I've been around LFS for a really, really long time, and recently, in a drunken stupor, it dawned on me that S3 had been released! I punched up the LFS.net address into google and started poking around for the purchase page, ended up over on the forum here, and eventually went through with the purchase for the sole fact that Scawen, Eric, and Victor all put in an entire lifetime of work (combined together) to get LFS where it is, and the least I can do, even if I've never been and never will be anywhere near Rockingham, could invest in the future of this great sim.
I ran a few layouts against AI and figured I would check if there was any racing going on. Although I didn't find a server with any Rockingham layout/car combo's I was interested in, I found an old friend in the mix, populated by 11 people... "pick-up" tin top racing! My old friend XFG and that familiar Blackwood course brought back fond memories of CTRA and the endless hours of battling mid pack (I'm not really that fast consistently) with competition right on my level, rubbing panels and edging each other out on braking zones, taking unorthodox lines to block a fast run for either of us to keep the race going until the next corner... if only short courses of Rockingham were run with the XFG/XRG combo I would be in heaven with the updates and content since returning slowly over the past month or two as I've been busy elsewhere in life for a few years after CTRA went away, that moment killed sim racing as a full on hobby for me as I just can't afford to adhere to a set schedule for club/league racing.
TL;DR
Totally worth the content (the track and all the layouts are fantastic, really brings out the realism of the car/tire behavior) and the support for developers that have stuck with a project for well over a decade and are still very active in the community, assuring us that S3 will only get better with time. Plus there is still racing servers populated by enough drivers to have a good quick race almost anytime. Rockingham will likely gain a bit of popularity as people like me venture back into LFS through the next year or two, better to be a veteran of Rockingham than starting to get the hang of it by the time the servers start showing up with people wanting to race on it.
I ran a few layouts against AI and figured I would check if there was any racing going on. Although I didn't find a server with any Rockingham layout/car combo's I was interested in, I found an old friend in the mix, populated by 11 people... "pick-up" tin top racing! My old friend XFG and that familiar Blackwood course brought back fond memories of CTRA and the endless hours of battling mid pack (I'm not really that fast consistently) with competition right on my level, rubbing panels and edging each other out on braking zones, taking unorthodox lines to block a fast run for either of us to keep the race going until the next corner... if only short courses of Rockingham were run with the XFG/XRG combo I would be in heaven with the updates and content since returning slowly over the past month or two as I've been busy elsewhere in life for a few years after CTRA went away, that moment killed sim racing as a full on hobby for me as I just can't afford to adhere to a set schedule for club/league racing.
TL;DR
Totally worth the content (the track and all the layouts are fantastic, really brings out the realism of the car/tire behavior) and the support for developers that have stuck with a project for well over a decade and are still very active in the community, assuring us that S3 will only get better with time. Plus there is still racing servers populated by enough drivers to have a good quick race almost anytime. Rockingham will likely gain a bit of popularity as people like me venture back into LFS through the next year or two, better to be a veteran of Rockingham than starting to get the hang of it by the time the servers start showing up with people wanting to race on it.
It has been ages since I logged in, that said, I lost my entire reply I typed out earlier while waiting for the video to upload to youtube giving an example of head tracking using a phone. I'll try to shorten it up a little and get this posted.
I drifted away from cars for a bit and got into motorcycles, ended up finding Piboso at the beginning of GP Bikes development about the time I stopped playing LFS ("CTRA", the racing league, is long gone isn't it... sooo much has changed.) and recently, after many years wishing for it, gave it a shot to get head tracking working. Struggling to understand technology really makes me feel my age.
Anyway, I use a combination of facetracknoir, TrinusVR (for the usb tethering) and I'm not sure if the other stuff, freepie, ht, etc. really has anything to do with it functioning, who knows, but I got a Samsung Galaxy S3 (internal gyro) to work as a head tracking unit rubber banded to my headphones. It is really smooth, and gives a sense of immersion I haven't felt since 2003 when I discovered LFS... has it really been that long??
So in short, it works! If you have a phone with a gyro (pretty much required for smooth movement) and some spare time, the results are worth exploring. I'm sold on head tracking and I'm going to buy a pre-packaged unit to use with my 50inch TV and race rig so it gives a better sense of "being there", but for all intents and purposes, I would say the video speaks for itself, it functions as you would expect if not a little better that I was thinking it would.
