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Quote from boothy :Come back once you've read the Civil Contingencies Act 2004...

Oh... my... god...
Quote from Civil Contingencies Act :(3) Emergency regulations may make provision of any kind that could be made by Act of Parliament or by the exercise of the Royal Prerogative; in particular, regulations may—

(a) confer a function on a Minister of the Crown, on the Scottish Ministers, on the National Assembly for Wales, on a Northern Ireland department, on a coordinator appointed under section 24 or on any other specified person (and a function conferred may, in particular, be—

(i) a power, or duty, to exercise a discretion;

(ii) a power to give directions or orders, whether written or oral);

(b) provide for or enable the requisition or confiscation of property (with or without compensation);

(c) provide for or enable the destruction of property, animal life or plant life (with or without compensation);

(d) prohibit, or enable the prohibition of, movement to or from a specified place;

(e) require, or enable the requirement of, movement to or from a specified place;

(f) prohibit, or enable the prohibition of, assemblies of specified kinds, at specified places or at specified times;

(g) prohibit, or enable the prohibition of, travel at specified times;

(h) prohibit, or enable the prohibition of, other specified activities;

We fought and dealt with the IRA for over 20 years. I can't believe the nation as a whole and the policital opposition is so ignorant or apathetic to think that suddenly we need this kind of Orwellian jurisdiction in government for some unspecified, unforseen, vaguely defined civil emergency.

@ Shaz - this has nothing to do with communism. Communism is an economic model, just like capitalism. Go back to school.
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Where on earth do you get those cars from to photograph?


Well I got my camera back from Sony this weekend, after it had been with them to correct the backfocus issue I had. So what have they done? Yay, they've ruined it! It now front focusses to such an extreme that it's pretty much useless. Grrr.
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Quote from 5haz :when we do start moving that way, I will start complaining.

Then start complaining. Do you really think you'd hear if people really do get carted off to Room 101?

Just in the news today, the environmental protestors arrested whilst at the primary school, planning their protest at the local power plant. Does that not seem just a little suspicious? How did the police know that they were there, planning? How did they know they needed 200+ cops to swoop on the place and arrest every single one of them? You can't just pull off that kind of operation when a neighbour at the school phones up and reports some activity there during the night. It's all been planned well in advance. The protestors have either been infiltrated or bugged by someone, somewhere. Again, they are being treated as terrorists.

I dunno about you, but I think of a terrorist as someone who is intent on blowing up bombs and killing people or destroying buildings. Not a bunch of environmental protestors. And yet the terrorism act is so vague that people get swept up in it all the time.

Quote from 5haz :No I just have a different opinion to you, is that so wrong?

Yes, because you don't have to be doing anything suspicious to get arrested under the Terrorism Act.

The old dude (Walter Wolfgang, 82 in 2005) at the Labour Party conference who stood up and started hecking, was arrested under the terrorism act.
Just in the same year, a woman was arrested as a terrorist for having the audacity to walk down a cycle path.
The environmental protests a couple of years ago where they lay down in front of fuel depots, were all arrested as terrorists.
More recently, yet another photographer was arrested for terrorism/security reasons and was entered onto the DNA database.

Quote from 5haz :Well, were the peaceful protestors the ones being confronted by riot police, or was the it majorityof them who were happier mindlessly smashing windows?

No, the majority of them were very peaceful. A handful of drunken thugs, egged on and surrounded by more photographers and media than protestors, smashed the windows of RBS. The vast majority of it was a peaceful procession that was pushed, beaten, and charged into a "kettle" hold around the Bank of England, out of which nobody was allowed for seven hours. And this isn't from the accounts of hippy tree huggers that probably want the water cannons so they can have a wash, this is complaints from freelance photographers and journalists that were hit and pushed into the crowd, and even a LibDem MP that was kept in the kettle and reported the crowd growing restless and tired, swimming in their own urine and being detained en masse without food, water, or rest.

I suppose you think that's all very reasonable, since they're all a bunch of murderous thugs that deserve a baton to the face and to stand in their own piss for the rest of the day?

Quote from 5haz :I'm sorry to hear I'm such a frightening indivdual, and maybe I should, I hear the weather and the exchange rates are good there!

