Repeat with me guys :
Alonso's engine is not going to break.
EDIT :
++ McLarens
+ Alonso
++ Rosberg
+++ Kubica
++ Petrov
-- Massa
--- Red Bull (Vettel is supposed to be much better @ wet)
Wtf driver of the race : Schumacher
Has been in most of the fights, but didn't decide the race.
Alonso's engine is not going to break.
EDIT :
++ McLarens
+ Alonso
++ Rosberg
+++ Kubica
++ Petrov
-- Massa
--- Red Bull (Vettel is supposed to be much better @ wet)
Wtf driver of the race : Schumacher
Has been in most of the fights, but didn't decide the race.
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To anyone reading this afterwards : yes, the race is so interesting no one has posted in a long time.
Go Alguersuari!!!
I can see him going Red Bull next year if he keeps getting better :]
Go Alguersuari!!!
I can see him going Red Bull next year if he keeps getting better :]
And here comes the Safety Car to kick everyone's plans
Virgin failed already...
Funny situation from Kimi :
On one side, he can favour Ferrari by giving them the 3rd place on team's championship.
On the other side, he can favour McLaren and then maybe get a seat for next season with them.
Yes, they are both one point apart ;>
On one side, he can favour Ferrari by giving them the 3rd place on team's championship.
On the other side, he can favour McLaren and then maybe get a seat for next season with them.
Yes, they are both one point apart ;>
Trulli saw a chance when Sutil had to brake to not to eat the Ferrari, and then he made the typical LFS begginer's mistake on T1 (but he did it slightly further away), thinking there's enough room and that brake is there for aesthetics.
It was a chance for him, and with his current position in the team (glock/kobayashi pushing him out), he had to try. But it went wrong.
I think it's more of a race incident than anything else, but if someone's to blame that's the italian. The only actual victim is Alonso, for Sutil was too worried with the Ferrari that forgot to look back to his chaser.
In any event, this and Raikkonen being 'on fire' (and that does not mean his performance for once
) helped to spice up a little that weekend. Plenty of things going on track, quite amusing.
It was a chance for him, and with his current position in the team (glock/kobayashi pushing him out), he had to try. But it went wrong.
I think it's more of a race incident than anything else, but if someone's to blame that's the italian. The only actual victim is Alonso, for Sutil was too worried with the Ferrari that forgot to look back to his chaser.
In any event, this and Raikkonen being 'on fire' (and that does not mean his performance for once
) helped to spice up a little that weekend. Plenty of things going on track, quite amusing.You need to count that he also was the only driver with KERS on the top ten, so the gap is unrealisticaly widened.
That doesn't take away that it has been a great solid weekend from Hamilton, point is that you can't count only fuel loads anymore this year.
(Next year IF every car has KERS, then that's going to be another matter)
Brawn needs to get a good result for good standings mean more sponsors.
BMW needs to get a good result so if they sell the team they can say 'hey, we're leaving you with an ok car, it ain't that bad if we managed to get such results on a new track!'
Red Bull needs to get a good result to be a believable title contenders for next year, attract fans, and leave behind the criticism some people might have for them for not being able to get the championship (totally pointless as it's the first year RBR has been a top contendant).
See the pattern?
Other teams care about two things : Finishing the race and adquiring data for next year.
Drivers are a different matter though, as everyone that does not have a confirmed seat for next year will be pushing to the limit to gain exposure, and then possible investors which will hand a car for 2010.
As weird as it might sound, worst enemy of F1 (even years ago when it wasn't as capped and standarized as it is today) is new things - and a new circuit falls into that category -, thus teams do have to experiment quite heavily. At least those that want to be somewhere up high next year on this very circuit (remember WDC and WCC are already decided).
Light on fuel + KERS explain a lot.
Awesome driving does too ;>
That's being harsh on Alguersuari. I mean, this year there are no training sessions and he's only been here for six races. Buemi has had 10 more GP to get the feeling for the car and as so he's got almost 3 times the F1 driving experience.
Besides, the only instructions Alg is being sent is to finish the race and get into the Q2 - it's going to be next year when he'll be forced to do good, but as of now, he's there to practice and shape up good for next year.
Back to the circuit, is it only me or does it have the shape of an old western handgun?
In any event, it's a competitive one!
Completely agree.