Any moto hooligans wondering what head tracking looks like on GP Bikes, here it is, my brother (been riding for 10 years at the time) bought a brand new 2011 CBR250R and did a track day (With less than 1000 miles on the bike. lol) at Blackhawk Farms Raceway, so I figured the coolest thing possible would be to replicate it with my first recorded video of head tracking on GP Bikes.
Hope that helps to see what it looks like, I'm unsure I would be of any use answering technical questions about it as I am kind of a technological neanderthal, I tune carbs and build vintage motorcycles, so the computer knowledge extends as far as google can instruct me. There are some great DIY's on phone based head tracking and the best one I could find was for ARMA3, but applies all the same.
http://minicrit.com/?comic=hellnocopter
I drifted away from cars for a bit and got into motorcycles, ended up finding Piboso at the beginning of GP Bikes development about the time I stopped playing LFS ("CTRA", the racing league, is long gone isn't it... sooo much has changed.) and recently, after many years wishing for it, gave it a shot to get head tracking working. Struggling to understand technology really makes me feel my age.
Anyway, I use a combination of facetracknoir, TrinusVR (for the usb tethering) and I'm not sure if the other stuff, freepie, ht, etc. really has anything to do with it functioning, who knows, but I got a Samsung Galaxy S3 (internal gyro) to work as a head tracking unit rubber banded to my headphones. It is really smooth, and gives a sense of immersion I haven't felt since 2003 when I discovered LFS... has it really been that long??
So in short, it works! If you have a phone with a gyro (pretty much required for smooth movement) and some spare time, the results are worth exploring. I'm sold on head tracking and I'm going to buy a pre-packaged unit to use with my 50inch TV and race rig so it gives a better sense of "being there", but for all intents and purposes, I would say the video speaks for itself, it functions as you would expect if not a little better that I was thinking it would.
Any moto hooligans wondering what head tracking looks like on GP Bikes, here it is, my brother (been riding for 10 years at the time) bought a brand new 2011 CBR250R and did a track day (With less than 1000 miles on the bike. lol) at Blackhawk Farms Raceway, so I figured the coolest thing possible would be to replicate it with my first recorded video of head tracking on GP Bikes.
Hope that helps to see what it looks like, I'm unsure I would be of any use answering technical questions about it as I am kind of a technological neanderthal, I tune carbs and build vintage motorcycles, so the computer knowledge extends as far as google can instruct me. There are some great DIY's on phone based head tracking and the best one I could find was for ARMA3, but applies all the same.
http://minicrit.com/?comic=hellnocopter
I fired up LFS for the first time in years the other day and had a go with the TBO class at Fern Bay Black, it was much like returning to something that felt akin to my own home track, with a familiar car, within' a few laps I was back in the groove and driving the wheels off my car damaging suspension parts bouncing off curbs and flat spotting tires braking at the absolute limit into corners. The thrill of LFS will never fade. Pure sports turbo cars disappeared right around the time LFS got big, and it let me keep the thrill alive a little longer with my deep desire to feel forced air engines pulling at peak power.
Almost 10 years later I still find myself searching for that thrill, although in my personal life I found it through turbocharged motorcycles and big displacement cars, it still fed fuel to that fire that burns deep within' anyone who remembers the era around CTRA TBO racing...
I guess what I'm saying is that LFS is timeless. I'm off to get a Fanatec CSR and put my new to me gaming rig together with an actual cockpit with hand brake and all. Maybe try out some of those complicated looking insim and outsim programs I've seen here over the years and really get the immersion level as high as possible. LFS is still one of the best that will ever be this popular.
Almost 10 years later I still find myself searching for that thrill, although in my personal life I found it through turbocharged motorcycles and big displacement cars, it still fed fuel to that fire that burns deep within' anyone who remembers the era around CTRA TBO racing...
I guess what I'm saying is that LFS is timeless. I'm off to get a Fanatec CSR and put my new to me gaming rig together with an actual cockpit with hand brake and all. Maybe try out some of those complicated looking insim and outsim programs I've seen here over the years and really get the immersion level as high as possible. LFS is still one of the best that will ever be this popular.
I do recall a few discussions (wow, nearly 10 years ago!
