Yeah....he knew everyone who was organising the event! LOL It's shame for Red Bull in a way because it was being hailed as an amateur event, but then it's their own fault for not being more stringent on the entry limitations I guess it's fairly unusual that a really good karter doesn't renew his license, although from what I've heard Hobzie lost his for punching someone!

I finished 4th in the end. A bit of a shame I wasn't on the podium, but still very pleased. It was very much a test of skills as the track was so dangerous. As soon as someone crashed, it pretty much took the rest of us out! I'd caught the leaders by the last lap, but there was quite a gap between myself, the guy who eventually finished 3rd (due to Doornbos' crash) and the top two as we all got held up by one bloke for a couple of laps.

Haven't got a bad word to say about Doornbos. Spoke to him for a fair bit and he seemed really genuine. It was only his second time in a kart! LOL Liuzzi was a friendly bloke too, although you get the feeling he struggles to think of the right words sometimes! He was still hurting from his crash too. Hit the barriers at 160mph after bottoming out in the middle of Becketts!

They got accused of it in the first few GPs though where they were doing rubbish! People just noticed the flexing from the onboard cams. You could see daylight appearing between the wing elements and the nose!

Meant to say...you can watch it on ITV1 on June 3rd at 11:30am :P There's a picture of me racing in the new Autosport too

As a few of you would have seen in one of the other threads, I was in Cardiff on Monday as I got to the grand final of the Red Bull Track Attack. 13 of us made it through and got to race against the two drivers round a street circuit they set up in the bay area. There were some crazy accidents, and Myleene Klass (ex Hear'Say/PopStars winner) who was driving the same kart as me in the celebrity race crashed and injured her foot! I got caught in a few bad ones too with people trying silly overtaking maneuvers, but I managed to bring my rather bent kart home in 4th in the final of the day (and most importantly ahead of Doornbos who crashed out on lap 7 of 10! LOL).

Liuzzi raced in the two preceding heats, but after crashing into a barrier in Heat 2 he decided to call it a day as he was still injured from last weeks crash at Silverstone testing :

Overall it was a fantastic experience, and I hope to continue competing for my University at the moment and will then do some Caterham racing once I finish. Sadly I don't have the money to become and F1 driver, but it's comforting to know they're not untouchable :P My fastest lap in the final was only .3 of s second off Doornbos even though my kart was totally wrecked and I kept on Liuzzis tail during heat 1 until the session was red flagged! LOL.

Here are some pictures from the day:

My kart - before it got bent


Waiting for a bit of PR stuff


Chatting to my lovely grid girl


Photo op with DC


Trying a move (I'm no 8) on the eventual winner (an ex professional who was racing in an amateur karting competion!)


Louise Goodman talking to Shane Lynch (ex Boyzone!)


The three F1 drivers

Christian Klien (who raced the celebs)


Tonio Liuzzi (who raced us)


Rob Doornbos (also raced us)


An example of some of the damage!

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Quote from Smax :

Sorry to be picky but it's Nurburgring Nordschleife.

Techically he's almost right. Nuerburgring is the 'phonetic' spelling of Nürburgring with the ü spelt as 'ue'. Perhaps his finger slipped :P

Quote from der butz :

okay, I have to throw my 2 cents into this circle.

First: I don't like ferrari at all. And please don't ask me for the real reason (let's say I don't like the ferrari image)

But the fia rules of 05 said that the rear wing may not deform under the weight of 100kg. I'm not into this aerodynamic stuff but maybe the wind resistance on such a wing gets higher than 100kg, therefor it would be allowed to build a somewhat flexible wing.

Or not?

I'm pretty sure the test load is more than 100kg. The wings on an F1 car generate a good tonne and a bit of downforce at speed. The rules state that the wing should not move at all as doing so reduces drag whilst maintaining downforce.

At the end of the day, all the teams bend (no pun intended) the rules one way or another as fundamentally that is part of the engineering skill in F1, but the thing that pisses me of is the way that Ferrari so often seem to get away with it.

You get the feeling though (true or not I don't know) that there's a bit of an agreement between Mosely and Ferrari. Look at the way Ferrari were all chummy with the FIA at Indy last year when every single other team (including the other Bridgestone runners) agreed not to race unless something was done to the track. Mosely flat out refused to let Minardi run with older wings at the first race in 2005 threatening that if they did they'd 'never go back to Australia for a race again' and yet here are Ferrari blatently running 'flexi wings' in the first 2 GPs and the FIA are all 'well come on lads.....it's not really right so please be so kind as to just change them a bit if you can in your own time'.

