In 1994, Algerian terrorists from GIA hijacked a320 from air france and stopped to have it refueled in Marseille before leading to Paris (they executed 3 hostages). Secret services at that time were almost sure terrorists were going to crash the plane somewhere in Paris, and launched GIGN assault.
Amazing unit, amazing intervention, amazing results.
They knew the 4 terrorists were in cockpit. Terrorists had grenades, uzi and ak47, only a few feets from passengers. GIGN team leader took 7 bullets to protect passengers and survived. No passengers were wounded.
It was later firmly established that terrorists were to crash the plane on Paris. This event was not used to start a war or anything, so there is no point the gvt would have lied. These guys had nothing to lose and were ready to die as they executed several hostages.
This is a general rule of human behavior. Most people do prefer to buy a thing that fool them into thinking it is the best product over actually good products.
Even worse: most people are attracted toward products that obviously try to fool them using pathetic BS tricks like "space-age technology in your home", uber-shiny psychedelic graphics, 100% arcade physics you can drive while sleeping.
I should definitely found a secret society instead of working. A nice name, rumors about great hidden power and tentacles everywhere, and of course high subscription fees (as high as people think it is powerful).
With current paranoid, pseudo-scientific way of thinking, great success guaranteed !
But then I would have to be very careful: Mr Jones, Archeology professor and Mr Langdon symbologist would certainly try to undermine my power. Mouhahahahaha no mercy for them, I would get rid of them in an intense fish slapping dance duel. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i9SSOWORzw4
This video is an evidence, showing nazi u-boats are still searching their path in the Channel.
The not-so-funny-thing is that in Europe, a majority of people do believe conspirationist theories.
What do you want to demonstrate? That WTC was a controlled demolition don't you?
So, let's assume you are right.
- how much explosive is required to pull down such a building? Professional demolition engineers say 150 tons per tower, tens thousands holes, tens kilometers wires per tower. How did they install this in the towers without anyone noticing?
- how many people are required to do the task? From the same people, hundreds...why none of them was ever noticed? Why none of them ever broke the secret?
- why did they demolish the WTC 1 and 2 from top to bottom, and the WTC 7 from bottom to top?
- why did they decide to make the top of the tower fall differently in WTC1 and 2? How did they precisely know how to place the explosives to make the top tilt toward the most damaged part in such a natural way? What an incredible scenario! It required to know long time before precisely how the plane would hit the tower, and place more explosives on that side to make the top floors collapse in that direction. Just for the sake of realism? If they had demolished the towers, don't you think they would have chosen a less risky approach, with both towers being demolished vertically....instead of making one tower tilt to add more "variety"?
- what was the goal? Two planes in the WTC+Pentagon was already a strong enough terrorist attack to justify Afghanistan war. Destroying entirely the WTC caused some large unnecessary financial problems and a worldwide economic slowdown. Stupid to harm their economic power if they planned to finance a war.
Conspiracy is absurd. Because of what it implies. I think about the famous "Protocol of Elders of Zion", a propaganda document forged more than one century ago, describing a worldwide conspiracy led by jews to dominate the world. Same problem....it was absurb because of everything it implied...million people involved, total secret, world scale intervention without any witness, harmful for jews...etc.
And this protocol is still broadly used as a valid source of information precisely in countries where guys like Thierry Meyssan are hired to spread their theories. In these countries, things are easier because of illiteracy, strong influence of religion, autoritarism needing an external enemy to focus people rage, scarce access to information. These theories do not look absurd in such environment.
But in western countries, they do. Almost forgot...this protocol announced 100 years ago that jews would cause tragedies killing thousands citizens in order to start wars. Same good old record playing again...
There is no point answering precisely your so-called evidences. Because it requires technical speech and for example you do not (want to) understand the difference between energy and power. You do not (want to) understand how high pressure conditions can make metal soft as well as high temperatures...etc.
Every time you face some explaination you find a lame excuse to reject it. You will always manage to reject explainations, because there is a lack of information, a lack of videos, a lack of survivors, a lack of similar events occuring...some conspirationists say there was no man on the moon and manage to reject all possible explainations using the same twisted logic.
This is EASY for you. You list strange things, and we have to prove it may happen in such collapse. You list, we prove. What is easier?
Every explaination may take pages and involve calculations, and you can reject every line of it as easily as you listed strange things.