) about that exact modification. Some have come close with previous tweak programs to replicate it, but the actual two wheel bike you found a video of is lost in the ether of LFS's long history as a pure simulator.I've also tried for alot of years to track down the version and tweak to replicate the XFG motorbike, but alas, it is gone with the wind.
If I was you, I would give up on that and find something else to enjoy about LFS.
I still check the forum from time to time, play a little offline against the AI here and there, but really stopped racing after CTRA disappeared. TBO 10 lap races were the perfect balance of driver skill and luck with 20+ cars fighting panel to panel into turn 1. Every now and again the stack ups would happen, but most times it was really smooth, fun, clean racing.
Tin top hatch back racing was hilarious too. 105mph felt like you were really doing something when your in a swarm of other exceptionally talented racers fighting for position in a white knuckle battle. Checkers fly and you realize your still in your spare room on a computer.
LFS still has the thrills, I just don't get to enjoy them as often anymore being I'm getting old, and motorcycles consumed my life after cars got too expensive.
Tin top hatch back racing was hilarious too. 105mph felt like you were really doing something when your in a swarm of other exceptionally talented racers fighting for position in a white knuckle battle. Checkers fly and you realize your still in your spare room on a computer.
LFS still has the thrills, I just don't get to enjoy them as often anymore being I'm getting old, and motorcycles consumed my life after cars got too expensive.
Been a long time that I've been playing LFS, it's amazing it's almost been 10 years! Like alot of the OG's, I myself fell off the checking the forum every day or firing up LFS.exe once a week. It turned into maybe once a month, to every few months.
After 2008 life dragged me away from it all and the old DFP collected dust, CTRA is looooooong gone, and the official forum is huge. Not to mention some VOB mods have come along from out of nowhere... wth, is this the twighlight zone?
Nobody really knows me on the forum, but, I've been here a long time. I'll be here until the very end too. Speaking as one man out of the whole community, even if I'm not playing, I'm still supporting. Heck, the reason I even logged on was yesterday I was telling a friend about how absolutely amazing LFS's physics are.
Good to stop in and see the place alive.
Keep the times low and the engine singing in the sweet spot.
-Ben
These discussions seem trivial at times. I am one of the "I miss racing the TBO class unrestricted, just get on and go."
But it has effectively moved me away from LFS (not that it matters anyway) over the years to other sims where getting a good panel to panel, bumper to bumper battle is as easy as starting up the game/sim. I have not got the time to screw around for 6 hours a week to progress through a virtual ranking system when I have been with LFS longer than a large percentage of the active community at this time.
I payed to race, but the racing isn't paying. I sure as hell payed my dues to the LFS community years ago, but, I suppose it comes down to it for me and everyone else like me, "too bad, so sad, sucks to be us." :worried:
I'm getting exited about limited setups, new content, and a fresh new look and feel to LFS when it comes about. Maybie then I will get back to it but for now, "online" sim racing is taking a back seat to other ventures I have found in the sim world (motorcycle sims).
So, I suppose best of luck to the people that are in the same boat as me, we will get our time to shine again, I am sure. I would happily welcome being run clean off of turn 1 by a noob at this point, so long as I am in a TBO car.
-Ben
But it has effectively moved me away from LFS (not that it matters anyway) over the years to other sims where getting a good panel to panel, bumper to bumper battle is as easy as starting up the game/sim. I have not got the time to screw around for 6 hours a week to progress through a virtual ranking system when I have been with LFS longer than a large percentage of the active community at this time.
I payed to race, but the racing isn't paying. I sure as hell payed my dues to the LFS community years ago, but, I suppose it comes down to it for me and everyone else like me, "too bad, so sad, sucks to be us." :worried:
I'm getting exited about limited setups, new content, and a fresh new look and feel to LFS when it comes about. Maybie then I will get back to it but for now, "online" sim racing is taking a back seat to other ventures I have found in the sim world (motorcycle sims).
So, I suppose best of luck to the people that are in the same boat as me, we will get our time to shine again, I am sure. I would happily welcome being run clean off of turn 1 by a noob at this point, so long as I am in a TBO car.
-Ben
Something I have tried and found to work well is adding balast weight to the front of the RAC to achieve a more 50/50 weight balance to tune the suspension for a more nuetral handling.
