Quote from grammatonfeather :

It's nice to see some really balanced and rational views on this forum. I told another oculus friend about Live for speed a few nights ago and he got to try it last night. He loves it.

Yes, Dawesdust first response and subsequent annoyed me because while I have no issue with someone having a preference (a percentage of Elite Dangerous players over at frontier forum have already decided they want Vive because of the spec). Dawesdust statements were just plain wrong and defamatory to OculusVR. I know Palmer and he's about as genuine as it gets with his passion for VR. He's also made the statement that Oculus exclusive titles won't be tied to Oculus hardware. People are free to mod and run on other VR systems.

While many including myself were shocked about the Facebook acquisition (I thought it was a joke given that the announcement came about a week before April 1st), it was a smart move. Although he'd been crowd-funded up to a point and had further investment. He was still forced to hunt around for old scraps.

We all like to complain about Facebook but I'm still using it while complaining about security. It wasn't just about the funding either. Facebook has the global presence to make VR a big thing.

Vive and Oculus both have their good points. Vive higher spec versus Oculus greater developer base. I think when Vive gets going it will have no shortage of software but right now Oculus has the advantage there.

Those who see VR as a gimmick are in for a shock from 2016 onward. It's not going to replace anyone's TV but it will become essential hardware for a new generation of entertainment.

First generation consumer VR will appeal to simulation fans and those with an understanding of VR willing to pay higher cost for new tech.

Mobile VR will increase the spread and popularity.

By the time second generation VR comes the user base will have expanded greatly as some of the big name developers wake up and join in. We now have Ubisoft and shock of all shocks: Dice to add to the list.

Bohemia Interactive have stated they are interested in future development which will please Arma fans.

The porn industry is also diving into VR as well as movie makers.

I really don't care if Dawesdust doesn't want VR. That's his choice. I was only reacting to the false statements about Oculus being dead and other nonsense.

you certainly seem to know what your talking about and I for one usually like to gather a little intel regarding a product I am looking at buying in the near future so I value valid information

also welcome to liveforspeed and i look forward to any races we may have

and what ISIS said can be trusted because of .... ? If one of them trips over they're shoe lace they would blame the west

Also you do know that if the UN has been given permission/informed to stage attacks then it covers all members of the united nations

Last edited by bishtop, Tue, 8 Dec 2015 14:16.

Its all looking good thanks lynce

Quote from Racer Y :

Quote from Racer X NZ :

Russia’s advances ........

You know, the funny thing is I heard it was RUSSIA buying up that stolen oil from ISIS. When the Russians bomb targets in Syria, they only bomb those wimpy rebel groups that we (US, Turkey - NATO etc...) tried to prop up to take down Assad. The Russians only make token runs at ISIS positions.
Us supporting the Syrian rebel factions.....Total waste of time with that idea... and that's pretty much how We "gave" ISIS all that support. They took it from the people we gave it to. Both in Syria and Iraq. We spent zillions of dollars training, arming and equipping a rebel force capable of ousting Assad (the mad dentist) and all we got for our time and money was like three or four guys. Oh and a bunch of well armed morons called ISIS (Daesh)
I got into a discussion about this mess a couple of days ago. Someone was trying to compare this action in Syria to the start of WWI. Nah... It ain't. It's more like the Chinese Boxer Rebellion You had an international force that fought a common enemy, yet didn't really cooperate with each other and didn't really trust each other either. Plus they fought against the Boxers using tactics based on their own national interests instead of actually trying to get rid of the problem. I think the Crimean War was a little like that too - but that wasn't our war so I'm not too sure.
The problem with Russia? It's they realize that they don't have the influence they once had. And are trying to hold onto what they do have. Putin wants that little navy base he has in Syria. Not much he can do with that little base except use it for bragging rights. But with Assad gone? No more boat dock for Putin.
Yeah. Putin totally messed up a perfectly good PR campaign for himself with his stupid actions.
WOULDA COULDA SHOULDA
What he should've done is use is influence in Syria to force Assad to abdicate, Set up a puppet regime and then start a campaign to "include" rebel leaders. Then go after ISIS. He could've done that and wound up being a world hero. But nope, like all other mobsters, Putin doesn't know how to enact foreign policy in a legitimate manner.
He's taking out moderate and reformist rebel factions first to leave us with a choice of ISIS or Assad.
He thinks the rest of the world will deal with that choice and stick with Assad. Not going to happen. Way WAAAAYYY too many world leaders were flapping their mouths about taking out Assad in public speeches.
Any Syrian that gets drunk and says ASSAD sucks in a bar will be getting foreign aid in the hopes of taking that clown out.
Yeah. Putin's plan is going to turn that place into another Somalia. And he's probably going to lose his navy base as well.