However you must also accept that Brawn GP is one of the teams that are currently in good shape to win the race, just as Toyota, and that Vettel, Kubica and Rosberg are favorite from the rest of the drivers (not teams, Webber was nowhere to be seen, same as Heidfeld and Nakajima), being Hamilton, Alonso and the 'red cars' the possible suprises, those drivers you can never count out whatever the odds.
Something I have been wondering is what's going to be the true performance of the Force India. They did not do as bad as last year in Australia, and certainly could come from nowhere sometime and start getting points if the conditions were good for them. As far as I can remember, they have no KERS nor the 'special' diffusers?
Anyway, not expecting a certain team to win, I'm rather expecting to have a good time this sunday and enjoy the race as it is :>
In general I'm glad this race is over, mostly because for many years it has been more of a lottery than an actual benchmark after the pre-season, thus making assumptions out of it is risky to a degree (yes, I know that usually the driver that wins this first race usually ends up being WDC, but statistics are there to be broken, not followed).
Out of all the drivers, I've been most impressed with Trulli. Surely, he had done nothing that is truly remarkable or awesome, but if you think he came out last from the pits and ended up third before FIA penalized his car again, it's quite telling you that his team is up there next to the Brawn GP ones.
Best drive would go for Kubica and Vettel weren't they both to crash into eachother (if I was a steward I would sign this off as a race incident), or Rosberg wasn't his performance or tyres degradating. All in all, it's hard to get a 'best at' without naming a BrawnGP driver, however I would say that as many incidents the race had, it was more a matter of being at the right place at the right moment than anything else.
Waiting for the Malaysian GP, I think everything is yet to be decided in the means that this australian race has shown plenty of action but since many cars did not manage to finish, the result is not as meningful as it will be on next races with less incidents.
All in all, pretty happy there are much more things going on in the 2 hours than just one driver stopping at the pits, the pace of the race feels better, there actually are more chances for overtaking and the drivers are closer, so all the rule changes are working (the KERS is the only one I'm doubting, either because the implementation was poor on some teams or because drivers were not using it properly) and making it more exciting and close-knit. Apart, it seems the level of the broadcasts has gone up, so it makes more for a spectacle, which is always good as long as it doesn't kill the essence of F1.
My 2 cents
Out of all the drivers, I've been most impressed with Trulli. Surely, he had done nothing that is truly remarkable or awesome, but if you think he came out last from the pits and ended up third before FIA penalized his car again, it's quite telling you that his team is up there next to the Brawn GP ones.
Best drive would go for Kubica and Vettel weren't they both to crash into eachother (if I was a steward I would sign this off as a race incident), or Rosberg wasn't his performance or tyres degradating. All in all, it's hard to get a 'best at' without naming a BrawnGP driver, however I would say that as many incidents the race had, it was more a matter of being at the right place at the right moment than anything else.
Waiting for the Malaysian GP, I think everything is yet to be decided in the means that this australian race has shown plenty of action but since many cars did not manage to finish, the result is not as meningful as it will be on next races with less incidents.
All in all, pretty happy there are much more things going on in the 2 hours than just one driver stopping at the pits, the pace of the race feels better, there actually are more chances for overtaking and the drivers are closer, so all the rule changes are working (the KERS is the only one I'm doubting, either because the implementation was poor on some teams or because drivers were not using it properly) and making it more exciting and close-knit. Apart, it seems the level of the broadcasts has gone up, so it makes more for a spectacle, which is always good as long as it doesn't kill the essence of F1.
My 2 cents
All of those are forms of discrimination, and all of them should be treated the same way.
Shouldn't we be shouting at people also who is laughing at Kimi, Coulthard, Alonso and Massa -amongst others- just because they are discriminating them the way they are?
I mean, do you think Coulthard loves it to hear people calling his chin enormous? In the same fashion, it's nothing he had picked to have or to be, just like Hamilton didn't choose to be of his skin color (not like there's anything bad about being yellow, blue, white or black), so where is the difference?
Spaniards, by a huge margin, are one of the collectives which uses the meanest and worst language that spanish allows (and that the language doesn't recognize), so anyone coming to spain from another country-culture will be shocked. However, anyone who has lived there for a long time gets used to it and does actually play it down where it has to be by spanish 'standards'.
Even though I dislike it, I tolerate -because I have grown used to people talk with insults in between sentences- their way of expressing themselves. I suggest that while not knowing the spanish way of speaking, you don't try to force comments about it as if they were the only truth, as they are misinformed. Has the guy lived for a long time and integrated in spain, he would know better, although racist commentary -but not direct offense- is common through the lowest classes, it's uncommon on medium class and a rarity upwards -where is taken as highly disgusting.