Best of luck, I can't find any of my sets at the moment but if I come across one I will post it up.
Best of luck, I can't find any of my sets at the moment but if I come across one I will post it up.
Same problem for me too, I'm on XP so I've no idea what I am doing wrong.
Totally can't use this mod, been trying since the first one was released to the public a few patches ago. Tried every single tutorial, every possible way, and it ALWAYS says to try a new search... can't get it working for that stupid "nos mod" either.I can't figure this out at all, is there somewhere the mod needs to be installed to? Somewhere it needs to be used at? Nobody can give a CLEAR answer as to how it works, they just say "google it" "youtube it", every instruction I see on the forums here are diffrent...
I suppose more lock isn't my thing. I'll have to rely on driver skill or something.
I was trying to say, if it isn't street legal I have no point to own one. I am very familiar with the yamaha TZ series and would take a supermoto over a small 2 stroker 125 any day. I was just trying to make the point that we get none of the smaller bikes and I don't personally care if it's coming stateside or not if it isn't a registerable/rideable/legal machine.
I'm really not trying to be rude (although it probably sounds alot like it) but I dislike the track day crowd in my area, don't really care for the crap I get about my smaller bikes on the street and really really wish that a 4 cylinder under 400cc sportbike was available here. Unfortunatly they are all twins under 500cc.
I've had a 1984 Honda VF500F Interceptor that had a V4 (duh, you know that) and the full throttle pull of that thing put any twin it encountered to shame.
Someone said something about big bikes being a laugh? Not so much when 99.9% of riders of them are the laugh. Been there ridden quite a few liter bikes and just don't understand what is wrong with someone's brain that owns a bike they will never handle.
My views on this are a little diffrent I suppose, either that, or I'm just the odd man out here.
All my bikes are paid for, so they look a little rough around the edges. The B12 exhaust was odd looking but sounded great.
As for getting the aprilia, who cares for it if it's not street legal. I would give my CBR600 for a CBR250 (road legal) any day of the week. The ninja 250 even in the newest trim is a joke to say the least. I don't really care for the 250/500 twins and unfortunate but true we got very few of the true middleweight bikes and none of the smaller ones. It's a damn shame when everyone is obsessed with bikes they couldn't, wouldn't, or don't have the skill to ride even half way to the limit in a track condition let alone what anyone could or would do with a GSXR, R6/1, ZX, etc. on the street 90% of the time they are on it.
A rider should have more skill than the bike can handle being ridden at, not a bike that a rider can't handle. At the track, ride whatever you want, but on the street why do you need more than 130hp and more than 150mph of top speed? Handling shouldn't take a back seat to power in any situation on the street.
My 2 cents.
As for getting the aprilia, who cares for it if it's not street legal. I would give my CBR600 for a CBR250 (road legal) any day of the week. The ninja 250 even in the newest trim is a joke to say the least. I don't really care for the 250/500 twins and unfortunate but true we got very few of the true middleweight bikes and none of the smaller ones. It's a damn shame when everyone is obsessed with bikes they couldn't, wouldn't, or don't have the skill to ride even half way to the limit in a track condition let alone what anyone could or would do with a GSXR, R6/1, ZX, etc. on the street 90% of the time they are on it.
A rider should have more skill than the bike can handle being ridden at, not a bike that a rider can't handle. At the track, ride whatever you want, but on the street why do you need more than 130hp and more than 150mph of top speed? Handling shouldn't take a back seat to power in any situation on the street.
My 2 cents.
That RS is really really nice... wish we got the good bikes here in the states... stupid people and their "bigger is better" attitudes.
My outragous CBR600F3 with too many mods to list. Aside from the removal of a few things, a jet kit, and a two brothers pipe modified for that "shorty can" look and better sound, the performance is only enhanced by tire choice and suspension settings. It's a very demanding bike to ride and the addition of a 2007 Hayabusa steering damper was totally mandatory after going down on my 97 B12 in early august. I may have made a mistake but I refuse to make it twice!