Funny thing about ISIS.... they could be totally taken out in about week. A combined attack on their social media (their best tool) and their leadership would cripple them. The lone wolf types will still be working, though not as much. It's kinda hard to be a terrorist when you have nothing to terrorize with.

the hacking/hacktivist group anonymous have been attacking ISIS recruitment sites aswell as finding social media accounts related to ISIS members with mixed results. Some innocent people had named as ISIS members or follower but then found to be innocent but many confirmed accounts were closed.
A very big part of their recruitment efforts are made online so it had probably some effect but now they are apparently using sites protected by cloudfare so attempts to DDOS ect are ineffective but there are other ways

I have the one with the red grips and all works well

you state the following "Your enemies with Russia, Syria, Iran, Iraq, Afghanistan, Palestine, and anyone else your told to hate by your media."

can any media source be trusted ? most of the media gives biased opinions and yet you get your information from such places

also il quote my previous post

[quote="bishtop;1896997"]If you follow the link which is given on that page as the source of information it mentions nothing about an electronic device

http://www.nti.org/gsn/article/pentagon-protests-russian-jets-buzzing-antimissile-warship-black-sea/

also

"The aircraft did not respond to multiple queries and warnings from Donald Cook, and the event ended without incident after approximately 90 minutes,"

if they were able to attempt contact with planes then the electronics must of been active[/quote

If you follow the link which is given on that page as the source of information it mentions nothing about an electronic device

http://www.nti.org/gsn/article/pentagon-protests-russian-jets-buzzing-antimissile-warship-black-sea/

also

"The aircraft did not respond to multiple queries and warnings from Donald Cook, and the event ended without incident after approximately 90 minutes,"

if they were able to attempt contact with planes then the electronics must of been active

Last edited by bishtop, Wed, 25 Nov 2015 09:35.

working perfectly now. thanks mate I will let you know if anything crops up

will test now mate .thanks

looks like its going to be a nice program mate,when I try to run it I am getting an error saying the following "The program can't start because libgcc_s_dw2-1.dll is missing from your computer.
Try reinstalling the program to fix this problem"

hope all is good and well and hope to see u soon

Last edited by bishtop, Wed, 25 Nov 2015 02:00.

looking really good mate

Quote from MrSam :

I'm just upset and I'm sorry. I do not know what to say.
Long live freedom and long live the world!

totally understand mate. I cannot find the right words to say but I hope you know that the families of those killed in all our hearts and also my thoughts go out to the whole of france

quote I've seen recently

we are only as strong as we are united - we are only as weak as we are divided

so know that their are so many that with you and the rest of france at this time of mourning

Quote from Lynce :

Thanks for the comments,guys.

I'm working very hard but I have a difficult, is the work on the edge of the slicks, it's hard to have a balance between the colours of the tyre and the sidewalls.

Again, the site is under construction because I'm studying the concept to navigate correctly and to look all the things he wants the user. Because the site would be extensive.

This shows why your work is always really good, you have an eye for detail and make things perfect. and good luck with the website mate

Quote from GAVD999 :

Thoughts to the victims and their families

Pretty sad that a thread started for condolences to the innocent people caught up in the Paris attacks has turned into nothing more than arguing and conspiracies in less then a page.. Show some respect ffs.

I have to agree with you so sorry on my part guys

stay safe peeps

Quote from Racer X NZ :

Well, in the wake of the Paris terror attacks (which themselves came on the heels of the Russian passenger jet disaster over the Sinai Peninsula and bombings in Beirut that killed 43), everyone involved apparently felt compelled to send some kind of message to the public regarding a collective desire to work towards a solution in Syria and so, the foreign ministers have now produced an amorphous “transition plan” for the country that calls for a meeting between Assad and “recognized” opposition groups followed by a cease fire within 6 months. Ultimately, there would be a new constitution and elections by the the end of 2017. Here’s Bloomberg with more:

Seventeen nations, spurred on by Friday’s deadly attacks in Paris, overcame their differences on how to end Syria’s civil war and adopted a timeline that will let opposition groups help draft a constitution and elect a new government by 2017.

