Quote from OZRacing :

Id like to suggest an idea with this as well
How about adding people together from the same area as well. This would reduce lag on many servers and make accidents less frequent due to lag.

I like this idea, hope it gets implemented sometime soon ^^

You can sort servers by ping

Quote from Woz :

The situation is compounded as other have pointed out because most LFS races are sprint races. LFS should add a yellow %/ratio to the stats that records the number of races and number of yellows so servers can filter bad racers (Fast and slow)

I think hotlappers will be included as going on the limit is going to thelimit of mistake.

BTW. Minimap markers could have option to show racers ahead/behind in race (as it is now) or different car classes for multiclass races

Quote from Ayreon :

Im drivin lfs since 2004 , so i know where to go when getting blue flags.
(if i ever get them)

I wouldnt say that seeing your PBs
But it would be fun to race with you

ermm... but trying hard to stay off the line you will make silly moves, ie. when going from lefthander to right corner you have to cross racing line I would rather propose to stay off the apexes Not saying that to argue but I dont claim racing line to be all mine when I see backmarker.

this reversed sample is very good, I was trying to use something else than original sample but it didnt make much difference. I tried to make something based on them and it sounds much better than on original sample

Now I plan to turn off the radio and I think my neighbours will hate my sub

Here is couple of sounds I made on this.

Last edited by AndRand, Sat, 16 Jan 2010 10:39. Reason : .wav sample added

Quote from menantoll :

I had this the other night. Now I don't claim to be fast and this particular race (SO Long) I was about 2 seconds off the pace of the lead cars and the guy aggresively blocking me was 2 seconds off my pace (taken from fastest lap shown at end of race). It took me about a lap and a half to get passed him because he kept pulling silly moves at corners where I could pass meaning I had to slam on the brakes so we didn't crash.

This is the fun part of racing - clean overtaking of the slower ones Apart from those silly moves of course

Quote from Leprekaun :

Something that I must say and I know many may view it as being elitist is speed. Its all well and good if the difference between the slower and faster drivers is between 1.5-2.0 seconds a lap but I think anything more than that can make it quite hazardous so I'm not trying to be one of those guys "go practice offline you f noob!" but I would considerate it important to do it if the difference in speed is big. Alternatively, there are beginner/amateur leagues where you can race alongside drivers with similair experience and speed.

Pleased to see we can agree on that point.
So I will advertise my poll and idea of new Meeting room, that as I think will slice racers in clusters BUT hopefully will get also those from slower clusters online

bit offtopic: something that really surprises me is low popularity of XFR/UFR class.

This is in overtaking situation, when blueflagged I try to avoid such situations just when I see in mirror someone in-race close enough to take ovrertaking attempt

btw. I use virtual mirror (in view settings - mirror mode) it is always visible, btw2. it could have adjustable width (not FOV)

Last edited by AndRand, Fri, 15 Jan 2010 23:37.

Quote from voight kampff :

I expected a lot of grief for this post and I guess it has started...

"fail" not sure what you mean

You have to have track position to over take even if you are a faster car and the car in front has had a blue flag. You cannot simply be faster, dive down the inside and expect a blue flag car not to turn in.

It is completely legitimate to "dive in" as soon as the car is overlapped. In touring cars - just a bit, in most racing rules at least half the car. I understood that had been the situation, I try to respect that distance that enables faster car to overtake. I was not referring to situation midcorner, frankly any bump from the apex out of the corner is IMO the fault of the one overtaking.

Quote from voight kampff :

“In this case you are hindering his progress and must allow him to pass you as soon as it is safe to do so (you can't be expected to yield while negotiating a chicane or high speed corner) Hold your line don't fight the other car, do not make any sudden movements left or right, ease off slightly and let him pass. He is a lap ahead of you and you are not fighting him for position. You must not hold him up.”

Many times I have been turning into a corner and the faster driver has tried to dive down the inside…of course there is a crash. The faster driver needed to simply wait until the corner was over and go past at the next safe point.

Fail.
You were blueflagged and he was so close he could make overtaking attempt - it was you to notice he is going inside.

Quote :

Many faster drivers seem to commonly go full racing speed on the racing line into the slower car and blame it on them. The faster driver needs to find a safe place to overtake and do it carefully and this may slow them down.

Usually I dont have problems overtaking unless someone blocks on purpose so I dont understand those faster than me claiming right to the racing line, on straights especially.

Quote from Forbin :

Maximum lateral force is achieved when the car holds its line with the steering wheel as straight as possible after the turn is initiated, such that the slip angles on both the front and rear tires are equal.