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And a pic of the B12.(waaaay too much bike)
A pic of my Zed
(85 ZX600A)
And a pic of my 82XJ750 Maxim (tire killer- rolling burnout machine)
My outragous CBR600F3 with too many mods to list. Aside from the removal of a few things, a jet kit, and a two brothers pipe modified for that "shorty can" look and better sound, the performance is only enhanced by tire choice and suspension settings. It's a very demanding bike to ride and the addition of a 2007 Hayabusa steering damper was totally mandatory after going down on my 97 B12 in early august. I may have made a mistake but I refuse to make it twice!
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And a pic of the B12.(waaaay too much bike)
A pic of my Zed
(85 ZX600A)And a pic of my 82XJ750 Maxim (tire killer- rolling burnout machine)
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I'm really cheap so that is the exact way I did it. Another way you can improve the feel and driveablity of LFS is to get an old Mad Katz wheel and use that Gran Turismo 1 shifter on the side, not too far off the DFP's size and action and rig that as a hand brake for autocross/gymkana and drifting. Sure makes things alot more fun having controls similar to a real car!
+ a million on a spare set of pedals next to the existing ones.
America: policing the world when we don't know our own cops faces! 
Cop: So your with me today, lets go.
Kid: Alright, you lead, I follow.
Cop: Where is your badge, ticket book, and gun?
Kid: Ummm uhhhh...
Cop:
Give me a break, this is so stupid you couldn't make it up if you tried! America, land of the semi-free and home of the 14 year old, unarmed police officers. What a joke.
Cop: So your with me today, lets go.
Kid: Alright, you lead, I follow.
Cop: Where is your badge, ticket book, and gun?
Kid: Ummm uhhhh...
Cop:
Give me a break, this is so stupid you couldn't make it up if you tried! America, land of the semi-free and home of the 14 year old, unarmed police officers. What a joke.
I have the full version too (after my crash in august I needed to fill my time with something and cruise servers don't spark my interest and racing with a keyboard is not my thing either) and bought a game pad, bought GPBikes, and now I sit quietly and wait until the sim gets better and the tires feel like tires rather than animated black hoops that have nearly no connection to the ground when they break free.
Alpha usually means it's no where near done, so I expect it to get much better if and when they develop the game further.
Going backward through connecticut circuit (lime rock) and jumping the hill cadwell park style has been the best part of the demo and full version for me.
I know my comp. is junk and the graphics are terrible, but it's the way the sim's feel for me that keeps me coming back to them.
For sure, when I flew cross country, near the canadian border to near the Mexico border, (amost 7 hours non stop, short for some, pretty long for me and being night there was nothing to do) I got off the plane with an awful good buzz from all the beer I had been drinking.I swear it, if they didn't serve alchohol on long flights, some of us would have nothing to do!
:drink:
Wow, glad your alright and the bike is in relatively good shape despite the circumstances.
August 7th 9:37a.m. 5 months ago I was headed to an appointment on my 97 Bandit 1200. It was my 13th bike I have owned, been riding since I could walk and know respect for my machines! The bandit put down more power than I or anyone else would ever need on public roads and it was suprisingly not the power that caused the crash, it was my stupid idea I had things figured out.
I came up a small hill at about 55mph and as I came off the crest of the hill on the throttle the bars started to headshake. I have owned alot of twins (thumpers) and most noteably was my 77 Yamaha XS650. It got a little wobble and you give it gas to get out of it... not the same case when the wobble is cause by accelerating in the first place on a big mean 1200 4 cylinder bike. Rolling off it would have sufficed.
I gave it gas and the headshake went to full on tank slapper and before I could roll off the throttle to subside the wobble the rear tire started to follow the front into what I refer to as the "dance of death", the rear tire loads up one direction and after unloading, it goes airborne and contacts the road, storing more energy and springing back the opposite. THis only happens 2 or 3 times before the enevitable happens.
I got thrown high side, let go of the bars to not get mouse trapped, and flew over my flipping and spinning bike, hit the ground at an estimated 70-80mph due to the accel to get rid of the wobble. I tumbled for 437ft according to the county police and broke 3 bones in my right foot, grade 3 seperated my left shoulder, severly sprained both ankles, and pretty much destroyed my bike. Nothing left on it was worth anything, it was totalled.
I stood up after a check of my spine and neck (I was laying in the road and had to move for fear of traffic hitting me) walked 30ft on my messed ankles and foot, sat down, and called the authoritys and an ambulance. 48 hours in the hospitol and I was back home, living alone, on crutches and a cast, 10% of my range of motion in my left arm, but alive and well.
