Can I have my unlocks reset please, I just bought S3 and I used them up without thinking about downloading the patch, I'm such a numpty....thanks.
Release date in Europe May 7th, 8th for the UK and 12th in the US announced today.
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They barely write anything, they mostly post videos of themselves, and horror of all horrors they call it realistic and fun. Read them, there's no spin doctoring on Rene Rast's posts, and he has an awesome sim rig. You are as cynical as I am naive so between a half empty glass and a half full one we could have a pint and agree to disagree?
Ollie Webb helped with the BAC Mono handling because he is the BAC company's official development driver. Ben Collins and Nick Hamilton regularly post feedback on car handling and tyre behaviour to allow the devs to tune them. I believe what I see and read on the forums, which is the interaction between dev and driver. Rene Rast signed up to WMD as a Sim racing fan and with his latest YouTube video included his setup for people to try out. Maybe like all other WMD members (well the ones who can be bothered and actually get involved) he just wants to share his love of PCARS, SMS have stated he is not paid to do it. You say PR BS, yes it's good PR but I don't think it's BS.
Well call me clueless and give me a grin! And I like sweet corn. It would be a shame to not try different things and try to enjoy them though. All I want is for people to enjoy PCars, and I believe it merits a "sim" label. That is my opinion and my wish for sim racing world peace. I hope you like it Tristan but you'll forgive me if my world doesn't end if you don't won't you? I'm allowed to love it even if it doesn't meet someone else's high standards. Formula Gulf for open wheel and z4 for GT cars are the most developed I believe. Don't worry that it will be poo, just go try it 
. All you lose is an hour or so of your time, actually maybe more depending on the time it takes to update if you haven't played for some time.
You won't believe this but I actually know people who don't like Live for Speed...I know crazy right!
. All you lose is an hour or so of your time, actually maybe more depending on the time it takes to update if you haven't played for some time.You won't believe this but I actually know people who don't like Live for Speed...I know crazy right!
Real life WEC racing drivers using PCars to prepare for real world events and posting videos as well as helping the Devs with the physics and tyre modelling. Physics are coming together now, I do hope people give this a fair crack rather than listening to the loud opinions cited as fact previously posted here.
I hope you all enjoy PCars it really is becoming something quite special.
I hope you all enjoy PCars it really is becoming something quite special.
I can't race anywhere at the moment, I've wrecked my PC. SMS are making a Sim, it's a shame so many give it such a hard time. The proof will be in the playing when it's released. Until then there is a lot that can change, and does daily. Sadly everyone judges it as a finished product when it is far from being done. I like pCars, some cars more than others, doesn't mean I have to hate all the other sims, and LFS is still awesome...I don't understand why people who love virtual driving have to be so closed minded, I will buy AC at some point, maybe when it's completed if I can just buy the game, but no way will I get into subscription racing, life's too busy.
Slightly Mad had bills to pay...the game was commissioned and they got paid to do it...pCars is planned for release at the end of the year, they have a detailed project plan which is available for all members to see. Graphics may carry over between projects but the official line is the World of Speed handling/physics is targeted at burnout style arcade racing.
Project Cars is still aiming for full on Simulation, it might not be there yet but I hope you will keep an open mind and try it out, I believe there will be a demo.
Project Cars is still aiming for full on Simulation, it might not be there yet but I hope you will keep an open mind and try it out, I believe there will be a demo.
Gentleman Drivers Club races on Sunday evenings around 7pm, every other week normally. Interesting car restrictions and a ballast system to promote clean driving. Www.slowdrivers.net. There are a few of us uk based, good mix of faster and slower drivers and very clean.
Renault had a miserable time in the Jerez testing. The company’s Rob White explains what happened.
“We have not run enough laps, and when we have they have not been run at an acceptable performance level,” he says. “The underlying causes are not straightforward: there isn’t a single component or system that has caused particular trouble. A number of related things have been troublesome, principally concerning the control and operation of the various sub-systems of the Power Unit within the car. For example on the first run day, we had problems with a sub-system within the Energy Store that did not directly concern either the battery nor the operation of the battery – it is an electronic part that was in the same housing as the Energy Store.