That's why a broader discussion about conspiracy theories and their conclusion is far more interesting.
This Pearl Harbor theory works the same way 9/11 conspiracy does, and serves the same purpose. In both case USA face an attack, and conspirationists manage some way to switch the roles, ignore the attacker motivations, and focus on the victim to demonstrate how guilty it was.
In both cases, US gvt supposedly planned or let an attack against US citizen happen in order to play the victim and later launch a devastating attack against people who did not diserve it.
This way Japan and Al Quaeda crimes are half forgiven or simply denied, and USA plain guilty in spite of thousands victims. How convenient!
Same for the Lusitania...search for it. There is a very deep conspiracy theory stating UK and USA did everything possible to have the Lusitania shot by German U-boats in order to enter the war. Ireland too of course, you naughty.
For me the simple fact that every time USA is attacked the same conspiracy theory appears to switch roles, shared and believed among the same persons with the same political goals is very meaningful.
OK, so you are very coherent. You buy everything anti-american conspirationists invented to re-read 20th century history.
It's a pity most conspirationists do not realize they are used. They are tools.
For example, Thierry Meyssan, father of conspirationist theories (book translated in 27 languages, 2000+ books were written about his theory) concerning 9/11, does not appear on french TV, but on all major TVs of states having problems with USA (Syria, Iran, Venezuela, Russia...etc). He tells on Reopen911 website he is hired by Russian newspaper and Iranian TV and radios. His theory is a TOOL. Funny to see he appears on Transnistria TV, a region heavily disputed between Russia and pro-European Moldavia. In this region he is definitely used as a TOOL to maintain an acceptable level of anti-americanism among people.
In France in 1930's many conspirationists articles got a very large audience (coming from Germany and USSR)...at the end many many people sincerely believed the truth was hidden, and UK capitalists (and jews) were responsible for all the problems in Europe, not Germany (in spite of obvious facts). Conspirationists were repeating all the time capitalists and jews were searching for domination through war...as a result, in September 1939 Germany was able to invade Poland and prepare a very broad aggression while in the same time claiming everything was caused by UK and Poland UK-led provocations.
(Note the similarities...most 9/11 conspirationists theories claim Israel and US used 9/11 to extend their domination through war. Same thing about recent conflict in Georgia. The first conspirationist theory I heard about 9/11 was the day after, when a guy explained 4000 jews employees did not come to work on 9/11, because they knew about it, so it was planed)
And many people, prepared by years of conspirationists theories, bought that tale. Newspapers titles were "who wants to die for Dantzig?" explaining this was a UK inside job....etc. Some stupid tools were so sure truth was hidden and UK was somehow guilty in a hidden way, that they chose to destroy the entire fleet instead of joining with UK fleet. To sum it up, conspiracy theories had a strong effect on war duration, increasing it without any doubt.
I know this seems very OT, but this is important to know: most conspiracies, even if they come from sincere truth seekers, quickly become convenient tools for politics who want to bring chaos and increase xenophoby. It always work the same: it helps to make allied countries not trust each other anymore...and weaken their alliance.
Guys like Thierry Meyssan wrote conspirationists books because they have some politic goals. The conspiration theory fits their political goal which is to accuse USA or more generally Europe-USA of everything.
History is filled with conspirationists who seduced believers and used them to propagate crazy theories for political purpose. For example on Thierry Meyssan website, you will see that US gvt planned WTC collapse, planned Pearl Harbor attack, planned Lusitania attack...etc.
Dozens of conspirations, and always about one single government: USA. And all these theories always shared and propagated by the same people from extreme-left. So many coincidences...
Five heads of state approved publicly Thierry Meyssan theory:
Mahmoud Ahmadinejad (Iran)
Bachar el-Assad (Syrie)
Hugo Chávez (Venezuela)
cheikh Zayed (Émirats arabes unis)
Fidel Castro (Cuba)
Do you see like a pattern? Conspiration is certainly a need for truth for you, but it is a powerful tool and business for those who start it and maintain it.
To learn procedural language, that's all you need, pascal, an old computer, and a slowmo teacher. Slowmo teacher is vital...that way you learn faster because you can't help finishing his sentences before he does, and that way you learn faster.
Tall buildings are prone to progressive collapse. A steel bridge entirely collapsed in 2007 because one truss broke.