Aside from your attempts to be flippant, have you actually read 1984 by George Orwell?

Quote from 5haz :What don't they want us to see?

Who is "us"? Do you or someone in your family work for the govt or civil service? I guess it's not you, since you proclaim to be "Sponging off government education benefits" whilst expecting Gordon Brown to make some jobs available for you. Worst thing is, you clearly feel no shame about the sponging thing, despite it being a national cancer. But since you like to be provided for, would you like the state to change your nappy too? Feed you? Watch you while you walk down the street, track you everywhere you drive?

Quote from 5haz :And seriously, it's not like everybody is being convicted as a terrorist, you have to be acting pretty suspiciously to get MI5 on your behind, I'm sure, they don't just arrest people for fun.

I think I've already disproved this.

Quote from 5haz :Every arrest requires 4 days worth of paper work, if I was a copper I would try and keep arrest to a minimum in that case.

But you're not a copper. In fact the more you say, the more you sound like you're just deliberately putting your head in the sand after saying "but the govt aren't doing anything wrong!".

Quote from 5haz :Then I shall change my mind, thats when I will start complaining

And how do you complain in a police state?

Quote from 5haz :I have no problem with them coming for the rapists and murderers, which they often do right now, do you?

Wait - protestors, photographers, walkers, dissidents, the political opposition, and motorists are all rapists and murderers? Why didn't you say so earlier? It all makes so much sense now!

Stop being so narrow minded.

Quote from 5haz :Why don't you all vote Conservative or Lib Dem at the next general election then? (that is if Brown hasn't passed an Enabling Act banning all opposition parties by then, mwhaha :razz.

Of course I will vote for one of them. I wasn't retarded enough to vote for Labour last time, and I'm not retarded enough this time.

Quote from 5haz :For god's sake, why not just enjoy the good things in life every so often, instead of always worrying andcomplaining about all the bad things in life that the doom and gloom media force feed you?

I do. Doesn't mean I have to pretend that everything is hunky dory though when in fact every year more bills are passed that restrict or remove our civil liberties. As you're not bothered about your liberties (you've already said you have no objection to being watched and monitored at the govts whim since you have nothing to hide) then at least you have no grounds for complaint when one day, you find yourself being stopped and arrested for a harmless everyday activity.
Quote from 5haz :I'm very sorry to bother you Mr expert, interesting how you bang on about how all our freedoms are being eroded blah blah blah, but you think that someone shouldn't express their views or be listened to on an internet forum just because they happen to be 16 years old?

Given your inability to respond to any of the specific points I've raised, and instead just reply with "well everything's fine for me and I don't think people are getting locked up for nothing!", then I'd say he's well within reason to raise the issue of your age. After all, you're not old enough to vote for another two years.

I suppose for people of your age, you have no real specific memory of anything other than Tony Blair and Gordon Brown. You only know NuLab, and their interfering, do-gooding, nannying, surveillance-obsessed, using-terrorism-as-fear ways.

Quote from 5haz :did you vote in the last general election? Did you vote Labour? If so, then it's your own fault we have to put up with such a mean government that shoots your kids and throws you all in work camps (some people would have you believe anyway)

Yes, and no, respectively. And perhaps you could stop with the stupid, melodramatic exaggerations about shooting kids and labour camps? They're not doing you any favours, imo.

Quote from 5haz :I am unaware of changes in my civil liberties? Well, last wednesday I had the right to vote when I am 18, today, I still have the same rights, doesn't sound like much of a change to me.

Do you really think your civil liberties start and end at your right to vote, or are you just being deliberately obtuse again?

Quote from 5haz :...how Mr Brown has taken away my freedoms when he hasn't really.

Well, Jacqui Smith actually, but let's not split hairs.
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Absolute quality.
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Quote from Becky Rose :This thread is nothing without a tip of the hat to Osella, who's marketting pitch to sponsors was:

"Your logo will get seen on TV at the start, when we're lapped, and when the car retires".