“We subsequently had problems with turbocharger and boost control systems with knock-on effects on the associated engine management systems, subsequently provoking mechanical failures.”
“Between days 1 and 2 with the help of Red Bull, we implemented a later level of hardware for the rest of the test to address the problem within the Energy Store. This ran for the remaining days. In parallel to running in Jerez, the team at Viry has run dyno test programs to investigate the trackside problems and to propose solutions. We identified the probable root cause of our main turbo control issues, implemented some workarounds that were first seen at the end of day 3 and deployed in the three cars for day 4. This established a very minimalist baseline from which we could build.”
The engines had done considerable running on the dynos before the test, why were the problems not spotted beforehand.
“We believed our initial configuration was a robust start point for track use but it has not proved to be the case. We have done substantial dyno running in a similar configuration with few issues. We now know that the differences between dyno and car are bigger than we expected, with the consequence that our initial impressions were incomplete and imperfect. L ll?
Our intention was to run the car; we are very frustrated to face this litany of issues that we should have ironed out on the dyno and which have deprived us of a precious learning opportunity.”
But the test did provide useful information?
“Absolutely, and at this stage every kilometre is hugely valuable. We recognize that when the cars have run, they are not running at an acceptable level. We are a long way from the type of operation we had planned and prepared for – largely as a result of the workarounds we have implemented – but all the information is useful. In dealing with the issues we have moved further away from the configuration we were comfortable with, which has resulted in the relatively slow times, but the running has given us a vastly greater understanding of the issues we face. We absolutely expect to have a more definitive solution in place for the next session in Bahrain.”
Did the Renault teams have the same problems?
“Several problems are common to all, as the power unit is the same specification in all the cars except for relatively minor installations differences. Some problems are particular to one installation environment, but it is our responsibility to deal with all of them.
“In general, the individual issues are understood; we have worked with all three teams running this week and despite appearances, have made some useful progress. We have not uncovered any big new fundamental problem, although we must recognize that our limited running makes it impossible to be certain.
“Of course we now have a large job list for Bahrain as a lot of the items we wanted to test in Jerez we have not been able to cover. The next stage is to identify the root causes for the problems we experienced, to develop the solutions to strengthen our validation process so we can be more confident to tackle Bahrain in a more normal way.”
In view of this test, are you still in favour of the new regulations?
“Yes absolutely. The powertrain regulations are a massive challenge but also an opportunity, and are hugely important in placing F1 back at the vanguard of technology. We have the necessary tools and determination to succeed.
“The step we must take to reach an acceptable level of in-car performance is bigger than we would have liked. It is unacceptable that we have not been able to mitigate the problems sufficiently to allow our partners to run at any length. We are working hard to correct this in time for Bahrain and aim to make amends there.”
Oh dear! Not just struggling to get it working but not seeing the performance. Renault customers are going to be unhappy bunnies if they don't get this sorted for Bahrain.
“We have not run enough laps, and when we have they have not been run at an acceptable performance level,” he says. “The underlying causes are not straightforward: there isn’t a single component or system that has caused particular trouble. A number of related things have been troublesome, principally concerning the control and operation of the various sub-systems of the Power Unit within the car. For example on the first run day, we had problems with a sub-system within the Energy Store that did not directly concern either the battery nor the operation of the battery – it is an electronic part that was in the same housing as the Energy Store.
“We subsequently had problems with turbocharger and boost control systems with knock-on effects on the associated engine management systems, subsequently provoking mechanical failures.”
“Between days 1 and 2 with the help of Red Bull, we implemented a later level of hardware for the rest of the test to address the problem within the Energy Store. This ran for the remaining days. In parallel to running in Jerez, the team at Viry has run dyno test programs to investigate the trackside problems and to propose solutions. We identified the probable root cause of our main turbo control issues, implemented some workarounds that were first seen at the end of day 3 and deployed in the three cars for day 4. This established a very minimalist baseline from which we could build.”