I personally don't like Ferrari. They always side with the FIA and they always get away with stuff. I'd also like Schumacher a bit more if he was actually enthusiastic......I mean come on! You beat Sennas pole record and all you can say it 'Ah...I'm not really bothered about records. They're just numbers. I'm here for the team and the teeeeefooowsi.'

54.89 with my setup atm, but it needs tweaking

I think you guys are probably right about my comment regarding times. Perhaps my upper limit was a bit too stringent :P You're right that you don't have to be on the pace to be considerate to people. I guess I was just meaning that it's often the case that you get those people that can't go round any of the corners without spinning and then just sit on the racing line! If you just take it easy and give way in the right place then that's cool

I totally agree that there are a lot of fast twits out there. People that only know how to hotlap. A major skill in racing is picking your moment to overtake and not getting worked up. OK, so you may loose a couple of seconds behind someone round a corner, but it's better to wait a bit than to go and crash into the poor backmarker. I think a lot of arrogant racers don't see it like this and think that everyone else should bow down before them and just drive straight off the track as soon as they see them in their mirror.

I race in a karting championship for my Uni which involves 52 other teams. Suprisingly we actually have very similar problems in the real races. The abilities are hugely mixed varying from people who have litterally never raced before, to people who race in Formula Renault or are veteran national karters. It's a great opportunity for all, but there is always a select few who are too big for their boots (all the gear and no idea types). You'll come up to lap them, and they just dive all over the track trying to block you! It's nuts. They've caused serious accidents before because of it. I've learnt to be really careful now, and it's certainly a lesson in patience and timed overtaking, but sometimes it's unavoidable. At least 3 or 4 times, I've overtaken someone a few corners back, and then going into a hairpin they somehow think they're going to overtake when the gap has grown to 3 or 4 seconds. Usually you just about see a kart approaching very fast, rears locked just as your turning in. By then it's too late, and the idiot takes you out! They get warned all the time, but it doesn't stop them. Problem is, they all just think 'ah it's not me doing it...I'm fast' when in reality they're not!

Quote from HugeF1 :

I do what I like, and I don't want or need the likes of you to tell me what to do. I raced at BW the other night. I crashed lots, took people out and all of it my fault. Not ONE person was immature or stupid enought to call me a noob. Mainly cos they (like you) would be hypocrits. This patch came out on Fri, and you want people like me to stay offline untill I can do a 45.00 at Blackwood? Well, I won't. get a life and get some perspective. It's ONLY a GAME.
We ARE all noobs once, and I doubt very much whether you stayed offline until you could do 50 laps of Aston North with your eyes shut.

But to be fair, why go and wreck a load of peoples races by crashing into them?! I practiced offline until I was consistant. There is absolutely NO point in 'racing' on a server when all you can do is smash into everyone at the first corner. And where do you get the idea that you can 'do what you like'. It's a free world yes, but we all need to abide by a few basic rules so we all get along.

I know it's only a game, but can you not see how annoying it is when you've invested 15mins of your life in a race at Blackwood, pulled out a 20s lead and then have somone who has no clue what they're doing try and overtake you into the first corner of BL from 200m back and write your chassis off!...and for what. I don't generally get angry with the people because there is often no point, but it doesn't mean I'm not damn pissed about it.

I'm afraid to say that I personally think until you can do consistant 58s laps or under round BL...no I don't think you should race in the same race as people doing 56s, 55s, and 54s. The Super Aguris are 4-5s secs slower per lap in F1 and you can see how much of a hassel those are to the leaders. I don't know any motorsport where there would be such a huge gap as there is in LFS sometimes. I've been on servers recently where someone sets a fastest lap of 55.xs and the slowest person sets a 1min20s lap! You'd be faster and safer doing it in an FXO!

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Was a great race wasn't it! Shame Alonso made that mistake at the end. Would have been good to see him make a few crazy dives up the inside!

Quote from ayrton senna 87 :

yea did a bit of club 100, was great. i was gunna do 100 national in super 1 this year but its a bit expensive. good luck in the red bull thing, i might be there to watch. should be good.

isnt james gornall the F. renault racer?

Yeah...Super 1 can be seriously pricey if you do it properly!

Indeed James is the F Renault guy. He's not racing this year thought, cause of budget issues. He's an impressive racer...I also stole his wet lines by following him at Buckmore :P Haha.

Alex Morgan is a part time member of our team too. He's doing F Renault this year too....he's hoping to get the graduate cup. Smashing his car up at Silverstone won't help things though! £15k worth of damage in 3secs...ouch!

