Quote from Dajmin :

But what did that actually accomplish? The same number of people bought the single that would have bought it anyway. The industry (via Sony BMG) now gets double the money they would've done otherwise.
And all that happened was one manufactured hit was replaced by another.

Enough of the music snobbery.

This wasn't even about the music anyway, it was about seeing whether it was possible, for a laugh.

Not about trying to fight manufactured music, nearly all music that is remotely popular is manufactured and always will be, if you're going to be obsessed with where your music comes from then you're tilting at windmills.

If RATM are such true and proper rebels, then why are they in such an agreement with Sony anyway? I would bet they're in it for the money too, if you think any major band out there is doing it just to spread a message, then you're mistaken.

Personally I don't care whether it made Sony lots of money or whether it was too conformist for the rest of you, I just wanted to see whether it would happen, to see if ordinary people could make a difference that big thanks to the internet.

You've all completely missed the point of it all.

I think Dajmin was knocked on his head a few times.

They could at least have picked a better song than some yobs shouting very loudly for 5 minutes

I actually prefer Joe's song.

Quote from J@tko :

They could at least have picked a better song than some yobs shouting very loudly for 5 minutes

I actually prefer Joe's song.

You're whats wrong with this world.

Coming from you.

I knew you were a fan of the Jonas Brothers Jack, but surely you don't love every girly boy out there... Lily Savage too?

As I said somewhere before (either in this thread or on another forum), I can think of a dozen other bands I'd rather hear at number one. I haven't heard either the RATM or the XFucton entry, but I'm sure they'll both be pretty much more of the same of what both have been doing for the last few years.

It's not about music snobbery, it's about making a point. That was the wrong band to choose when it comes to using the system to make everyone behave the same way.

So the campaign stopped a manufactured pop star from getting his number one. And instead the noble campaign manufactured a hit from a group which would otherwise have never seen the charts. Am I the only one in the world seeing the irony in choosing that particular band to perform this experiment?

Question is - who started it? Was it just a really good PR move by someone working for the band? Wouldn't surprise me. I bet ticket sales are up too.

I suppose the song was chosen becaise its the complete opposite of a pop song, angry, confrontational, politically charged.

Nobody is trying to make a point though, its not some kind of noble cause.

A lot of people (including quite a few of those taking part) don't seem to understand that its just for fun.

Quote from Dajmin :

But what did that actually accomplish?

Getting a song that would cause Lulz when it was played on the radio, and when the list of Xmas No.1s is read in years to come. That's all it accomplished, all it was intended to accomplish and I for one am proud I put my 79p in.

Music should be about fun anyway. It's fun to sing, fun to dance, fun to play guitar on stage. I listen to Rage Against the Machine and enjoy some good riffs and a kick-arse rhythm section - couldn't give a shit what the words say, as long as it makes a nice melody.

Edit: This campaign was worth it purely for getting RATM to play the unedited version of the song on Radio 5 Live on the breakfast show.

Music is all about emotion. So as long as you feel something when a song plays it's all good. I guess the lyrics probably don't matter when they're so consistently deep and complex as the RATM one

And there's me worrying about what my words say. Holy crap all I need to do is make them low in the mix and shout them. Then it doesn't matter because nobody will hear them or understand them!

You clearly don't know why the song was written and what the lyrics actually mean.


But the Climb written by DISNEY must be emotional... hmmm... yes...

Quote from Dajmin :

Music is all about emotion. So as long as you feel something when a song plays it's all good. I guess the lyrics probably don't matter when they're so consistently deep and complex as the RATM one

Oh come on, "**** you I wont do what you tell me", thats so deep. :doh:

There is a time and a place for appreciating the meanings of songs, but sometimes music is just for fun, sorry but some of us have to have fun sometimes, we can't sit around all the time being dead serious and contemplating the deep meanings and symbolism of every song we hear.

Everybody is different when it comes to music I guess though. Some like the emotive context or the 'message' as it were, some like the music, some like the sound of the voice etc.

When I write songs the lyrics are generally something of an afterthought, something to get the song finished whereas to you your heart and soul is probably poured into them. Trust me, I will (probably) buy your album when it's finished and come back and tell you the music's great and that maybe you have a good voice, but I'll never mention the lyrics.

A good song will still be a good song regardless of the lyrics. A good song with good lyrics can become an amazing song, but a bad song with good lyrics is still a bad song.

If that makes sense. As I said before, if you're only in it for 'the message' you may as well just listen to recordings of sociology lectures

Good article by CHarlie Brooker (despite being in a Guardian)

http://www.guardian.co.uk/comm ... -rage-against-the-machine

RATM have addressed many times the issue of being a anti-capitalist band yet being signed to a massive company. While there is an inherent hypocrisy how on earth can they spread their message to all corners of the world without Sony? That's the justification. WHile I agree their message, for the most part, isn't MY thing the fact they HAVE one is what makes them so friggin' good. I saw them when I was about 14 and the gig will be inprinted in my mind forvever... they are certainly not phoneys and blow away 99% of the shitty bands we have to endure nowadays.

This campaign was a simple thing. Let;s not over complicate it. People were just fed up of X Factor and wanted to make a point. Nothing more nothing less. RATM are the most famous protest band in the world and KITN is a perfect song to go with the campaign. Yes the real message of the song is lost, but many media articles have addressed the true meaning of the song, so in a way the message is getting out.

WHat is more interesting though is how quickly people have tried to politicise this. On the FB pages people want to make it a new 'socialist revolution' (I shudder). THey are kinda missing the point and the group has quickly divided. United we stand, divided we fall.