And it worked really well for them in 1990...
http://www.fijen.net/f1/teams/osella/image9.htm

My favourite teams from eras gone by are Lotus and Tyrell. They are the ones that are reknowned for their innovation, invention, and sometimes plain whackiness.
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Quote from Jakg :how come they are allowed to take pictures of me, yet i'm not allowed to take pictures of what is essentially a civilian in a fancy uniform?

Because the government has passed a law that restricts the photographing of the police service.
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Quote from 5haz :Hahaha, the problem in ths country is that the police aren't well equipped or trained enough, not overly powerful. Seriously; what do they have? A can of Mace, a baton and an important looking name badge, hardly useful against some armed robbers, yeah, they can always call armed police in, but they take time to arrive, by which time its probrably too late. And so the police are restricted to going after pathetic petty criminals just to make it look like they're doing something, or panic and fill innocent people full of lead on a tube train.

When I start talking about the power of the police and you start talking about their weapons and firearms, then I fear we're not so much on the same page, but in different parts of the library. You're in the fiction end, hehe

I'm talking about the authority of the police. Their liberty and freedom to stop you or I going about our daily activities at nothing more than a whim or rediculously easily-achieved or unproveable suspicion. Their willingness to arrest, and confiscate/tamper with the property of, political opposition (already happened). Their ability to restrain or subdue people, whether they be protestors in the street or jailing somebody against whom anti-terrorism powers have been used without moral justification (already happens, and the Terrorism Acts are so vague in definition that virtually anything can be, and is, classed as terrorism).

Quote from 5haz :And as for the whole London Protest thing, smashing into the Bank of England is not a peaceful protest, and seeing as the Bank of England is currently trying to sort out the recession for us all, rather stupid too.

Where did I say I was referencing the recent G20 protests? My memory lasts longer than two weeks. But for the record, the "climate change camp" with the tents pitched in the road was entirely peaceful. I don't agree with what they say and think they're a bunch of liberal pansy hippy tree huggers that should get the **** off the main road, but I agree with their right to protest peacefully without any hint of threat or aggressiveness, and not be charged by a battalion of police in full riot gear.

What happens when it's something you feel so strongly about that you wish to protest to a seemingly deaf government? Do you understand what it means, what the difference is between being able to walk the streets of your own country as a free man and protest peacefully about whatever you want, and not be confronted by a shield and baton?

Quote from 5haz :I bet you 80% of those who protested in London didn't really know or give a shyte about what they were protesting about, they just wanted to have a jolly good fight.

And from which esteemed source did you derive such a figure?

Quote from 5haz :Most of these things I don't mind about, because I have nothing to hide

Your attitude scares me. I think you should move to Zimbabwe. You'll like it there.
Quote from 5haz :when people get angry about being watched I often wonder what sinister things they are trying to hide from the govt.

Maybe people just don't like to be watched all the time? Maybe people that do nothing wrong like to be free, without interference, without surveillance?
Quote from 5haz :And you really have to be doing some suspicious things to be classed as a terrorist!

I don't mean to be rude, but are you being facetious, or just obtuse?

Quote from 5haz :I don't mind the govt watching me, so long as they only lock me up if I do something naughty, if they just leave me be as a law abiding citizen, then I have no problem

And what happens when the law changes? What happens if the government changes and becomes "naughty" themselves?

Quote from 5haz :When people start getting locked up for suspicious reasons, then I will change my mind.

"They came first for the Communists,
and I didn't speak up because I wasn't a Communist.

Then they came for the Jews,
and I didn't speak up because I wasn't a Jew.

Then they came for the trade unionists,
and I didn't speak up because I wasn't a trade unionist.

Then they came for the Catholics,
and I didnt speak up because I was a Protestant.

Then they came for me,
And by that time no one was left to speak up."

Martin Niemöller, c. 1946
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Quote from Mackie The Staggie :Ok...so as part of the school curriculum, kids will instead of being locked in the classroom learning some equation, that lets be honest your unlikely to come across again, the will instead get some hands on experience in the real world.......and this is a bad idea how now?

Because it is not the job of the state to do this. How much simpler can it be?

