Honda CIVIC SiR-II (EG) '93
Honda CIVIC TYPE R (EK) '97
Spoon CIVIC TYPE R (EK) ’00
Honda CIVIC TYPE R (EP) '04
Honda CIVIC TYPE R '08
Honda CIVIC TYPE R (EK) RM '97
Honda MUGEN MOTUL CIVIC Si Race Car '87
I'll take the Spoon CIVIC TYPE R (EK) ’00
I'm online in the evenings and weekends, so when ever you need me tbh.
Among the long list of changes, the only important ones are:
Improved FFB for wheels (documented)
Tweaked physics (undocumented)
The result is:
The improved FFB fixes all my complaints about GT5's FFB. It feels way way way more natural. The forces build more naturally. The wheel does not unwind in a weird way like it used to. It's less springy. More hydraulic feeling than the electric rack in a F30 3-series (...lol). I also feel less gear lash than before. The wobbling on center issue is gone.
Whatever it was they did with the physics has resulted in much improved behaviour in the way the tires bite in oversteer situations. It is FAR more progressive now than before. There is more area to play in. Snap back / tankslapper is much reduced (BETTER). Combined with the FFB improvements it is a win win win.
Finally moved the PS3 out of the living room because of the update and it does indeed feel like a brand new game I'm playing, it is still no lfs of course but I can now push without fishtailing all over the place. Even caught myself smiling every now and then, if your PS3 is gathering dust somewhere it is worth trying it again.
I don't believe that a Canadian who presumably encounters snow at least once a year has never experienced understeer, unless a) you don't have a licence or b) you never sat in a car without (or a good) power steering...
Yes in fact I do have a lot of experience in snow. In a variety of cars. Last 6 years of which in a 2400lb RWD vert that doesn't even have ABS. So you can choose to believe that I personally have not experienced a noticeable lightening of steering effort when understeering, or ignore it.
As a point of reference I find that the effect in NKP is hugely exaggerated and I have never experienced anything of that sort in a real car. Not even in snow, which to be honest is not where I would expect it to be most pronounced.
What you lose while understeering is feedback, not overall force. I guess, to an inexperienced driver it can feel like a loss of overall force, but hook a torquemeter to the steeringrack and you'll see what I mean.