number of years ranging from the late 70's to the late 80's and it dominated that era! So I thought why not try stick something crazy in the back of the van

Initial testing is proving to be a lot of fun, lots of lag and then all hell breaks loose so you will have to plan your turns so that the big boost doesn't spit out the turn backwards or sideways with cooked tyres.

Dude!!! I love this car, with a few setup tweaks it turns into such a well balanced machine. Good job, really good job
My only gripe is the exhaust, it looks a bit out of scale compared to the rest of the car, other than that I LOVE IT!

While I am not big into bikes, this thing is spectacular! Amazing skills

In light of my escort mod turning out to be a genuine Fraud, I want to transplant its running gear into a new body that will hopefully prove to be legal.
I like obscure, unconventional race cars as much as I like the usual suspects so after seeing a neat low-poly Rover P6 3D model I decided to make use of it as the new body.

I have adjusted the escorts suspension to fit the Rover, this meant making the wheelbase just over 300mm longer and narrowing the rear track.

Should be fun

Entry number : 36
Entry name : Team SA
Car: SOICHIRO MSX
Entered driver (Ingame name / LFSW name / Country) : M3THANOL / M3THANOL / South Africa

A few months back when I started on the Ray 400 Touring there were a number of people that asked me to make the rally version as well. I have finally started on it and I will try my best to base it on the specs and rules that I can find online.

Engine: 2.4L N/A, 278hp, 301nm

Suspension: Double unequal wishbone front
Live axel rear

Gearbox: 5 speed manual

This should prove to be a lot of fun and I am sure for some it will be a trip down memory lane

XD

I love the idea of a car that does things that it was not intended to do, the concept of a sleeper!

As I have been on my LFS mod journey something became very clear, Ford builds some really classic cars, cars that have a special place in history and in many peoples hearts.

I have always had a soft spot for old Ford pickups or "bakkies" as we know them here in South Africa.

I came across a model based loosely on the 2nd Gen Ford F100. I love the boxy square look of it, its old school and its cool!

The plan for this mod is a big heavy pickup that has nice powerful 427 V8 under the hood, has good steering lock and big tyres.....basically enough power to overpower the tyres but enough grip for controlled slides, so a big fat drift vehicle. It should also make for a nice cruise vehicle and maybe even the odd street race.

I am not giving it slicks, this is a street car and will remain like that.

Please keep on working on this, its actually a lot of fun and in my opinion the engine sound is very good for a tuned 13B rotary with a straight pipe. Its a little weapon, nice one

The suspension geometry is not right, spend some time looking at the standard LFS cars and use that as a guideline, this has potential but currently it doesn't handle well

Dude you have some serious talent, this is so exciting! I can't wait for the Silhouette version, I love that monster

This is one to keep an eye on, I like it

This mod has the potential to be a lot better,it looks good! But, and its a big BUT, please sort the suspension out, the offset on the front is WAY to much giving it some nasty kickback on the force feedback, it also makes it very numb with little feedback. I would be happy to give some pointers if you are keen

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Jardim;2001497"]I can tell you're a man of culture. Thanks for this.

Would it be too much to ask if you plan on making a road going homologation car? asking for friend lol!

hehehe thanks bud, likewise!

I am definitely planning to do a road going version/ rally version

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Will you continue to improve this car?

I ask you the question because I think your mod has real potential. It doesn't take much to complete it:

1- A template for skins with the possibility of integrating a headband on the windshield
2- And a more elaborate racing style dashboard as in the attached photos. It's important for immersion

It's good to go to the end of the concept so that people take ownership of the mod and produce skins and organize races

Hey

Yes I would like to still improve it, especially dashboard wise! I have learnt a lot and as I do I am trying to make updates that improve the look and feel of my mods. I will make a start on a new dash soon, now that the Ray 400 Touring is up and pretty good I will look back at this and make some tweaks to enhance the experience

I will look into updating the skin template, this is however not quite as important as the dash

Thanks for your input

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was messing around with it and noticed the hitbox doesn't match the model. Screenies below

Apart from this, I like this car

Thanks for bringing this to my attention, I will tackle this soon!

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Jardim;2001382"]Love this, the Group B touring cars that never happened now are happening!

It's fun isn't it
At least we get to live out our dreams in some way/ shape/ form

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I hope to test this soon. I liked your MK1.

brilliant man!! Hope it meets your expectations