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KeiichiRX7
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heres a cool thought, DP1 in LFS, and a DP1 reproduction cockpit build off of actual specs.
KeiichiRX7
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wait a minute... OT

well, the sheet meal work wouldnt be too hard, and we could sneak it over a subaru impreza so that the 4wd and engine are already in place
KeiichiRX7
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Nextel Cup cars make about 800 BHP.
KeiichiRX7
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Quote from Maelstrom :I would prefer the BF1.05 with a V10 and more than 900 horse power!

excellent point. the F1.07 is nto fundamentally a different car than the f1.06. It's simply updated.

The f1.05 however was designed to comply with a different set of rules. and is thus a fundamentally different beast.
KeiichiRX7
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Want me to write a letter to 600Racing to see if they are as keen as DP cars is?
KeiichiRX7
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It would tickle me crazy to see the FXO GTR get built. Not that it wouldn be a great car but the notion itself is sort of paradoxical.

When was the last time a car was in a game then became a real car? I don't beleive it's ever happened that way.
KeiichiRX7
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its off topic as all hell, but you cant edit anything other than the demo cars with tweak V

if you figure out how though...
KeiichiRX7
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Quote from dpcars :you have to keep in mind that actual LMP cars (and pretty much every other racing class) are controlled by RULES. the rules specify a flat floor and a whole lot of other things, so they have to have wings both for downforce and tuning of front/rear aero balance. dp1 is intended to write the rules, not follow them for a great number of reasons the dp1 will never actually compete in LMP - it just isn't designed to. but i do intend to take it to some of the same tracks and see how the lap times stack up (of course if it doesn't work then nobody would care for the rules i write, but that's the risk in any new design). in the production version there are actually two wings, in addition to the main undetray - you just can't see them because they're under the bodywork. it's a different way to go about things. whether or not it's better, time will tell.

genious really, wings under the bodywork would be (one would think) far less affected by dirty air.

If he's this smart we should ahve him figure out how to balance the gtr class j/k


ORION, too bad we cant do it in tweakV yet, no weight variable, no gear count variable, and no downforce adjustments
KeiichiRX7
S2 licensed
if i didnt need to pay a deposit on my next apartment i would just buy you a liscence out of pocket
KeiichiRX7
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that puts some issues to rest, and raises a question ive had.

In the production model, for the LMP1 class, will it have the same sort of wing arrangement as the other cars in the class or will you still rely solely on the undertray? Cars in that class have wings for a reason, though i would LOVE to see one without competing mid or even forward grid.

Even more exciting though (for some of us in the sim racing world) is the prospect of having a prototype class car for endurance races. True Multi-class racing is what made the Kyoto 24 hour in april of 2006 so exciting for me, sharing the track with both faster and slower cars and teams. (Yes, even though my FXO GTR was totalled several times, hooray for 4wd and limping back to the pits).

Owen

PS Hey Dennis, I'm about thiiiiiis close to declaring you an honorary ZWR member j/k
KeiichiRX7
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thats one sylable
KeiichiRX7
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yes they have, and yes they are willing to provide all support neccisary.

Dennis seemed pretty excited about the idea of his car in a sim. I'd feel really bad for him if someone made an rFactor mod for it and butchered it horribly
KeiichiRX7
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Quote from MAGGOT :Dennis uses Solidworks to do just about all his CAD Stuff I dont know he can model the bodywork in it. I used Solidworks while I was working in an Industrial Design firm, and it's quite easy to use on small simpler objects (hairdryers and remote controls mostly) but I couldn't wrap my head around the process to make a more complex model like a prototype styled car.

On another note; the DP1 has a diff-mounted braking system. For those of you who have watched the spin video, trailbraking was the reason for the snap spin as I understand it. Diff-mounted brake setups do not accept braking and turning at the same time very well. I wonder how this will be implemented in LFS I seem to recall reading something about Dennis' intentions to attempt to rectify this (sort of). Anyone remember this? He had some sort of ingenious setup in mind for the customer version of the car, Im sure.