As a first step, the United Nations agreed to convene Syria’s government with opposition representatives by Jan. 1, U.S. Secretary of State John Kerry and Russian Foreign Minister Sergei Lavrov said Saturday at a joint press conference in Vienna. A cease-fire between the government in Damascus and recognized opposition groups should be in place within six months, according to their statement.

“It is time to deprive the terrorists of any single kilometer in which to hide,” Kerry said. “There can be no doubt that this crisis is not Syria’s alone to bear.”

Assad has “cut his own deal” with Islamic State, (Complete rubbish, read this UK/US report about Turkey.) buying oil from the group and failing to attack militants, Kerry said. (Kerry really is full of bovine excrement) Assad’s allies have conveyed that he’s prepared to be serious and engage in talks, but the “proof will be in the pudding,” he said.

Diplomats meeting in the Austrian capital also decided to place Islamic State, along with the al-Qaeda affiliated Nusra Front terrorist group, on a list of those subject to military strikes even when a cease-fire is in place. The list, managed by the Kingdom of Jordan, may later be expanded to include other groups in Syria, Kerry and Lavrov said.

The Paris attacks “show that it doesn’t matter if you’re for Assad or against him,” said Lavrov, “ISIS is your enemy.”

Well, maybe. Unless of course you view ISIS as a valuable destabilizing element that helps not only to keep Assad off balance but also to undercut Iranian influence in Iraq, in which case ISIS wouldn’t be your enemy. “Strategic asset” gone rogue, maybe. “Frankenstein” turned on its creators, maybe. But not exactly your “enemy.”

Here are the main points:

1 Month, or, by Dec. 14: Diplomats will reconvene to review progress
Jan. 1: UN will seek to convene Syrian government and opposition in formal negotiations
6 Months, or, by May 14, 2016: Cease-fire between Syrian government and opposition groups; process for drafting new constitution
18 Months, or, by May 14, 2017: Free elections administered by the UN held under the new constitution
Obviously this is just a concilliatory half measure (at best) designed to pacify a panicked public.

Need proof? Just look how excited Kerry and Lavrov are:



Make no mistake, there's no real "plan" here. What will almost invariably happen is that the US will go right back to dropping ammo to "moderates", the Saudis and Qatar will go right back to providing support to who knows which Sunni extremists in Syria, while Russia and Iran will go right back to eradicating anything that even looks like a rebel.

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2015-11-15/syria-fixed-kerry-devises-farcical-transition-plan-russia-others

The real question - when you really sit down and think about it - is why, if the West is so determined to wipe out ISIS, Washington hasn't simply embedded 1,000 or so spec ops with the Kurds and marched on Raqqa, the ISIS capital. Kurdish forces just retook the Iraqi city of Sinjar (where ISIS displaced and terrorized the Yazidis last year) with relative ease under cover of US airstrikes. You can drive from Sinjar to Raqqa in less than six hours:

And it's not like the US has to worry about running into the Russians in the course of providing air cover. After all, Russia has for now pretty much conceded that airspace to the US while Moscow and Tehran restore Assad's power base in the West. Just take a look at the Russian airstrike map (it's not up to the minute, but you get the idea):


"The point is that this is completely farcical. Russia and Iran are doing exactly what they set out to do. That is, first they'll restore the Assad regime and stabilize the country by taking back major cities in the west, then they'll turn to ISIS in the east.

But what, may we ask, is the US doing? Look at the maps above, consider that the US and the Kurds just took back Sinjar in the space of something like 72 hours and ask yourself this: "What is The Pentagon waiting for?"

If Washington is serious about defeating ISIS, just send in 1,000 spec ops, gather up some YPG soldiers, fire up the air support (the Russians aren't even in the area), walk down to Raqqa, and just take it from them. It's almost like the US and America's regional allies don't want to the world to know what's down there."

(And, my comment here, - Actually, the simple answer is that Turkey wants to take out the Kurds, so the above is completely out of the question, and so the game goes on.....)

"Amidst protesters' chants of "Murderous ISIL, collaborator AKP," Erdogan finally agreed last Thursday to enter the US-led campaign against ISIS, sending fighter jets into Syria and granting the US strategic use of a key airbase in the southeast to launch airstrikes.

At the same time, Turkey began bombing Kurdish PKK shelters and storage facilities in northern Iraq, the AP reported, indicating that the AKP still sees Kurdish advances as a major — if not the biggest — threat, despite the Kurds' battlefield successes against ISIS in northern Syria."

i agree. There are supposed to be many key areas where it is known that terrorist are based yet they are not always destroyed or attacked. It seems like they are holding off from killing certain people and then kill ones that more publicly noticed but happen to be low ranking and of no significance

Last edited by bishtop, Mon, 16 Nov 2015 19:28.

