@Scawen
This is a disappointing and the wrong strategy (in my opinion). There is always something more to find out. A simulation will never perfect. I understand, that the physics seem not work in certain situations. But after a "promise" 2 years ago to release new content, it should have been your priority to release new content.

It seems to me, that you are chasing a carrot. You always have new ideas for new features and then figure out, that it takes more time to analyze and implement these things, until they are "perfect".

The 24th was the last date for me, for a new patch or a definitive release date. I will neither buy an S2 license nor play LFS anymore. I bought an S2 license for a friend of mine early in 2009 for his birthday, in hope for the Scirocco and new content. I also planned to buy a license for myself, as soon as the new content would have been released...

Bye
LFS_Adam (alias GT_320)

Quote from herki :

Yeah, like you'd buy the game if they patched it.

:talktohan


I thought, I would buy it. Maybe you have better informations about my intentions than myself. illepall

Quote from ghost racer :

If you have a demo license

No patch --> no license --> no money

Quote from Zen321 :

I always thought the test patches were released on Mondays ?

It does not make any difference, whether it's NOT released on a Friday or NOT released on a Monday...

Quote from G!NhO :

It will be released when monkeys rule the world.

It will be released today?

Quote from JazzOn :

it's out - Z28

You know exactly what i mean with "all features"...

In my(!) opinion anything but a release this year is not acceptable..., though I know this does not speed up development. But Scawen should release at least a test patch with all features and use (for now) a simple physical solution for the cases, where the new tyre physics do not work as expected. Though I guess it would be difficult to combine the new tyre physics with "workaround physics" for special cases.

Quote from jasonmatthews :

It has been quite a few months now since the last progress report, and even Scavier must have to admit that the patience of even the most avid LFS customer is being pushed here....

Any chance of another progress report?

I would prefer a patch of course, but in the absence of that, surely we deserve some news to keep us going?
Are we expected to wait forever?
It gets quite hard to motivate a team, aswell as myself, to keep fighting to keep the team interested in LFS, a team that has taken 8 years to build. When they want to move to other sims, what am I supposed to say? The new patch is coming soon?

I did that 2 years ago, now it really is getting a bit much.....

I can completely understand that physics take a long time etc etc, but we, as committed members of the community, deserve to know what kind of time frame we are working to here (IMHO)... Will it take weeks? Months? Another 2 years?

Whatever that may be, please let us know, then we can move on to other sims if we so wish, and come back to LFS when the patch is released (maybe).

The present situation, where we have no idea if the patch could be released in the next week, or next 10 years, is really not the best way to treat us IMHO....

@Bmxtwins and KiRmelius

:doh:

I played it on his computer. Now i'm curious, what's the next point you don't understand.

@SouvlakiTheBest

Thx for clarifying that, i was really wondering, why i cannot feel the air and the g's :doh:

@rockclan
:woohoo:

@BMWtwins

1. use your brain
2. XRT has been in previous demo versions
3. I already have Z28 since the day it has been released

@vf1-nazca
So graphics and physics engine is different in S2?

BTW: I already bought S2 for a friend of mine and played it.

Yes, i think i can judge the physics also as demo user. I've driven a lots of XRT and FBM in Blackwood (1:12.38 --> no hard shortcutting, only using curbs). There are various points, which feel/are unrealistic with the current physics: Tyre heating/cooling, dirt on tyres, tyre grip and car behaviour when driving the car at the limit. I can handle it, but i know and feel it's far from a real world behaviour.

But i'm confident these things will get fixed/better with the patch.

Graphics: comic-like colors, lighting, no real environment mapping, tyre smoke (too simple), track objects like trees (too simple)

Sounds: should sound like Netkar pro

That's all!

Last edited by LFS_Adam, Fri, 10 Sep 2010 11:58.

Quote from IIIIIbarcodeIIIII :

^^^
Honestly, if there was never another update I would still be happy with what I have paid for.

Me not, current physics and graphics are reasons for me NOT to buy a LFS license :sleep2:

Here is the patch with updated physics: Patch

More important than new tracks or cars is improved physics, graphics and sound (in this order). With Rockingham and one or two new cars in the next patch, there's really no deficit.

Quote from petercollins :

Volkswagen Scirocco....who gives a sh*t....roll on Gran Turismo 5

and F1 2010

Quote from legoflamb :

That is one I did not missed. I definitely am an LFS fanboy, and in no way am I diverting fanboydom away from myself.

Judging by your comment, you are classified as a 3 if you deny being a fanboy.

Just wanted to tease you (just for fun), without smiley (which is more fun).

Anyway i'm not a 3, i'm no fanboy. But i can't deny, i'm waiting for the patch
and i think it is/was the wrong strategy to hold back other new features
(Scirocco, falling off car parts and crash physics, graphic updates) until the
new tyre physics are finished. :Kick_Can_

But anyway, i concentrate on my real life and my next holiday with my girlfriend

Early 2009

4. Fans who try classify other Fanboys in 3 classes to divert fanboydom away from them selves

I don't care much about the Scirocco too. Because a low power and low grip
FWD car has never been exciting to drive in a video game (at least for me). It
feels like slowmotion, because the sense of speed and forces is missing. Of course
in real life it's something else...

I'm waiting for:
- New tyre physics
- New crash physics or falling of car parts (which has been promised before)
- Updated graphics and sound

Before somebody moans, that i'm just a demo racer. I bought S2 for a friend
for his birthday. I think of buying it for myself, though i've not much time to
play, but definitely NOT before we get a real update.

In plain language: Since the FBMW (Dec 2007) has been released, there was
no update, which made the game experience better (no graphics, sound or
physics update). Yes tell me about new interiors and so on...

Quote from Tur8o :

will there be a Z14?

I remember a song: "In the year 2525, If man is still alive, If woman can survive, They may find..."

Quote from evilpimp :

If a 2009 F1 car is introduced in the game then yes.
Other then that no.

Anything else would be out of place in a simulation.

Quote from GrIp DrIvEr :

Hey, anybody got a heads up on the VW Scirocco? Like, when it might be released?

When it might be released? --> Yes! (I guess on...)
When it is released? --> No!

But I don't think it is released for demo. Anyway i don't care about that,
because i'm not that excited about the Scirocco. And i wan't to keep the
FBM instead of being replaced by the Scirocco. I'm more excited about
graphics, physics and other updates.

Last edited by LFS_Adam, Thu, 11 Dec 2008 16:58.

NFSU --> :hihi: 56%?

NFS should have -1000%!

Everything after Need for Speed 1 was crap in my opinion. It's ridiculous,
but the physics of NFS 1 are still better than all its successors.