Quote from Mackie The Staggie :Honestly we are only a Daily Mail headline and a reference to an Orwell book before we all break down in mass hysteria, break out the pitch forks.....hunt down anyone who may be in agreement with the government, and therefore by association AGAINST OUR FREE WILL AND DEMOCRACY and kill them all by hanging them up on the lamp posts for all nay-sayers to see and be scared of.

I don't read the Daily Mail. I have read Nineteen Eighty-Four, but where you see un-neccessary mass hysteria, I see sheer, abject apathy amongst a populace more interested in the talentless twats on Britain's Got Talent than anything that actually affects their lives and future. Apathy that will, if it continues, lead us down a very narrow, very dark road.

I don't want ID cards. I don't want a 50mph national speed limit with GPS tracking on my car to control my speed (and one day, to control my movement). I dont want to be on a database when I go on holiday. I don't want to pay for Jacqui Smith's porn movies or bathplugs, let alone her colleagues second or third homes. I don't want to be hassled or imprisoned by an overly powerful police force that can lock me up for 42 days without trial. I don't want to be arrested for choosing to protest peacefully outside the Houses of Parliament. I don't want to be classed as a terrorist by the infinitely powerful Terrorism Act 2000. I don't want to be snooped on by council staff monitoring CCTV, or have orders barked at me by "talking" CCTV by a faceless authority. I don't want to be arrested because I carry a camera with a long lens, or because I take a photo of the police. I don't want my emails and phonecalls routinely logged. If I commit a crime, I don't want a trial without a jury. I don't want to be filmed and fined for retuning the radio while I drive. I don't want my DNA to be kept on a database when I have neither committed or been charged for a crime.

Do you?
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Quote from duke_toaster :http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/7995652.stm

How can voluntary work be mandatory? Bit of double think there, Gordo ...

Ah, but in Newspeak I think you'll find it actually never was voluntary. It's always been mandatory. You are mistaken.

In other news, Oceania continues the war against Eurasia.
Quote from gezmoor :So.... you think it's a bad idea to teach our kids the concept of social responsibility and the consequences of potential bad behaviour?

Well, pretty much proves how much it's needed then doesn't it ??

If you don't agree with these types of schemes please pray tell what YOU would do to try and instill a sense of community good will in the kids of today, that is all to obviously missing from a very large proportion of them???

People are very quick to dismiss such things but then never put up any (let alone viable) alternatives in my experience.

No, I don't think it's a bad idea to teach kids the concept of social responsibility and the consequences of potential bad behaviour. I think it's a terrible idea for the government to teach kids the concept of social responsibility and the consequences of potential bad behaviour.

That's the parents' job. Enough of the god damn parasitic interfering ZaNuLab nanny state.
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Holy crap - just watched the video on the BBC site, and it's not even being adminstered by a cop in any shape or form. It's a friggin PCSO snooping on everyone and dishing out fines for straightening your hair while at the wheel!

Speed cameras often get attacked and torched. How funny it would be if someone came up and set fire to one of these things while it was doing it's filming duties.

Odd that we're not allowed to photograph the police, yet they're allowed to snoop on us from half a mile away claiming that "if we're not commiting any offences, they won't look". Doesn't that work both ways?

I suppose it's much cheaper to hire a shit car and fit it with a camera on a mast and get a fat pretend-cop to sit in it and dish out arbitrary fines, than it is to train a couple of traffic bobbies and purchase & equip a Volvo T5 and then fuel it to go out and, oh, y'know, police the ****ing traffic properly. Grrrrr.
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Quote from S14 DRIFT :So what, I'm going to get 3 points and a £60 for scratching my hair while driving?

Yup. Or changing the radio station. And no doubt there'll be no process of establishing crime, such as a traffic cop following you in an unmarked car to capture beyond all reasonable doubt whether you are in sufficient control of your car or not. It'll be some bored jobsworth reviewing footage, and if you even look distracted (regardless of whether you actually are or not) then I'd hedge my bets on being issued with a fine.

For a change, this isn't our criminally inept, corrupt, power-hungry, surveillance-obsessed government at work. It's a regional police force.