The engines had done considerable running on the dynos before the test, why were the problems not spotted beforehand.
“We believed our initial configuration was a robust start point for track use but it has not proved to be the case. We have done substantial dyno running in a similar configuration with few issues. We now know that the differences between dyno and car are bigger than we expected, with the consequence that our initial impressions were incomplete and imperfect. L ll?
Our intention was to run the car; we are very frustrated to face this litany of issues that we should have ironed out on the dyno and which have deprived us of a precious learning opportunity.”
But the test did provide useful information?
“Absolutely, and at this stage every kilometre is hugely valuable. We recognize that when the cars have run, they are not running at an acceptable level. We are a long way from the type of operation we had planned and prepared for – largely as a result of the workarounds we have implemented – but all the information is useful. In dealing with the issues we have moved further away from the configuration we were comfortable with, which has resulted in the relatively slow times, but the running has given us a vastly greater understanding of the issues we face. We absolutely expect to have a more definitive solution in place for the next session in Bahrain.”
Did the Renault teams have the same problems?
“Several problems are common to all, as the power unit is the same specification in all the cars except for relatively minor installations differences. Some problems are particular to one installation environment, but it is our responsibility to deal with all of them.
“In general, the individual issues are understood; we have worked with all three teams running this week and despite appearances, have made some useful progress. We have not uncovered any big new fundamental problem, although we must recognize that our limited running makes it impossible to be certain.
“Of course we now have a large job list for Bahrain as a lot of the items we wanted to test in Jerez we have not been able to cover. The next stage is to identify the root causes for the problems we experienced, to develop the solutions to strengthen our validation process so we can be more confident to tackle Bahrain in a more normal way.”
In view of this test, are you still in favour of the new regulations?
“Yes absolutely. The powertrain regulations are a massive challenge but also an opportunity, and are hugely important in placing F1 back at the vanguard of technology. We have the necessary tools and determination to succeed.
“The step we must take to reach an acceptable level of in-car performance is bigger than we would have liked. It is unacceptable that we have not been able to mitigate the problems sufficiently to allow our partners to run at any length. We are working hard to correct this in time for Bahrain and aim to make amends there.”
Oh dear! Not just struggling to get it working but not seeing the performance. Renault customers are going to be unhappy bunnies if they don't get this sorted for Bahrain.
I'm glad to hear you are still testing pCars...there is a glimmer of hope in you after all.
I had a boss who quoted someone, can't remember who. The quote was;
If you always do what you always did, then you'll always get what you always got...
From this I took it that change is the only way forward, and trying something new the only way to get there. There is no ISI engine in pCars as far as I'm aware, and all previous games have been developed under publisher agreements and not always finished the way they wanted them to be.
So stop talking and get testing, you never know you might actually enjoy yourself.
I had a boss who quoted someone, can't remember who. The quote was;
If you always do what you always did, then you'll always get what you always got...
From this I took it that change is the only way forward, and trying something new the only way to get there. There is no ISI engine in pCars as far as I'm aware, and all previous games have been developed under publisher agreements and not always finished the way they wanted them to be.
So stop talking and get testing, you never know you might actually enjoy yourself.
With respect Dawes who knows if the tech preview will be the same as the finished game in AC. It's bizarre you praise it to high heaven when there is so little to go on...I expect it to Be very good too, but I'm not retarded enough to pass judgement just yet.
Tristan, thank you, all I asked all along was for you guys to give it a chance. Don't expect it to be perfect, but it never will be unless people who know what they're doing get in there and test it. Sadly Dawes has closed the book on it. I'd be interested to hear your thoughts but it would be much better if you posted in the dedicated WMD thread, I can post a link if you want.
This is an extract from one of the latest targeted testing threads:
Yeah they hate feedback...get in there and get involved I dare you.
Yeah they hate feedback...get in there and get involved I dare you.