Hopefully, building engineers, instead of believing WTC collapse was not possible, use this case as all others before to improve building strategies used to avoid progressive collapse. http://911research.wtc7.net/ca ... /csemag_progcollapse.html
Funny, because this is exactly what happens with cards towers or matches towers, or any very big structure made with tiny bars. If you like experiments, just take sketchyphysics in sketchup and build a structure with many tiny elements....and let the last few floors fall on the others....everything will collapse (or not) depending on the structure you did.
116 instead of 110 gives less than 6% error.
Scaled down models do not behave like the full scale building, unless they are very carefully built with elements scaled down too. This experiment with plastic elements is ridiculous. If you start this way you can even scale it down again and use one bar of LEGO and then you can demonstrate that towers can only fall on one side and can not be demolished vertically.
Think about an avalanche. Before the avalanche starts, you have a strong pile of snow, and each level of the pile can stand the snow above.
Then when a little patch of snow starts sliding, instead of stopping when it meets the snow below, it brings enough energy to move this snow too....etc....until the full pile goes down. WTC was a record building, very tall. So tall with a light structure compared to it's size. So tall that in case a part of the building starts moving, it works like an avalanche.
It was supposed to handle a plane crash, because it was estimated that no floor would be damaged enough to collapse by a plane. But once a floor collapsed, the tower was doomed. Strange how you want to find a complicated explaination where everything was sadly simple. These towers were a "fragile" symbol because of their height, mass/structure ratio, and that's why they were several times target for terrorist attack. Note that most buildings of that height in the world are very different, with a lot more structure, far less area per floor...
Before the collapse begins, as soon as the upper floors fell 50 cms before they reach the first lower floor...there is 10 times enough energy to crush that floor...enough energy to crush it, burn everything, and throw some parts dozens of yards away. And contrary to demolitions where the entire building is falling almost at the same speed, here there was a collision between moving upper part and steady lower part. Like a collision between two trucks, one moving faster and faster...
After 50 cms fall, that is to say 0.31s the upper floors (80 000 tons) has acquired 400 million joules of kinetic energy....it means the fall is providing at the very beginning 1.29 billion watts of crushing power. And this power increases as the upper parts continues falling. This is what you call no energy?
You are trying to tell us that all gravity collapses should look the same?? There are as many different ways of gravity collapsing as there are different types of structures. Think about cards towers, matches structures....etc.
And you compare again a concrete building with the WTC. It's like comparing the fall of a cooked egg with the fall of a raw egg. Different structures...one is full of concrete walls, the other is almost empty excepted a strong shell.
Of course NIST and others wrote about energy. The energy calculation show that the towers were doomed as soon as one floor collapsed. This is broadly admitted, and usually they focus their report on the most interesting part: why did one floor collapse?
Many people just do not want to read or listen. Their way of thinking is closer from faith than anything else.
And how the energy was dispersed? excepted sound and ground vibration which allow energy to travel, all the energy was dispersed locally...and ended as heat. Heat is the ultimate state of energy...energy used mechanically to crush floors ends as heat too.
Another good article talking about WTC collapse energy. In this article they precisely consider fall time and tower mass. And they find energy released by fall at least 10 times bigger than my quick-and-dirty estimation. http://www.911myths.com/WTCREPORT.pdf
Why no way? As soon as it fall 50 cms, the upper part of the tower acquired 10 times the kinetic energy to destroy one floor. So it crushed one floor, and lost 1/10th of it's kinetic energy in the process, that is to say 5.13% of it's speed....but as soon as the crushed floor gives up, it falls again at least 50 cms, and acquires again 10 times the energy to crush the next floor. You see what I mean? Every time it crushes a floor, it loses only 10% of it's energy, and it acquires more speed and therefore energy before the next floor. And all crushed floors falling increase the falling mass and therefore the energy.
The thing you do not want to understand is that when an object starts falling, it behaves like it is heavier. Take a car, built to hold it's own weight. Drop it from 5 meters, and it will be destroyed.
Take a 80 000 tons part of a tower, and let it fall 50cms. It lasts 0.31 second. Then it bumps on the next floor. To stop it in 1 second, the next floor has to be able to hold 80 000 tons and an additional weight coming from the speed: 24800 additional tons.
To stop it in 0.3 second (1 second is really too much....floors are not elastic), the floor has to be able to hold 160 000 tons.