Guess we need to hang them in the revolution too.
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Quote from Michael Denham :Please excuse the shoddy panorama, haha



I'm moving to Maple Ridge.
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Quote from mrodgers :Nice pans, Strobe. Wondering, do you crop for the composition or are you getting the shot as is? I've done limited panning attempts but I find it quite difficult to leave room in front of the vehicle/subject to be moving to. Mine end up being centered so I have to zoom back and crop for composition. It doesn't help that I don't have autofocus tracking or multiple focus points to choose my point either.

Cheers. The shots are cropped, but not dramatically or so much that it drastically alters the composition. Usually just to eliminate unsightly parts of the background, horizons, etc, or create or remove symmetry. I'm from the school of thought that cropping and PPing in general should be used to refine or enhance an image, not transform it.

I agree it is very difficult to leave space for the subject to move into the frame. The shooting was compromised by my location, where besides coming partially towards me, the bikes were also accelerating through 100~110mph, meaning you can't do a smooth steady sweep to pan it, but instead have to rapidly accelerate as you track through. (I would've moved, but I was also wearing an orange jump suit and waving the odd flag, so had to stay put ). Nonetheless I was pretty happy with some of the results, as it was only my second time trying proper panning shots of moving vehicles. The first time was the LFS karting meet last year, where the subjects weren't quite as difficult to track.

The focus points on the 40D I borrowed weren't ideally located so I just stuck with the centre point and tried to keep it over the front wheel. The 70-200 is an amazingly fast focussing lens but I often found myself wanting the extra reach of a 300, despite the 1.6 crop factor of the sensor.
Quote from DeadWolfBones :I've been eyeing that Tamron 17-50, STROBE. But I hardly use my kit lens as it is (and the Pentax one is a damn good one for a kit). I just seem to be gravitating toward primes more and more.

The Tammy 17-50 is lovely. I often find myself wanting a bit more reach on the long end, but physics dictates the need to be realistic - if it was a 17-70/2.8, the physical characteristics of the lens would be somewhat different, as would the price tag. But the image quality is superb at all apertures, even the widest ones.
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Some really helpful replies you're getting here Bladey. How can you tell that lfsforum is largely populated by kids who have never contributed towards, let alone paid for and run their own car?

For the BMW you posted, all I would mention is that I'm sure the 3-series compacts do not share the same suspension as the normal 3-series. The Compact is much inferior wrt the drive and handling, or so I remember reading at the time. If you want a rear drive Beemer, I'd suggest trying to stretch the budget to a conventional 3-series.

High insurance groups aren't so bad. My car is group 13 and the costs have plummeted as I get older, and I'm still in my twenties. Recently I got a quote for a group 19 car (y'know, just for when I win the lottery ) and was pleasantly surprised that it came in at well under four figures.
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Some recent efforts of mine:

Bamburgh Castle

Sony A700, Tamron 17-50/2.8 @ 17mm, f/16, 1/2s


Dunstanburgh Castle

Sony A700, Tamron 17-50/2.8 @ 17mm, f/11, 1/40s


Racing at Croft Circuit

Canon 40D, 70-200/4 L USM @ 113mm, f/5.6, 1/320s


Canon 40D, 70-200/4 L USM @ 200mm, f/4.5, 1/800s


Canon 40D, 70-200/4 L USM @ 188mm, f/6.3, 1/320s

Really needed a monopod for the tracking/panning shots, as all the pros were using. That'll be my next purchase, then.
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Quote from The Moose :Here...
http://www.lfsforum.net/showthread.php?p=1112312#post1112312

Awesome!

I've purposely been avoiding any media coverage of the funeral of this fat, racist, ignorant cow; although it's been difficult such is the extent of the coverage. The whole life of her and her family has been nothing but a celebration of stupidity and inadequacy, and I only hope that once this dies down, I never have to hear her name again. Some people say that she's not all bad, she's doing all this to raise money for her boys. I say if she was in any way decent, she'd be raising/giving millions for cancer charities. Two kids do not need millions of pounds to support them. They could try getting a job, although I gather that doesn't run in the family.
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I remember reading about his blue VXR, and now he has a white VXR Nurburgring.

And he still has an extreme case of obsessive compulsive disorder.

Rinsing his car with bottled Evian water? What a ****ing nobjockey.