Not a single fact in your opinion here. It's a shame you have decided you know what the future holds and call it fact...the evidence is of a game in development, one with a substantial amount of work still to do, firstly they haven't sold a single copy of a finished game to anyone, members have joined in crowd funded development. Their intention is still to make simulator, just because you don't think it is now doesn't make it a fact that it never will be. How can you say they've changed nothing, they completely restarted the tyre modelling from scratch because it wasn't going the way they hoped, and it's constantly changing, it's called development for a reason. It can't be NFS: Shift3 because EA own the licence and SMS decided to get away from publishers for the good of gamers.
Feeding shit...please grow up. I did try to keep this civil, there is no need for that. I realise you can hide behind the Internet when you want to call a reputable company a fraud because you are of little consequence to them, but do you have to resort to such childish and needless attacks. We were having a fairly adult discussion on the topic, clearly you've lost patience with that. That's t'internet for you. I was hoping to encourage some LFSer's to get involved and help out, but you just want to slag it off because you've made your mind up about it already.
Sadly you have decided you know what the future holds, based on nothing but your own opinion. Rather than try to help make it better, probably because someone didn't jump to it last time you posted about how shit you thought it was, you've decided it's always going to be as shit as you think it will be. None of which is based on fact just your opinion. What a depressing world it would be if we knew what was going to happen all the time.
True, who would want to make solicitors any richer, slightly off topic but some pillock at work signed off an invoice from a solicitors firm. They charged £24 to scan and e-mail a document, the same for replying to an e-mail and attaching requested information, it's no wonder they're so rich.
Your words are not however true, they are your opinion, you said so yourself
Your words are not however true, they are your opinion, you said so yourself
I disagree, with the potential revenue streams from consoles, $100k here and $20k there are drops in the ocean, obviously this depends on customers reaction to your following point...without a publisher raping the spoils SMS can net all but the distribution costs of the selling price.
Part of the process of finishing the game is going to be about "quick options" for the console players to click one button and get settings configured to make it easier.
Have you heard of libel laws, this is pretty strong stuff to accuse SMS of? The FSA have probed the whole setup diligently, and signed it off with just some legal structure changes. Your opinion of how the game will turn out may be proven wrong, yet you state it as supporting evidence of your accusation. Seriously, think about what you are posting please, for your own sake. I'm not going to sue you but if you write stuff like that regularly, someone will come after you. You are calling a reputable company fraudsters and liars, not recommended in my experience.
The two things don't have to be mutually exclusive, I don't understand why people insist they do? Why can't a great Sim have a great career mode and options to make it accessible and playable to novices, doesn't sound like rocket science to me.
I'm probably going to get all of them, obviously I've backed pCars so I want it to be the daddy, whatever happens the next 12 months is looking as though virtual racing is coming back to the fore as a genre. Call it Sim, Simcade, Arcade whatever label you want to put on the games (which regardless of label is what they will all be), I'm looking forward to a great year.
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Previously publishers dictated how games were made, men in suits reading marketing gubbins to decide how to maximise their income...so we had EA saying cockpit view is going right? Only 5% play cockpit so f*** it.
SMS is a developer, not a publisher, they want to make the best racing SIM they can, and their funding has largely come from the pockets of those who love SIM racing on PC... everyone who helped fund it gets a say in how it's made, gets to watch it being made (rather than screen shots every few weeks).
Fine if you don't believe the guys trying to rescue us from the greedy suits. Yes they want to maximise their income, so when the game is done it will be available on consoles. The console version will be incompatible with the PC version and there will be hardware constraints, but they'll do the best they can. The PC version will be the one for the petrol heads. That's not selling out, that's common sense.
I really hope you are wrong about pCars and SMS, not for some personal points or kudos, but because if you are, then we will get one awesome SIM that looks as beautiful as it drives, with car and track configurations to make your shorts moist. Please don't take that personally. If you are right then I'll probably still enjoy playing it even if you don't, again nothing personal, I'm enjoying the multiplayer side of it already, not very successfully but enjoyable nonetheless.