And you forget one thing. As soon as it bends and falls one floor, you can be sure the holding structure of the upper part will not fall exactly on the holding structure of the lower part. For example steel core of the upper part as it is bent will not apply on steel core of the lower part, but on concrete next to it. Because of that lower floors have their holding capacity greatly reduced, and at the same time are asked to hold a lot more than they can in the best conditions.
The fall of a mass m from a height h to ground level at speed zero (I mean it falls and gets stopped) releases m.g.h joules of energy. This is how it works. No way to trick.
If it happens in 10 seconds, power released is m.g.h/10 watts.
10 tons falling from 100 meters high in 10s will then give 10000*9.81*100/10= 981 000 watts. This is already almost one million watt.
A WTC tower weighted about 280 000 tons and the height was 420 meters. If we consider to go faster that mass was evenly dispatched on the entire height, energy released by the fall is equivalent to energy released by the fall of a single 280 000 tons mass from a height of 210 meters.
Power released is then 280 000 000*9.81*210/10=57 682 800 000 watts.
57 billions watts. They have been released until the last one. We can discuss endlessly about how they were spent (friction in air, earth vibration, burning tower content, smashing floors, heat....etc) but they have been released.
As said before, even crushed in small bits, this is still a huge falling mass. Bigger and bigger in fact as it takes new falling floors. So what is the difference for the lower floors? Almost no difference...instead of being crushed by 80 000, then 100 000, then 150 000 tons of clean tower, they are crushed by 80 000, then 100 000, then 150 000 tons of rubble.
This was not a matches box tower. This was not a traditional concrete tower. This was a massive building with very strong and very localized holding structure...core and shell, and almost nothing in between. As soon as the core bends, there is very little chance the upper part will meet something strong enough to slow it down.
Why do people absolutely want to compare it with a traditional concrete building? Maybe because it backs up their theories.
As soon as the 80 000 tons of the upper floors started to fall at least 50 cms because pillars bent on one floor, they acquired enough speed and therefore kinetic energy to crush the next floor below...many documents written about this subject calculate that the kinetic energy of the upper floors when they started falling and reached the first remaining floor was already more than 10 times what could stand that floor.
You write the lower part of the tower should not crush because it was built to stand the upper floors...
Yes the lower part of the tower was built to stand the upper part...but when it is steady, not when it started falling because pillars gave up in one floor. In the same way, as soon as the lower floor of a demolished tower blows, the other floors fall one floor and acquire enough kinetic energy to smash themselves on the ground.
To give a rough idea, when 80 000 tons (upper floors) free fall 50 cms, they reach a speed of 3 m/s.
Kinetic energy is then 360 million joules.
Let's say the next floor below can stop it. Sure it will stop it in less than one second...it is not a trampoline it is hard. 360 million joules in one second...this next floor has to absorb 360 million watts.
360 million watts. Now you have an idea about the power levels involved in this fall. As soon as it falls one floor, it fully collapses. This is simple logic.
Think about energy again. The towers weight at least 200 000 tons each. 10s after the collapse started, everything is on the ground, and steady. It means the entire potential energy of 200 000 tons of concrete forming a huge tower was dissipated as heat and vibrations....in 10s. It represents tens of billions of watts. With so much energy spent in so little time, everything is reduced into ashes, and what can melt melts. It is easy to calculate an estimation....do it....this is huge power.
of course not. It is like a collision. The upper part of the building starts falling 50 cms and acquires slow speed...from that point it is unstoppable...but it does not mean that it remains intact. It collides with the lower part and gets detroyed (from below) by the energy released too.
Yes, maybe if the last floor starts falling it should be slow, and all floors pile-up nicely...but this is not what happened.
When towers collapsed, the top part block, falling and crunching everything below, weighted between 40 000 and 80 000 tons. With such a weight falling at once, things below do not pile up, but crunch and burn into powder.
The energy released by such a mass falling is HUGE. Several times enough to liquify dozens of tons of steel, several times enough to change into ashes everything inside the towers. And the falling mass gets bigger as floors below are smashed and start falling too.
So big that only a tiny fraction of this energy released is enough to smash completely all floors above... and so the fall is only a fraction slower than a free fall.
It would be very nice. Anyway, it is already almost impossible to find a server with LX4 and LX6, but we find 25 servers with the same typical combos.
There should be a permanent server for each class of cars.