Quote from CardsetCrazy :

One of the reasons to this attack was ISIS trying to create more opposition against Muslims in Europe. More people start hating Muslims and this will create isolation between Europeans and Muslims. Many Muslims will start supporting ISIS because of the racism they confront. Hate just creates more terrorism, and that's what ISIS wants.

Like someone said earlier, we look value of life differently, depending on which country the victims live. USA has probably killed more innocent people in last decades than all terrorist organisations together. USA is actually the main reason why there are groups like ISIS making these attacks. People just don't realise it because they automatically think West is good and East is bad.

You could not be more wrong, the killing of innocent people in the people in the middle east has been going one for a lot longer that the current conflict in the middle east

The following article has some examples of the numbers and there is an attached PDF file on the site with official documented info

http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2014/10/07/isis-s-gruesome-muslim-death-toll.html

(I am not claiming that any of the numbers guaranteed to be correct but common sense tells that 100s of years of killing of there own people would be greater than those innocents killed in the conflict by usa) . saying that the killing of one innocent person is one too many

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Islamist_terrorist_attacks

Quote from Racer X NZ :

Try reading it !

History is like a jigsaw puzzle, you need to put together many different pieces to get an idea of the picture.

This article is a mix of sources, all with links and often with multiple sources for the facts raised. It's mainly US media, US intelligence, and Investigative Journalists, like Seymour Hersh. As the article says in the introduction, get a cup of coffee and have a long read.

And, as a tiny spoiler, just to give you an idea of whats here and of the groups America et al are arming and training.......

"Current and former American officials acknowledge the government’s lack of deep knowledge about the rebels. “We need to do everything we can to figure out who the non-ISIS opposition is,” said Ryan C. Crocker, a former United States ambassador to Iraq and Syria. “Frankly, we don’t have a clue.”

And yet, as the Wall Street Journal, PBS, CNN, New York Times, Medium, Pulitzer prize-winning reporter Seymour Hersh and others note, the U.S. and its allies have poured huge amounts of weapons and support to the Syrian Islamic “rebels”. This is in spite of the CIA warning President Obama that arming rebels rarely works.



The Pentagon and the CIA, as well as Britain and France, have been training Syrian rebels in neighboring Jordan since at least October 2012, as reported by The Guardian."

And for our "USA !!!, USA !!!, USA !!!" readers...

"Why hasn’t Fox News been blasting alerts like “Obama Backs Muslim Terrorists, Helping to Create the Islamic State” for years? Wouldn’t their xenophobic viewers gobble up such red meat with relish? Couldn’t the Republicans make stacks of political hay with such a talking point?

But, no, apparently bigotry and scaremongering are only to be harnessed to support war, and never to oppose it. The right’s criticism of Obama’s Syria policy has been that he hasn’t supported the al-Qaeda/ISIS-led Syrian opposition enough. Apparently, the lesson of 9/11 is that we must embrace perpetual war, even if it means fighting with the perpetrators of 9/11 in that war."

And to end on from the above link .....

"The secret Pentagon document thus provides extraordinary confirmation that the US-led coalition currently fighting ISIS, had three years ago welcomed the emergence of an extremist ‘Salafist Principality’ in the region as a way to undermine Assad, and block off the strategic expansion of Iran. Crucially, Iraq is labeled as an integral part of this ‘Shia expansion.’

The establishment of such a ‘Salafist Principality’ in eastern Syria, the DIA document asserts, is ‘exactly’ what the ‘supporting powers to the [Syrian] opposition want.’ Earlier on, the document repeatedly describes those ‘supporting powers’ as ‘the West, Gulf countries, and Turkey.’

Further on, the document reveals that Pentagon analysts were acutely aware of the dire risks of this strategy, yet ploughed ahead anyway."

thanks it will make an interesting read and I agree with what you say earlier about people should stop with the muslim hate speeches, I know quite a few muslim people and they condemn such attacks and it must be remembered that the attacks had been carried out by ISIS/ISIL and cannot be blamed on every muslim person

hi Racer x NZ

The thing that I would first want to question regarding the site the linked is how reliable are they as a source of information also if something is highly classified and not released to the public or announced then how did the one writing the article find the information

I am not saying what you state is incorrect its just that I like yourself know that certain sources of information are unreliable and sometimes are fabricated and essentially used as a weapon

bish

thank you for all your work it is greatly appreciated. take care friend

Quote from JBiturbo :

Oh they did it alright bishtop, i never said they didn't do it. But who is behind all of these "terrorist organizations"? Who provides weapons to them? If you go on a quest for knowledge, regarding this subject, you will realise that most of these so called terrorists organizations are created and funded by big countries like the USA, like for instance ISIS.


