You may use XInputPlus software to get separate throttle and brake. It also has FF emulation, but it's probably just FF force translated into vibration intensity, so it will be different from vibration effects created by some other driving games (on gear changes, wheel slip etc.). Another useful feature is that it allows to set a deadzone for a stick used for steering.

It sure would be nice to celebrate 20 years of Live for Speed by browsing some new screenshots from the development version.
https://en.lfsmanual.net/wiki/Version_History#0.04k

I would like to see features allowing for more realistic mods, including stuff that was described in Scawen's plans many years ago: more general suspension geometry to achieve anti-dive and anti-squat effects and limited setup system. In addition to that, more suspension types, especially rigid axle.
I also think that configurations are abused now, probably because of their limitations. For example, there are mods where adding a roll cage doesn't change total mass or adding wings does not change aerodynamic properties in itself, only as a result of changing wing angles.

You may want to use XInputPlus if you need a steering deadzone or separate throttle and brake.
https://www.lfs.net/forum/post/1978019#post1978019

Is AI driving on rallycross tracks always disabled for car mods? Maybe there is a chance it could work acceptably for lower power cars.
I don't know what is the rule for standard LFS cars regarding this. Is it based on tyre availability and power-to-weight ratio? Or is it just hardcoded after some experiments?

Quote from RE Amemiya :

Rear trailing arm is essentially a solid axle.

Assuming flat road surface, with a solid axle the only camber (relative to road) change you get is from tyre deflection. With trailing arm there is camber change from suspension deflection (body roll), therefore it may be much bigger. FWIR camber thrust (change in lateral tyre force) is modelled in LFS tyres, so I think the handling with trailing arm is different from how real solid axle would behave.

Quote from leillo1975 :

Cavallo 570S en Kyoto Ring GP Long (Linux/Wine)

Nice to see someone using LFS on Linux. Do you use LFS on Wine with DXVK?

For me it stopped working correctly with standard Wine (stable, 6.0.2) during current test patches (probably with the changes to car shaders). It works with Proton (Steam), though. I haven't tried standard Wine with DXVK applied manually yet.

Quote from Flame CZE :

I'm also struggling to find a good picture of the suspension geometry - I oly approximated it according to some reference photos and the 3D model, but it may be totally wrong .

I don't know if you could infer anything reasonable from this kind of instructions and photos of model parts with a ruler.
https://www.super-hobby.co.uk/products/Lancia-Stratos-1977-Monte-Carlo.html
These models are probably not very accurate, but you could cross-check the data using models from two or more manufacturers. They have many photos like these on that site.

Quote from Scawen :

I'm fairly interested in the possibility of adding a dirt area to the layout square, as a selectable configuration for an incompatible test patch. But that's about it really. I'm also considering the idea of a walled 1km square area.

I'm only interested in one or two small changes to layout square, where a small change can allow a lot of possibilities.

Considering maximising the possibilities, it would be good to have both tarmac and dirt available in a single configuration. Layouts with transitions between surfaces could be built more easily then, without for example the need to construct paved parts from concrete slabs on a dirt-only area.
For more realism and to make things interesting, there could also be areas on the outskirts with procedurally generated bumpy tarmac and bumpy dirt, and maybe even some larger scale undulations on dirt.

Now i think "the last things on the list" might include the (in)famous new tyre physics. If I remember correctly from old comments, the possibility of a version with new graphics and current (old) physics was not ruled out completely, only something best avoided if possible.

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Based on hints scattered through Scawen's posts from last three months and May progress report, I'm now really confused about what it is that's going to be released. I guess that's part of the plan too.

There is something wrong with your conversion from hex to float. I tried to convert diagonal values with this https://www.scadacore.com/tools/programming-calculators/online-hex-converter/ (Float - Little Endian) and the results are: 550.707764 2035.76721 2330.021

Was there any intended change between U and U11 (and later) that may explain 'replay OOS error' for an SPR with XFG and layout objects?

It's interesting to read about some details of LFS multiplayer implementation, the interaction of network communication and simulation of remote cars, especially.
Does LFS extrapolate the steering inputs of remote cars (for simulation, not visuals)? Or does it only use constant steering inputs from the last network packet for a given car?

Last edited by w126, Tue 12 Jan 2021, 09:21.

Please consider allowing co-drivers (with seats) in GTR cars. We could pretend they are rally cars and this wouldn't be totally unrealistic. For example, XF GTR is quite similar to 2-litre kit cars from late 90s and more powerful GTR cars may be thought of as part of R-GT group (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Group_R-GT).

Quote from nikopdr :

does this help?

It's probably not that. The question was about contact points, that is how the game checks if a given wheel touches the road or other objects, and at which point(s). There are probably only 2 contact points per wheel.
https://youtu.be/A3Ue0w6b33A?t=70

RAF format is probably better for this. It has 100 steps per second, suspension travel, wheel rotation speeds, steering angle etc.

Quote from Big Daddy :

Well, I would say no. This kind of shadow is actually also visible in real life. You will notice it when sun sets in the evening or sun rises in the morning. The shadows are sharp then. During the day, the light scatters in the sky and produces the shadows we are mostly used of: Indirect shadows.

Yes, I know there are both direct and indirect (ambient) shadows on the screenshot that I posted. What I meant is that the shape of the indirect shadow is strange, like there were holes in it around the wheels. The parts that may be considered indirect shadows from only the wheels (?) are too narrow and on the outside. BTW, the shapes of indirect shadows are probably not changed from the current public version.

I know it's not a test patch thread yet , but don't you think these shadows below and around the wheels look strange?

It seems on https://www.lfs.net/screenshots there are a few new images from Blackwood that were not shown in the report.

Car shadows are not affected by atmospheric fog. They look a bit strange from a large distance, but I don't know if it's a bug or is as intended for this patch. The quote below might suggest the latter.

Quote from Scawen :

Ambient (non-direct) shadow darkness now depends on distance

Quote from pantiainen :

Is there an option that in TVDirector you could have the names on top of the cars while using the software?

Probably not, because it switches LFS into Shift-F mode.
I played with this program months/years ago and was able to run it now. With LFS TV Director GUI you can switch the current car by clicking on the list and then the driver name is shown at the bottom in LFS - see the screenshot.

Even at low engine RPM, e.g. 2000 RPM, there will be only 3 physics simulation steps (0.01 s) per one crankshaft rotation, so there is not enough "fidelity" for pulsed engine torque.

For suspension we have Shift-L view, but maybe you meant something more advanced showing how the forces are transferred to car body etc. I vaguely remember some plans for suspension improvements being also mentioned a long time ago in connection with the tyre model.

EDIT: I have found the posts:
https://www.lfs.net/forum/post/1454942#post1454942
https://www.lfs.net/forum/post/1316543#post1316543

Last edited by w126, Wed 27 Apr 2016, 17:42.

Things that could help:

- ability to set deadzones inside LFS (this is not available in standard Windows drivers for xbox controllers for many/some (?) configurations),

- even stronger smoothing possible (in Misc options),

- settings for speed-sensitive steering (it seems it is part of what Forza does with controllers),

- maybe some standard steering configuration specifically for xbox controller, considering this https://www.lfs.net/forum/post/1906322#post1906322 .