Quote from BoneCrusher :

If what you say would be thru, there wouldn't be any 'multi people' projects on the world.

Quote from Vertic :

That's only valid if the amount of remaining work is comparable to the effort needed to educate new people.

Be prepared for when he will say to write your own simulator

Quote from Vertic :

...perspective...

Code review

Quote from rockclan :

...work this out...

Last I read from Scawen, he wasn't making much in the way of progress; at least, that's what I took away from it. The reason I made my post was because of this pattern:

"Scawen should get some programmers"
"No he shouldn't, it'd be a disaster"

What I'm trying to say is: If you've been stuck on a problem for a year, it might be worth considering hiring someone with the appropriate skill set to help with same. It's not hiring someone to help with the project in general. It's just the one problem.

For all we know, Scawen has hired a consultant or two. It's not like he'd advertise it.


I imagine we'll be getting an e-mail this year

Quote from Mountaindewzilla :

Last I read from Scawen, he wasn't making much in the way of progress; at least, that's what I took away from it. The reason I made my post was because of this pattern:

"Scawen should get some programmers"
"No he shouldn't, it'd be a disaster"

*SNIP*

Well I do think that at the moment he is booking much progression. But that all the forum hype about his 4000th post made him decide to indeed keep his 4000th for that particulair post. But that's just my personal thought.

Quote from Mountaindewzilla :

I imagine we'll be getting an e-mail this year

I have all believes that we will get an e-mail about a new patch/test patch before 31st of December 2010.


P.S. You got a very nice username, I've been in love since day 1 they started to sell Mountain Dew here. Awesome beverage.

I didn't say that adding new people to a project never makes sense.

Adding new people to a project slows the project down at first, because the new people need to be educated. How long this takes, depends on the complexity of the project and the matter. If the pressure and the deadlines for development are ok with that, it's fine to hire new people.

So what do we know about LFS? Not so much, only Scawen knows ... but from just playing the game one can already say that the complexity of the matter (i.e. the phyics of racing and the development of a stable program for multiplayer access) to me seems quite great.

This would be an argument not to hire a new developer.

We also know that there is no pressure or deadline at all. This would be an argument to think about hiring a new developer.

Any further arguments can only be judged by Scawen. And when he says he wants to work like before, I can well understand, because it would change his daily life significantly. From independent developer to supervisor. Being forced to lead hours of discussions with the new people about why this and that has been implement this or that way and so on ... Progress on LFS would most likely stop for months!

But of course Scawen has proven that he asks other people for advice regarding the physics of racing and he also does his own research (on track). So he's not all alone ...

all of the above aside...

They could still give us an update on their progress once in a while. Just a few paragraphs once every couple of months...

I would be more than satisfied with that as i know it is a lengthy process what they are trying to do.

i am not even interested into the scirocco anymore. not because i would not care for the car, but lfs is for what i dont care anymore. for a few weeks after the release of the scirocco there would be lots of scirocco-only servers indeed. but after that it returns all again to the servers on which you have to play for months to race with higher class-cars and cruishiting . maybe if the devs can make the ai's as good as in gtr (2) i would play lfs again (offline ofc)
a demo-server filter would be great too

Quote from fraghetti :

i am not even interested into the scirocco anymore. not because i would not care for the car, but lfs is for what i dont care anymore. for a few weeks after the release of the scirocco there would be lots of scirocco-only servers indeed. but after that it returns all again to the servers on which you have to play for months to race with higher class-cars and cruishiting . maybe if the devs can make the ai's as good as in gtr (2) i would play lfs again (offline ofc)
a demo-server filter would be great too

Many of us are looking forward to the physics changes rather than the Scirocco. At the moment, I'm happy enough driving offline occasionally. Just give the AI a headstart = funz.
You seem to have a shallow view of the game online too, but that's your loss.

I've had some races this week on cargame.nl S2 and Fox Junkies that were, by far, the best racing i've had yet on LFS. The quality of the multiclass racing on cargame.nl is getting better and better...

I didn't need a patch, new tracks nor a new car. And i've been racing in LFS since March 2003... so i've got plenty of experience.