Yeah I noticed that too. Maybe it's meant to happen! Perhaps turning the TC off turns the limiter off too?!

Ah the wonders of google and the karting.co.uk site

http://www.karting.co.uk/Notice/UserProfile.asp?UID=5798

So...TKM Extreme...nice! Seems you know a bit about Club100 too

Yeah...a few of my friends were in a similar situation. It's a bit silly tbh, because you can still enter if you have previously held a license...it just has to have expired! They guy that won the Clay Pigeon semi final used to be ranked 3rd in the UK for TKMs 4 years ago! LOL It seems the majority of the finalists are pro karters (not surprisingly), which I see as a good thing for me, as hopefully most of them won't have driven much two stroke

I race Club100 TKMs in something called the British University Karting Championship and have done for the past 3 years (http://www.bukc.co.uk) which is great experience, because there are a number of semi pro drivers in there. We had a guy called Simon Pullan racing for our team last year who brought the first TVR home at the Spa 24hrs a few years back :O Also had a couple of ex Super1 people. There's a guy called James Gornall who is the Michael Schumacher of the series. Won every single one of his races despite the random grids (no time for qualifying so a computer program randomly assigns grid slots). I won my first race in an endurance at Buckmore this season. Was horribly wet and on slicks Good fun though.

Do you race in any particular series? What kart you got?

Quote from Hallen :

Yeah, let us know. Out Karting with him and his brother?

Karting against him, Liuzzi and Klien in Cardiff http://www.redbulltrackattack.co.uk

As much as the hardcore world record holder LFSers are going to hate me saying this, there's no doubting the fact that a computer sim is a very different ball game to driving the real thing.

Whilst undoubtably many of them would be fast in a real car, it doesn't mean they'd be anywhere near the speed of any pro race driver even if they could beat them on LFS. The whole lack of reset button makes a big difference when driving for real, and a lot of people find it hard to put the whole "if I crash now, am I going to die" thought out of their heads.

Furthermore, there's no 'seat of the pants' feel in a game and also, it's only 2D. A lot of the reference points I use when I'm racing for real don't exist in a game. One of my strong points is feeling the grip ebbing away when it's wet or on long sweepers, which just can't be done on a PC. The best way I can describe it is (ironically) that driving a real car fast is very anologue, as opposed to a sim which is very digital (as in every braking point, turn in point, and acceleration point is exact and can be rehearsed time after time). As you say, it's therefore possible to get really fast, just by playing the thing for hundreds of hours.

Once again, I'm not taking anything away from the skill of sim racing, but a 14 yr old behind a desk is not really comparable to a 21 yr old in a 200mph missile!

I'll tell you what he's like for real a week on Monday if you want :P I'm racing him (no joke!)

You're assuming that the TV graphics are 100% reliable though. They're not...they're calculated values done through estimation. It's possible to calculate the revs through analysis of the sounds, so I don't know whether it's done 'on the fly' by the TV system, or whether they just match it to approximated frequencies. You can tell it isn't a real feed as it goes a bit hay-wire sometimes.

None of the F1 teams want to give away the exact rpm figure because of their competitors. I'd say that the LFS revs are relatively accurate.

Yeah it's fun watching it when it's attatched to a gearbox. The one at Mercedes had Hakinnens lap programmed in to it. You could hear all this throttle feathering and everything. They have one in Germany that can shake the thing around too!

Hopefully this video should answer your question nicely

2006 Cosworth V8

The fact that there are two fewer pistons helps matters, but the main reason for the increase over last year is just natural development. There's also been more of a push to get the max power out of the V8s this year because of the huge drop off of performance.

The torque is also terribly low now (hence all teams now run 7sp 'boxes instead of a few still running 6 ratios last year). The quoted torque of 209lb/ft on LFS will be pretty accurate. Just to put that in perspective, our Saab 9-3 produces 205lb/ft of torque! It's all about top end power with an F1 engine.

Incidently, came accross this cool video in my search Renault V10. I was lucky enough to see Mercedes run one of their V10s on a dyno in 2001, and it was pretty magical

I think it might be a little low pitched, but since the intro of grooved tyres, you can hear them screeching in the slower corners.

Impressive 198mph down the back straight of Blackwood and effortless grip!

Well including my skin there's already 3 cars

It's actually the first skin I've done. Spent ages in the past modifying skins and playing around chopping up actual pictures, but never had the motivation to sit down and actually do a whole skin before The RB car is relatively free of overlapping textures too which makes life easier

Right then. Here you go folks. Coulthards 2006 Red Bull Racing Ferrari RB2. Three renders and the actual texture file for you all Enjoy