SMS is a developer, not a publisher, they want to make the best racing SIM they can, and their funding has largely come from the pockets of those who love SIM racing on PC... everyone who helped fund it gets a say in how it's made, gets to watch it being made (rather than screen shots every few weeks).
Fine if you don't believe the guys trying to rescue us from the greedy suits. Yes they want to maximise their income, so when the game is done it will be available on consoles. The console version will be incompatible with the PC version and there will be hardware constraints, but they'll do the best they can. The PC version will be the one for the petrol heads. That's not selling out, that's common sense.
I really hope you are wrong about pCars and SMS, not for some personal points or kudos, but because if you are, then we will get one awesome SIM that looks as beautiful as it drives, with car and track configurations to make your shorts moist. Please don't take that personally. If you are right then I'll probably still enjoy playing it even if you don't, again nothing personal, I'm enjoying the multiplayer side of it already, not very successfully but enjoyable nonetheless.
I never questioned Tristan's credentials, I just stated that I didn't know his background. I'm old school so googling people feels like stalking to me. I also remember when googling required whites, a cricket ball and impressive wrist action, although I'm sure the modern meaning sometimes requires the latter, or so I've heard.
@dawesdust I'm not ready to give up hope just yet, and as far as I know games develop all the way up to the point they are released, it's just clever maths at the end of the day, unless you can point out how wrong I am if you have as impressive credentials in games development as Tristan does in car behaviour?
I'm an eternal optimist I warn you.
Also if the sim community won't get behind a company trying to give them the opportunity to give them the Sim what they want, well, then the sim community won't get it, I just see that as a missed opportunity is all.
@dawesdust I'm not ready to give up hope just yet, and as far as I know games develop all the way up to the point they are released, it's just clever maths at the end of the day, unless you can point out how wrong I am if you have as impressive credentials in games development as Tristan does in car behaviour?
I'm an eternal optimist I warn you.
Also if the sim community won't get behind a company trying to give them the opportunity to give them the Sim what they want, well, then the sim community won't get it, I just see that as a missed opportunity is all.
For the record, I politely asked Tristan to explain further. I'm genuinely happy for Tristan that he gets to do that. I genuinely wish I could, but for the talent and the money who knows.
There is at least a year of development left, please by all means post the link to your post where you tried to report something. I'm not trying to say it's perfect now. I'm trying to say this is the only (you say simcade, I say potential Sim) where you have the chance to be involved in the development. If you give up because someone disagrees after one post, well that's not much conviction or discussion. You won't get the opportunity anywhere else, so why not get stuck in.
You have views that your entitled to, I only post here because in my view LFSers have a lot to contribute, because they/we drive a Sim that is very good and if the best bits of LFS can make it into pCars, well that wouldn't be a bad thing now would it?
I just want those not involved, not to be put off by the negative comments and try the demo when the game is released. You never know, they might like it!
There is at least a year of development left, please by all means post the link to your post where you tried to report something. I'm not trying to say it's perfect now. I'm trying to say this is the only (you say simcade, I say potential Sim) where you have the chance to be involved in the development. If you give up because someone disagrees after one post, well that's not much conviction or discussion. You won't get the opportunity anywhere else, so why not get stuck in.
You have views that your entitled to, I only post here because in my view LFSers have a lot to contribute, because they/we drive a Sim that is very good and if the best bits of LFS can make it into pCars, well that wouldn't be a bad thing now would it?
I just want those not involved, not to be put off by the negative comments and try the demo when the game is released. You never know, they might like it!
I had a DFGT before my G27, still have but gave it my son. Wheel is fine but not as smooth as G27 and is a little noisier. I think you can use G27 pedals but not shifter as there is no socket for it on the wheel, there may be a USB conversion you can do if you read around. Nice wheel will do you proud, enjoy!
I'm won't buy anything unless it's at least 75% off. It's a bit like playing chicken...I have spent about £20 so far but have got an autumn/winter collection that will keep me out of trouble.
I was thinking more about momentum of the car causing the rotation, and the lack of lateral grip allowing it. The rotation caused by the angle of entry into the corner and steering angle before the car goes light.
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