I prefer german beer. With cola, please.
That's something I tried to explain each and every time. If the whole of F1 had blond hair and he had brown hair, they would have painted their hair brown to make fun out of it. It's not about being racist but competition getting out of hand by some fans. It's a bad outcome, I agree, but the origins are not racism.
On the other side, you can see how it's not racism as word goes around amongst spanish F1 fans that Hamilton deserved the title more than anyone else, while if we go to statistics, he won by 1 point (so they do have a fact to hold on and say he didn't deserve, if they really did dislike him so much).
That's what I mean, actually. Here, we let the police and security on the stadiums do their job. I think they are the most adequate people to take care about it, on the place, at the time it happens. Whether they do their job or not, that's sadly another matter. I don't believe the press should have any role here but pointing at what failed/could be done better, meaning that by themselves, press ain't gonna jail anyone.
I know that part, and it's why I don't make any question about racism on UK, it's pretty well done the way it is to stop racism and it would be good to have that here also.
As you say, it's fine to dislike anyone, but once he's coloured it becomes a crime (which is funny, since if someone of caucasian race would abuse me, it may not be a crime, but the same abuse on a black person would mean the abuser would get in deep crap), which is pollitically correct but morally and ethically wrong, as justice is saying 'everyone is the same'. There's more than one conflict there.
About the slit eye, I always thought it was good to put your hands next to your ears to mimick elephants. Are you going to tell me I'm gonna get sued by them? I mean, it's not intended as offense but as a sympathy thing. It's not to make fun out of them but to say "we're not that different", more uniting than anything else. Is that a bad thing? Is this racism?
I lol'ed
Link 1 comes from promotional purposes, the spanish basketball team was kind of forced to do that, it's not actually representing their will. Linked to the third link, those kind of gestures are meant more to sympathise with chinese people than to make fun out of them. Honestly, there is no racism involved but just the will to show that they're not so different.
About link 2, it's one of those few times it's actually 'right', even though you might want to read this line again as it sums things up pretty well :
So, nothing happens if they are made by some youngsters of other countries, but it's an issue if it's spaniards that make it? In all fairness, this is how I feel this 'racism' thing is being handled: If it comes from Spain, it's racism. If it comes from somewhere else, it's just a bunch of people being fools or using too much energy to express their feelings. Why is it this way is far above me.
I was making an example of your post, just picked it because it was showing the line of thought of many L.H.'s fans. Pick several 'if', turn it into a fact, and blame the guy confronting this. I'm sorry if you thought I was pointing at you, I was short on time and this part might have slipped out, so again, sorry, it wasn't a personal attack or anything close to that for that matter, it was more a reply to the underlying idea of your post.
Meaning is, from 4 possible answers of true or false, you're prone to use the one that suits best to your argument, and completely ignore the other 75%, hence the part of your post where you state the following :
So you are actually picking 'if' values as fact, as you don't let Gunn explain himself but rather go on and assume he has a view on the matter that might not be his at all. This is fine on a forum, as we're here to talk about things, but what I feel is wrong is the media toying with that same principle. Not long ago there was an interview made to Alonso, before the Brazilian race, where he said 'yeah, I'll do whatever it takes to help Massa win'. It was taken so much off context it was awful. I was seeing the live interview, and he was _laughing_ at the idea. If this doesn't give a clear view on how the media takes every bit of information and distorts it to their own interests, pretty much nothing will.
And no, this is not a personal matter, just an oppinion as to why we're actually talking about this while this subject should have died away a long time ago.
It's not as if you, personally, were saying each and every spaniard is/was racist. It's as if the hole of england (or at least english 'yellow' press, always looking for the scandal factor) would be thinking like that. I have seen several news sites were people is allowed to post comments, and their comments are far worse both in number and in hatred than whatever 'racist incident' has happened in spain the last few years.
On a sidenote : the 'growing racism problem in spanish football' ain't so. Most vids, news and links you might find are dated. There was a moment several years ago where it was a growing problem (even if taken out of context by the media. I remember one of those 'racist incidents' being people shouting 'boo' at Eto'o on a football match, being taken as racist, but in fact they were yelling at him because he costed millions to a poor team and performed well below the expectations). Now, thankfully, it's going down to the point of being not any bigger than on most other countries. Of course, there always is the british press to say I'm wrong, but I guess they don't live here, do they?