I observed my best laptimes when the outer wheels had optimum lateral grip and inner slighly slipping, around apex especially, and thats how I set my setups.

Quote from NunoMike :

Have you ever considered the idea of F1 drivers don't use the drift technique in order to preserve the tyres? A F1 race is not a 3 or 5 laps stint, and the tyres need to be preserved during a weekend since they are limited. I'm talking about F1 but could have mentioned BTCC, WTCC, DTM, GP2 and other disciplines...

I got my assumption that with underpowered car (regarding mass not grip) the point is to preserve momentum thru corners (like in rallies ) so a bit of sliding is welcomed. With overpowered car the point is not to loose any of the power by sliding.

Quote from hazaky :

Not gonna vote at this point, but will vote when ive got the point. That "pick up" in poll means like ... pick up truck?

a "pick up" race is a race you just drop in on the server and... off you go... hopefully

Quote from SparkyDave :

I want to vote for more than one, but nevermind

SD.

If I find multiple choice and points in poll options I consider it next time

it is quite easy to notice that ppl slower thaan 2s from the quickests on the server just dont show up.

:bump:
a bump to get more credible results

A poll, just like in the title.

edit: I think I cant edit the poll so offline is regarded as LAN/private.
edit2: could be unclear for some: pick up race is NOT a truck race but a race you start just dropping in on a public server.

Last edited by AndRand, Wed, 13 Jan 2010 19:31.

Quote from Kamrock :

really want to get back into some serious racing... Pick-up or otherwise.

Advertising thread to create a snowball

Quote from obsolum :

Lol, a poll won't change a thing and you'll get the same arguments again in this thread Besides, I don't think there are anough options to vote. I, for example, think that development is too slow but I don't necessarily think it needs to speed up.

I propose an option: "Do you want 10 new cars and 5 tracks from tomorrow?"

Lets vote!

Quote from r3zp3k7 :

because I don't know his user..

Do you mean ctrl+shift?

blind turn a bug? hm, I would like to see more such bugs in LFS

Quote from Neilser :

But how would you know you liked the combo if you'd never tried it?

offline

Quote from EQ Worry :

Concerning lap time I'd like to note two things:

1) Even very generous lap time requirement (say 5 or even 8 percents above WR) would mean that at least half of the people milling around at the proposed race time could not join. Often I see people requiring to put tight limits on required lap time, say within 3 or even 2 percents of WR. It never works, because 3/4 of the drivers cannot join then and the rest soon loses interest, leaving the server empty. (Note that the ranking system actually tries to fight this problem - it doesn't require any lap time to join, but it requires proof of driving ability.)

that's why I propose laptime difference (lets say 2s) - ridgid (making clusters: WR - WR+2, WR+2 - WR+4, ...) or relative (1s difference from one's laptime

Quote :

2 ) Lap time actually does not say much about driving style of the guy. So often I see really fast people causing immense havoc, either because they simply drive their line and do not care about anything else, or because they expect all slower cars will jump out of their way. And so often I see a bit slower drivers racing very sensibly, always knowing about their surrounding area, giving resistance when reasonable and letting go when obviously the resistace would lead to crash.

These are the reasons why I do not care much about lap time. However a framework for calling a freely accessible race (or series of short races) at specific combo at specific time and at specific server seems like a very good idea to me.

I dont expect such small solution to do it all (IMO racing etiquette is not hard to achieve by a hotlapper) - like VeryEnd noticed: it just groups ppl with similar racing skill.

well, I have not got \data\eng folder, only \data\engine and I hoped I could just change one (or two - for no roof) files.

on bass - I dont want to give more bass to engine sound. I want to equalize it so the sound bandwith would have the same bass on low and high revs. When you listen to highreving sport engine (F1, bike) it has so much bass you can feel it with your body. That's why I wanted to turn it down on ambient sounds and give it more on engine

I was even thinking about a sample file that has much more low bandwidth below hearing threshold (although thats not much from 20Hz to 0 ) I dont know exactly how the sound is generated - when usuing samples the pitch is usually raised/lowered by speeding up/slowering down the sample therefore the bandwidth moves along up and down so the high sound looses bass (with long samples blending is used with low, mid and high sample, like in CSR Sound Mixer)

Last edited by AndRand, Fri, 8 Jan 2010 19:10.

Quote from zeugnimod :

I'm feeling tempted to vote for Dmt just because of the sore losers and whiners in this thread. Pathetic, tbh.

hey, who is DMT? I think he wins every competition no matter what the topic... and adequacy