"I also can believe that they would not go around killing their very own people in this day and age" - isn't 9/11 enough for you to realise how wrong you are?


"It makes them a target for military forces" - exactly the point here. This just gives big countries the right to go there and "fight the terrosism".

Just try to get informed, before coming here and calling me stupid. And if you really think that, in this matter of the so caled global terrorism, "sometimes things are as simple as they seem", i would point your insult to yourself...

We all have our own opinions, some more informed, some less. Regardless, its a bit narrow minded to call someone stupid if his opinion does not match with yours, specialy if you dont even try to get informed. By the looks of it, you are the target audience that actions like these are pointed to, to provoque and induce a thoughtless reaction. You probably changed your profile picture in FB to the france flag, and joined a few bashers in posts agaist muslims and the refugees...

By all means, i do think this is a tragedy, and i do feel sad for the inocents that died yesterday, and the families that will now grief.

you also say "have also interests in this "world fight agaist terrorism and islamism" ( wich they profit enormous amounts with )" If your stating that they gain enormous amounts of money then your misguided a little as the overall cost for the USA aloneis estimated to be around 4-6 trillion (http://www.globalresearch.ca/us-wars-in-afghanistan-iraq-to-cost-6-trillion/5350789, so if you then add whatever its costing the others then it has no chance of being a huge profitable thing as you said

Hope that one day everyone will live side by side in peace.respect


@Racer NZ - And by searching google does it make the results any more fact than what others say/report. My experience is that you will find whatever you search for on google whether its true or not. You will find that your opinions are most likely sourced from the media either directly or indirectly

Last edited by bishtop, Sun, 15 Nov 2015 11:53.

Quote from JBiturbo :

What happened last night in Paris was indeed very sad. When MrSam says that they always attack the innocents, he is right. But just take a step back, and try to analyse the situation watching the big picture.

I think this an event very similar to the 9/11 in New York, an inside job. Along with USA, some other European countries, in this case France, have also interests in this "world fight agaist terrorism and islamism" ( wich they profit enormous amounts with ). And you can clearly see the impact that this has made in only less then a day, people all around the social networks are saying "kill them all","these islamic pigs", etc etc. Some even blame the refugees, wich by the way, plays a part in this strategy too.

France has been "preparing" for a situation like this in the last couple of months. There was even word in August, that a 9/11 tradgedy may happen in France in a near future. And now this.

What do they win with this? Well, just like in USA, they win the aproval of the people to take actions in the midle east, no matter what they are, no questions to ask. They gain control over their own citizens, they are able to spend money, with the people consent, on expanding the military, and maybe join this "war on terrorism" just to get a bigger piece of the cake. Already they are declaring state of emergency, closing all the borders, sending the military to the streets, and imposing a curfew.

Meanwhile, Obama already said they will help with anything France needs to fight in this tragedy, this "war on terror" ( that both America and France and alot more countries profit from it ).

Its a sad world we live in, where the real monsters hide in plain sight and control the entire world.

I could go on for ages, but i wont. Just try to open your eyes to whats happening all around the world, and try to make some sense of these recent events.

You conspiracy theory is plain stupid. I know that governments ect. may not be entirely honest I also can believe that they would not go around killing their very own people in this day and age. These conspiracies theories always stay as just theories due to them being so stupid and not based on a single fact

sometimes things are as simple as they seem. Also what would be in it for a group of terrorist/organisation to admit to such attacks if they had not actually done it. It makes them a target for military forces and inevitably they end up being killed some time or other

condolences to those killed and I hope you all stay safe

“We are only as strong as we are united, as weak as we are divided.”

Last edited by bishtop, Sat, 14 Nov 2015 23:19.

looking good lynce. i myself do a bit of website building and also graphics design so can really appreciate the time and effort you put into your work

thanks mate and take care

I have not been around for as many years as most here but for the 6 years I have been playing LFS I have done quite a lot of time being online and after a short break I am returning to lfs. i must say that all these players from the early 2000s shows some dedication which one can admire