It was quite interesting watching the work of the various skilled craftsmen coming together, but all the crap about how many times he washed and waxed it just seemed like a competition to see how many chemicals you could flush into the ground.

I bet he's really annoying to have as a neighbour. Impossible to drive out your street each day without wading through the flood caused by him constantly washing his car with several thousand litres of water.
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Quote from DevilDare :Its lovely to see how everyone all of a sudden starts to support "Honda" Brawn GP because they are quick. Just shows that people support teams not because they like them but because they can go around "yay i support a team thats quick!"

Utter rubbish.

I'll be urging on the BrawnGP cars this season, but not so I can say "yay I support a team thats [sic] quick!".

I'll be supporting them for the same reason I support Williams. Independence. Racing.

Some of the other teams are there just to make their corporate masters look better. They're there to provide a halo effect for other brands in the same corporate empire. Williams and Brawn are just there to race.
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Terrorism doesn't frighten me.

I'm more frightened by our government using terrorism to hide their real intent than I am of any so-called terrorists.
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Nice one. Classic tune, and great video.

I was about to post that the video wasn't as good as the likes of Alex Gaudino's Destination Calabria, but then realised that the video is actually a spoof/rip-off of Destination Calabria, Benny Benassi's Satisfaction, and a couple of others that I can't think of the names of.

Quote from zeugnimod :It also happens to be an infinite times better song than the one in the OP.

Oh come on. I need to clean my ears with bleach after listening to the first ten seconds of your link.
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Quote from thisnameistaken :...the death penalty for killing anyone under the age of 16, life for killing anyone who'd ever been a member of the armed forces, a minimum of 20 years for killing anybody with nice tits...

...and £100,000 for killing a... ...Labour minister.

Can't see the problem in that.

In fact maybe it should be half a million for wiping out some of the parasitic, power-hungry NuLab scum.
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Like many others have said, I don't think iRacing itself "killed" off LFS.

LFS isn't dead. But my interest in it is on a life support machine. Steadily beeping and breathing away, until I decide to pull the plug - literally - the transformer for my Logitech DFP. It sits, unplugged from USB on the floor, wondering what will come first. A reason to plug it back in, or the desire to tidy it away back into it's box in the cupboard?

I suspect iRacing has taken a few key, long-term, veteran racers from LFS. More casual racers, such as myself - well I got bored of the same old stuff. I got bored of going round the same corners again and again. I got bored of struggling to find populated race servers running something other than GTR@AS3 or FOX@BL1 - the CTRA was the only saviour with it's enforced track changes, but now that is gone. Even cruise servers provide an amusing distraction when too drunk or bored to concentrate on racing properly, but ultimately you get tired of playing with kids.

Three or four years ago when S2 was released, it felt like I was racing amongst adults and fellow racing enthusiasts that generally just wanted a good clean scrap on the track. As LFS has grown, that feeling has been diluted to the extreme and public, un-adminned servers can be a lottery. Although I have to admit that I can't actually remember when I last raced online without checking LFSW, so that may have changed in the intervening months.

LFS has suffered from hard-core veteran racers leaving for iRacing. LFS has suffered from it's own success and accessibility, in attracting too many kids that have no car driving experience and struggle to learn mature racecraft. LFS has suffered (controversial one here) from too many cruisers which take it away from the thing that made it a success in the first place: plain & simple public pick-up racing. And most of all, the lack of new features and new environments has made it grow stale for me. It's not about expecting updates for free, LFS is already fantastic value. I'd happily fork out a tenner or £15 for an extra couple of tracks and cars, call it S2½ if you like. But I can't help but feel that LFS needs a shot in the arm if it's going to lead the way once again.
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Quote from gezmoor :Seems like a pretty severe punishment to me for what could have been just a momentary loss of concentration.

Huh? "Just" a momentary loss of concentration? Failing to spot slowing and stopped traffic ahead whilst in control of an HGV and ploughing into it due to excessive speed/being too close is "just" a momentary loss of concentration?

Nah.

Negligence on a serious scale, and I'd go so far as to say that 3 years is a joke.
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Quote from SabersKunk :Here

Rofl! What a brilliant site!

*bookmarks*
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