(I was wearing this years model HJC CL-SP, a mid 80's Hien Gericke riding jacket, knee, shin, elbow, and fore arm armor, race spec boots, and tecknic chicane gauntlets... waaaay over dressed for being an american rider, but, under dressed for my situation. I picked the bandit over a 98 R6, 89 FZR600, and a gently downed 02' R1... it was the logical step in power and weight from the 750 Seca I had previously)
I have been riding for nearly 8 years on the street and my first street bike was a 1976 Honda CB360T, 30hp but probably 20hp more than I needed at 17 years old and being a first street bike it scared the living hell out of me on a daily basis. My idiot self couldn't keep off the throttle every chance I got.
The world of motorcycling is a dangerous one and the sooner we learn the perils and accept the consequenses the better. I am very glad you are unhurt, the bike is repairable, and your as human as everyone else (scared) when it comes to getting back on and going back to the level you were at.
I have since ridden, my avatar is a pic taken from my first ride since my crash and have been out for nearly 600 miles since my crash. A few around the block runs on my buddies 06 Ninja 650R, a few hundred mile loop on another friends 07 GSXR1000 (totally retarded bike), and a few hundred more miles on another guys 07 R6 (sweet, easy to control bike!) and I still have problems with letting the bike move about under me.
Rebuilding that confidence in your rear tire will be a chore but don't give up, these are the experiences that will shape you into a better, smoother, SAFER rider!
Good luck, best wishes, and may the sun be at your back and the wind in your helmet vents brother!
August 7th 9:37a.m. 5 months ago I was headed to an appointment on my 97 Bandit 1200. It was my 13th bike I have owned, been riding since I could walk and know respect for my machines! The bandit put down more power than I or anyone else would ever need on public roads and it was suprisingly not the power that caused the crash, it was my stupid idea I had things figured out.
I came up a small hill at about 55mph and as I came off the crest of the hill on the throttle the bars started to headshake. I have owned alot of twins (thumpers) and most noteably was my 77 Yamaha XS650. It got a little wobble and you give it gas to get out of it... not the same case when the wobble is cause by accelerating in the first place on a big mean 1200 4 cylinder bike. Rolling off it would have sufficed.
I gave it gas and the headshake went to full on tank slapper and before I could roll off the throttle to subside the wobble the rear tire started to follow the front into what I refer to as the "dance of death", the rear tire loads up one direction and after unloading, it goes airborne and contacts the road, storing more energy and springing back the opposite. THis only happens 2 or 3 times before the enevitable happens.
I got thrown high side, let go of the bars to not get mouse trapped, and flew over my flipping and spinning bike, hit the ground at an estimated 70-80mph due to the accel to get rid of the wobble. I tumbled for 437ft according to the county police and broke 3 bones in my right foot, grade 3 seperated my left shoulder, severly sprained both ankles, and pretty much destroyed my bike. Nothing left on it was worth anything, it was totalled.
I stood up after a check of my spine and neck (I was laying in the road and had to move for fear of traffic hitting me) walked 30ft on my messed ankles and foot, sat down, and called the authoritys and an ambulance. 48 hours in the hospitol and I was back home, living alone, on crutches and a cast, 10% of my range of motion in my left arm, but alive and well.
(I was wearing this years model HJC CL-SP, a mid 80's Hien Gericke riding jacket, knee, shin, elbow, and fore arm armor, race spec boots, and tecknic chicane gauntlets... waaaay over dressed for being an american rider, but, under dressed for my situation. I picked the bandit over a 98 R6, 89 FZR600, and a gently downed 02' R1... it was the logical step in power and weight from the 750 Seca I had previously)
I have been riding for nearly 8 years on the street and my first street bike was a 1976 Honda CB360T, 30hp but probably 20hp more than I needed at 17 years old and being a first street bike it scared the living hell out of me on a daily basis. My idiot self couldn't keep off the throttle every chance I got.
The world of motorcycling is a dangerous one and the sooner we learn the perils and accept the consequenses the better. I am very glad you are unhurt, the bike is repairable, and your as human as everyone else (scared) when it comes to getting back on and going back to the level you were at.