The focus of their hatred was the rivalry between both drivers, and the spanish-media assumed preference for L.H., while letting down F.A., by the Mercedes-McLaren team. While I won't start an argument about if this is true or not (useless waste of time, imo), it was very spread in Spain that L.H. was favored over the spaniard, probably another example of media distorsion.
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I was thinking about the XF cars, and I think their interior matches this of a Fiat Punto (not the bigger, newer version, but the old one), or at least the air conditioning/heating controls did
Please, do refrain from posting uninformated attempts of xenophobia. Thank you.
Neither every spaniard is racist, neither you can tell what's going on in Spain as what you just typed exists on your brain and biased xenophobist UK media.
Based on your comments, I can only express my disgust to your attitude and lack of open-mindness. You are certainly as bad as those people who you criticize by bringing xenophobia into the conversation.
If, if, if. Conditions don't make situations, facts do. Two guys amongst over one hundred thousand do make spaniards racist. You're welcome to put some logic into that, since skinhead movement was born in England a couple of decades ago, they were far more in number, did bigger trouble than those poor couple of idiots (who said they were spaniards, actually?) and England was not excluded of any sport. There is no actual evidence that they were not Hamilton supporters, there is no actual recording as far as I know that they were shouting abusive words, but there is evidence that by february, every year, there's Carnival party in Spain, which means people dresses up as someone or something else and has fun.
Then again, plenty of people seems to be over-affected and prefers to believe the 'ifs'. Their choice. But don't mask the 'if' to make it the truth.
Thanks for putting some sense in this thread.
@ OP : I honestly think that Ecclestone is right. People is being overly deffensive towards certain driver whose initials are L.H. and are destroying lots of things in the way. They doubt FIA, they put the stamp of racism to other countries and use xenophobic arguments out of fanboyerism. I can't think of what's worst. Then again, it's only an oppinion, but this time from someone who is living in Spain and is seeing what's going on every day, alas an informed one.
Good day to all of you.
I thought that if your car appeared on wrong direction, maybe you had some 'jerking' problem with one of your controllers, but nevermind that.
This issue happens with the 7800 series of cards with latest drivers, I suggest you do uninstall the drivers you've got now and install the older ones I've pasted before on this same topic. I also had this issue and did remove it with those older drivers.
However, keep in mind that new(er) games might not work properly with older drivers.
Cheers
You do give an awfully small quantity of information, so may I ask, is your
graphics card the AGP or PCI-E version of the 7800GS?
Whatever the version, I would recommend you try the 91.31 ForceWare drivers for it, as until now they have been the best for me in terms of reliability (not like those cards were widely supported by nVidia anyway).
However keep in mind some new games might not work properly with 'older' drivers
32-bit XP : http://downloads.guru3d.com/Fo ... P-WHQL-download-1415.html
64-bit XP : http://downloads.guru3d.com/Fo ... )-WHQL-download-1416.html
As for the 'jerking' part, do you have any other controller attached to your computer or any malfunctioning device? It could be a badly connected joypad, a printer that has gone nuts or something installed the wrong way.
I do agree with the rest, though, that it would be easier to solve your problem if you did provide more information in the form of a demo or screenshots.
Hope I have been of any help.
I'm not even close to be an Alonso's fan but I think this is a question that needs to be made :
Do you know any spanish?
I mean, most things you can see on the british (specially the british) press are not only awfully translated, but turned into a media-bashing exercise to discredit this very guy.
I can assure you that if you knew spanish and listened to what he said, he was always being confident, but quite rarely cocky (even though sometimes he was better off with his mouth shut, he admitted quite plenty of times that he speaks his mind, and he also said that this gets him into trouble). He 'expected' things, not took them for sure. Pretty a lot of those small details got lost on the translation, purely because of interests (you can't have a WDC to be famous if you want to make famous the guy of your own country, you need to choose), or so I see it, which considering I have seen and understood the live interviews in his native language and then the sensationalist brit media (obviously spanish media was also quite some sensationalist), should be a quite informed opinion.
Back on Hamilton : I agree with keiran in a number of points, I respect the guy's hotlapping skills and his ability to drive in rain, but that's all about it, he hasn't shown to be a great overtaker on F1, and often his way of overtaking lacks respect for the other drivers and forces them to make weird maneuvers to avoid collision. He is fast, but that's not all that's required in F1.
@PaulC2K : He did hit Alonso's car twice. The first time was when the front wing took some damage, the second one when the front wing apparently flew into pieces and he did hit him again.