So even though the LFS devs are doing an awful job of communicating their customers about the progress of a much awaited release. At least the programming they HAVE done so far is still excellent and STILL creating awesome online racing...

if cargame would let me drive the xrt i would enjoy it

For me, it's like the development of LFS is non-existent because it's so EXTREMELY slow. It's like no one cares that the earth will get eaten up by the sun because it's 1000 billion years in the future.
Great that the physics will get improved, and great that they will release the Scirocco, but i don't care because it's years in the future.
I think that's is why i have stopped playing LFS..

Quote from BlackbirdCaD :

Snip..

They say alot, but alot less to show

Stfu or just leave if you dont like it, you could notice by now the devs dont give a shit bout this stupid crying!!!

Quote from Ales_M :

Stfu or just leave if you dont like it, you could notice by now the devs dont give a shit bout this stupid crying!!!

Everyone is entitled to their own opinion, even if you don't agree with it.

Try using a broader vocabulary next time instead of just insulting people.

Quote from Macfox :

[*]All the excuses about tyre physics etc, doesn't explain the lack of content updates. We haven't seen a new track in (3+?) years.

I totally agree on the highlighted / quoted text.

I totally agree on the 3 points
Some will say they dont have anything to annouce so they dont speak but remaining silent for such a long time could be seen as if they have totally left the whole thing as is.
A new track doesnt need new tyre physics as far as i know.

Quote from macfox :

1. they should give a shit. Any business that ignores it's customers isn't going to last.
   
2. all the excuses about tyre physics etc, doesn't explain the lack of content updates. We haven't seen a new track in (3+?) years.
   
3. adding a developer or tyre simulation/physics expert might delay the rumoured release, but the longer term benefits would make it worth while.
   

+1 qft

Quote from Macfox :

1. They should give a shit. Any business that ignores it's customers isn't going to last.
   
2. All the excuses about tyre physics etc, doesn't explain the lack of content updates. We haven't seen a new track in (3+?) years.
   
3. Adding a developer or tyre simulation/physics expert might delay the rumoured release, but the longer term benefits would make it worth while.
   

+infinite
Specilly the bold part, there better be something in the works.

And I was thinking, when the physics are released, there will be a "Extreme setups" option, would that mean we will be finally able to put road tyres on GTR's?

Quote from kimd41 :

And I was thinking, when the physics are released, there will be a "Extreme setups" option, would that mean we will be finally able to put road tyres on GTR's?

No, extreme setups will be available only for road cars.

Quote from Macfox :

1. They should give a shit. Any business that ignores it's customers isn't going to last.
   
2. All the excuses about tyre physics etc, doesn't explain the lack of content updates. We haven't seen a new track in (3+?) years.
   
3. Adding a developer or tyre simulation/physics expert might delay the rumoured release, but the longer term benefits would make it worth while.
   

Lock the thread this man has said all that needs to be said.

Should of locked it a long time ago, full of crap opinions and moaning.

Quote from Alec01 :

Should of locked it a long time ago, full of crap opinions and moaning.

I imagine the reason that this thread is still around is to contain a lot of the crap opinions and moaning.

Physics updates aside, surely it wouldn't take a year to give the cockpits or even a couple of tracks an update.

The FZ50 GTR still looks like its road going counterpart. The LX4/6, UF GTR etc could all do with a face lift.


Fern Bay for instance could have the ripple strips updated to those of Blackwood. Maybe even some information of Rockinghams development


Its not just the physics that need attention. The game and its racers are in decline, over the past two years i've seen more people go to other sims due to its stagnant development.
I don't expect the update in the next week, nor month. But one would hope the dev's would recognise that their almost constant silence is doing more harm than good.


Regardless of the above, i'll still race on monday nights. It's not so much about the game these days, more about the company and good times shared

Quote from Macfox :

1. They should give a shit. Any business that ignores it's customers isn't going to last.
   
2. All the excuses about tyre physics etc, doesn't explain the lack of content updates. We haven't seen a new track in (3+?) years.
   
3. Adding a developer or tyre simulation/physics expert might delay the rumoured release, but the longer term benefits would make it worth while.
   

Dude i agree on all 3 points. But now pls tell me one thing, theres 60 pages of crying and not a single proper reply from any dev.. So u seriusly think this b*tching helps???

Quote from Ales_M :

Dude i agree on all 3 points. But now pls tell me one thing, theres 60 pages of crying and not a single proper reply from any dev.. So u seriusly think this b*tching helps???

You're wrong. Scawen has replied to this thread with updates as a matter of fact.