If it hadnt been 5 years since i had touched a CAD program i might have been able to, but it doesnt matter, i cant even get my concept sketches to come out right.

I remember in my 3dmodelling class, we figured that "if you could model a teapot, you could model anything". I think that mostly stemps from the fact that a teapot has always been the benchmark model for 3d engines though (always the exact same mesh too!)
KeiichiRX7
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Nope, still entirely thier decision.

We've just decided to take a pro-active approach, rather than like the "cars we wanna see..." thread where people sit about and moan about wanting the same cars over and over again. I contacted both the manufacturer and the devs, put them in contact with each other, and we started a thread to show that such a car is wanted by the community (not bemoaned like the 50 different requests for a nissan silvia in all its various states of trim)
KeiichiRX7
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Give it a go, the worst they can say is 'NO". The Raptor might be a good car to have, and when youve got permission from the manufacturer, start a thread like this one to raise community support
KeiichiRX7
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Quote from JTbo :Famous rotary brothers, yellow FD & white FC. I wonder, do they need licenses from car companies to get those in series

Liscencing laws are different over in japan, and animation is treated as a legitimate artistic medium.

So it's viewed the same way as writing a book and noting that the main character drivers a celica.
KeiichiRX7
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Quote from redruM69 :When the variable is found, it will be re-added.

thanks mate

If I find anything else needed for reproductions I will let you know.

edit: found another one, number of gears
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KeiichiRX7
S2 licensed
depends on what kind of CAD. If It's solid model based the program could spit out a mesh for you on the spot that would be 100% accurate

On top of that the physics tweaking could be pretty spot on, Dennis is willing to provide all the data the devs need
KeiichiRX7
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need weight to reproduce other cars, sorry to complain but thats kind of neccisary
KeiichiRX7
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blah, the Atom would have been just abouther LRF class car. A very nice one but still another LRF.

This one is a sports prototype, a type of car not currently present in LFS
KeiichiRX7
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corrected, pasted same email twice
KeiichiRX7
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I have no idea why i am still awake.... but i got a couple emails.....

Quote :Hello,

Thanks for your email.

Please can you tell me a bit more about this? It is difficult to know which
car you are referring to from this forwarded email.

Thanks

and then about an hour later when it clicked whch car i was talking about....

Quote :Hello again.


Please ignore my previous email!

We are actually already aware of this car as another user has contacted us
about it.

Thanks

PS, thanks for starting the thread Joen.
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KeiichiRX7
S2 licensed
Passed the DP1 email along to the devs via the LFSTech email form on the main web page.

Those that hope for this car, i need a little help. Could someone with a less tired and less cluttered mind please create a new thread specifically for the DP1? its about 6 in the morning and i am absolutely fried from a long night at work
KeiichiRX7
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To be honest, I think we should start the DP1 request as a separate thread to gain greater Developer attention.

It's different from the current thread in that the creator fo the vehicle is very interested in seeing it in our community's sim.
KeiichiRX7
S2 licensed
Quote :If was designed and built by one man, someone should try and get in touch with him, and see if he would like it in a racing sim.

DID IT!!
REPLY BELOW!

Quote :Owen,

the answer is definitely yes - it would be a lot of fun and i'd be happy to provide whatever support they need to make it happen.

dennis
----- Original Message -----
From: Owen Atkin
To: [email protected]
Sent: Friday, February 16, 2007 2:32 AM
Subject: Live For Speed


Hi,

Ive got a pretty simple question. How would you feel about the possibility of seeing the DP1 advertised in a racing simulation?

I head a team of Sim-Racers based around the Live For Speed Online Racing Simulator, and like to take an active part in the Simulator's community. More specificly I enjoy seeking out new content.

If the idea interests you, please let me know and i will put you in contact withthe developers so that they can faithfully reproduce your car.

Owen Atkin,
Team Principal, Zwarte Wind Racing, USA

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