About that race on Turkey, remembered me one of Schumi's races the last year he was racing on F1 when he had a puncture or so -can't remember-, went last, and when he was up on the points, several laps before the race end, something happened to his car and had to retire. What remembers me of this race is the fact that both were on complete focus, while the driving style and the pace at which Schumi was cutting time was a couple of steps above Hamilton's race.
Anyway, it's good to have competition. If Ferrari was dominating again with no challengers it would take away a big part of the fun. How many times before have 3 drivers been tied in points? And the leader changed that many times? And 4 drivers within 2 points?
It's getting better and better.
Quite an interesting GP with too many incidents to take them all into account.
It was a good race for Hatemelol, a good comeback by Half-field and an awesome comeback by Barrichello. Not much to say from the rest, maybe Long-so's performance with a car that has known traction problems (already slippery on dry tarmac, must have been hell on those wet conditions), a little sad about Heikki's performance and the tactics both from Rant-ault and Fear-carry.
About Massa's performance, wasn't his first car totaled before quali and thus he had to use the spare car? That would explain why he was spinning so much, at least partly (not like he's that good on wet, but would have prevented him from spinning once or twice, maybe).
With the edited stuff on, I would have thought you were speaking of anti-Alonso's movement last year, reinforced by the fact that he usually talks to the press in spanish thus there is a language barrier that most english people just can't cope with (number of english peeps speaking spanish is so close to null it hurts) and that media did effectively exploit so attention would go to Hatemelol once they killed any sympathy towards the other guy.
Just going to say that opinions are like those things you have on the low end of your back, everyone has one of it, some might smell good, some might stink, but you can't force everyone to have yours.
So please, people, don't try to force anyone to have the same oppinion as you do.
It was a good race for Hatemelol, a good comeback by Half-field and an awesome comeback by Barrichello. Not much to say from the rest, maybe Long-so's performance with a car that has known traction problems (already slippery on dry tarmac, must have been hell on those wet conditions), a little sad about Heikki's performance and the tactics both from Rant-ault and Fear-carry.
About Massa's performance, wasn't his first car totaled before quali and thus he had to use the spare car? That would explain why he was spinning so much, at least partly (not like he's that good on wet, but would have prevented him from spinning once or twice, maybe).
With the edited stuff on, I would have thought you were speaking of anti-Alonso's movement last year, reinforced by the fact that he usually talks to the press in spanish thus there is a language barrier that most english people just can't cope with (number of english peeps speaking spanish is so close to null it hurts) and that media did effectively exploit so attention would go to Hatemelol once they killed any sympathy towards the other guy.
Just going to say that opinions are like those things you have on the low end of your back, everyone has one of it, some might smell good, some might stink, but you can't force everyone to have yours.
So please, people, don't try to force anyone to have the same oppinion as you do.
+1
Would be useful for plenty of races that only harm one of the tires.
However, it should be a server-side option - so people in leagues should be able to make it compile into their own rule set.
Would be useful for plenty of races that only harm one of the tires.
However, it should be a server-side option - so people in leagues should be able to make it compile into their own rule set.
Including PhysX into a racing game would prove to be a challenge I guess the developers of LFS don't have the time to take if they're willing to get into S3 at any time. Neither them nor any other simulation (not only racing here, but also submarine/fly simulation) have shown any interest on this technology, and that might be because it's focused much more on adding detail/candy to RPG's and FPS's than in any other kind of game.
PhysX = -1
Trying to add any other Dx version than the one currently on would be a huge effort resource and time wise for a result so small 99% of people would not notice. Direct3D 8 wasn't bad at all, proved to be real stable and didn't need harsh requirements like new OS's. If anything, it was under-used and thought it wasn't capable of much, which seeing what LFS shows, it seems it's not quite right to say.
Switching to another Dx routine = -1
You lot should remember that the key of LFS's success is not the screenshots you're able to take out of the graphics, it's not top notch technology, but it's the accessibility to those with not so new computers (not hardcore gamers, but rather race/drive/drift fans) and the realistic feel of the physics.
There's no reason to make such huge changes at those basic points as long as the developer team stays on such low numbers. Let's be realistic, there is lots of things yet to be done and improved that will make the game much better, but not only because of it's looks, but of it's feel.
We just need to be patient enough.
If that was his idea, I would put it down to a couple of words like those at the end of my post.
Else, he's just either lost his luck or being unlucky. Either way, he's not exactly showing himself as a reliable guy.
Epic fail.
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