I have since ridden, my avatar is a pic taken from my first ride since my crash and have been out for nearly 600 miles since my crash. A few around the block runs on my buddies 06 Ninja 650R, a few hundred mile loop on another friends 07 GSXR1000 (totally retarded bike), and a few hundred more miles on another guys 07 R6 (sweet, easy to control bike!) and I still have problems with letting the bike move about under me.
Rebuilding that confidence in your rear tire will be a chore but don't give up, these are the experiences that will shape you into a better, smoother, SAFER rider!
Good luck, best wishes, and may the sun be at your back and the wind in your helmet vents brother!
The thing I found to be very true with drifting in general is the harder it is to control a car sideways the less that people will choose a car that is more likely to spin. Given the choice would you use a Nissan 240SX (Silvia) on coil overs and bald rear tires, or would you take a late 80's Porsche 911 on the same tire setup and suspension? Of course the 911 is a faster car by all respects but when looked at from the perspective of control, most would choose the FR over the RR platform for the simple fact it's alot more stable in the 50/50 blanced FR rather than a 40/60 RR.
I see more FR platforms drifting than any other for the simple fact it is more stable to the masses than an all wheel drive or rear engine rear drive.
The LX6 is god when it comes to drifting though. No control what so ever unless you are skilled with a light rear end car.
Having driven AND drifted with a 91 Miata, 87 MR2, 82 Supra, etc., I have to say that the FR platform with a 50/50 balance is the best choice for getting it sideways. The further the driver and weight gets out back the less control an average driver has.
Hands down, it's the ease of use that makes the XRT the car of choice of drifters. The FZ5 drivers are very respectable for choosing a platform that is harder to handle, but, has more reward. Even more reward to drift with the LX6 as it is even harder to handle than the FZ when it comes to drifting/hotlapping.
My 2 pennies, nothing more. Kinda lost my point somewhere there, but oh well, I think it's somewhere in there, take my words how you will.
Ben
ps. my username gives me zero qualification on the track as a drifter, it's just real life experience/observation talking here.
I see more FR platforms drifting than any other for the simple fact it is more stable to the masses than an all wheel drive or rear engine rear drive.
The LX6 is god when it comes to drifting though. No control what so ever unless you are skilled with a light rear end car.
Having driven AND drifted with a 91 Miata, 87 MR2, 82 Supra, etc., I have to say that the FR platform with a 50/50 balance is the best choice for getting it sideways. The further the driver and weight gets out back the less control an average driver has.
Hands down, it's the ease of use that makes the XRT the car of choice of drifters. The FZ5 drivers are very respectable for choosing a platform that is harder to handle, but, has more reward. Even more reward to drift with the LX6 as it is even harder to handle than the FZ when it comes to drifting/hotlapping.
My 2 pennies, nothing more. Kinda lost my point somewhere there, but oh well, I think it's somewhere in there, take my words how you will.
Ben
ps. my username gives me zero qualification on the track as a drifter, it's just real life experience/observation talking here.
Oh really, is that an order?
<---(you can nearly smell the sarcasm in that line)I followed simple on screen instructions, after making the pic smaller for the uploader. I'll be flamed to the end of time for this, but, I have no clue how to make a .bmp image a .jpg image, hence why I said you should do it if it suits you better.
Edit* I'm dumber than I look.
I figured it out...
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Then save the pic, convert the file type, and post the file type you prefer... if you can upload it why not use it?
A "flying" lap of blackwood GP course!
The RAC tuned per my AW11, the RAC is very similar to my dream of a bored out 7AGE turbocharged to see about 160bhp. BOTH cars are very fun and very exotic in their own little ways. Other desktops featuring LFS are either 3D renders SOMEONE else did, or drifting screen's of LFS that again, someone else took and posted up. The RAC desktop is as far as I go with my creativity.
Some really cool screen shots and desktops in this thread though!
Some really cool screen shots and desktops in this thread though!
Was requested by one person, so here is my "real life" setup for the XRT, like said, it's more stable sideways than strait and allows some very agressive corner entry with the solid rear tire foot print and toe out to keep the outside rear tire at less slip angle while sideways. This is meant to be used with a 900 wheel, my usual hand brake and clutch setup hasn't been working so I have been using no hand brake or clutch, the use of both would make this set even better.
FGED GREDG RDFGDR GSFDG