Any thread with the title containing "LFS S3" should be automatically deleted right after it is posted. Perhaps Victor can write a quick script to act as a filter, just to save OPs from the massive flaming that follows.
The GeForce 9800GTX+ (note the +) and the ATI Radeon 4850 are about the same, get either one and you won't be disappointed.
Well I don't know the exact number, but it's somewhere around 150W-200W max. I run a 550W power supply and it's more than enough, I'm thinking that 450W is probably the minimum you can have. When I was buying my power supply all I looked for was one which had two 6pin PCIe power connectors and an 8pin motherboard power connector, and that's when I found my Cooler Master Real Power Pro 550W power supply, which is excellent btw, I fully recommend it.
Oh really? I don't bullshit. Do a search for "Nvidia" in the Technical Assistance forum and you'll see what I mean.
http://www.lfsforum.net/showth ... 9503&highlight=nvidia
Sorry, I have to sink your ship now.
Iceberg dead ahead!
The Radeon 4550 is your best option right now (sorry I'm known to be an "ATI nerd" around here, ahem TVE). Make sure it has GDDR3 memory not GDDR2. Also, don't worry about power requirements though with low profile cards, they don't consume more than 25W so you should be fine.
As a side note I have that 2400XT low profile at work, but I can't play games at work so I can't say anything about it's performance.
But it is useful because I can run 2 monitors on it, not like the crappy onboard Intel one.
As a side note I have that 2400XT low profile at work, but I can't play games at work so I can't say anything about it's performance.
But it is useful because I can run 2 monitors on it, not like the crappy onboard Intel one.
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Sometimes I really do wonder how long this card will last if it idles at 78 C!
But it hasn't caused any problems for me yet, and when I game it doesn't heat up much more than that, I believe it's up to 83 C when I run games. The only reason it stays so hot is because the fan spins really slowly, it's usually around 900 RPM. This was done to reduce noise. The driver lets you control the fan speed manually if you wish. If you really want you can run the fan at the full speed of 4700 RPM and the temperature falls down to 35 C in less than a minute. But it's very loud at that speed.
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You had one of the first Radeons? Well no wonder you think they're crap, of course they weren't as good when they first came out, but if you're so smart you should know that the current generation ATI cards are as good, if not better, than Nvidia's cards. The drivers are also way better than they were when they first came out 8 years ago, probably also better than Nvidia's drivers. I hear all kinds of talk about this Nvidia driver is better than that Nvidia driver. I never hear that with ATI drivers, it's always just "use the latest driver", and it works for everyone.
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Try to avoid the iceberg dadge.
You had one of the first Radeons? Well no wonder you think they're crap, of course they weren't as good when they first came out, but if you're so smart you should know that the current generation ATI cards are as good, if not better, than Nvidia's cards. The drivers are also way better than they were when they first came out 8 years ago, probably also better than Nvidia's drivers. I hear all kinds of talk about this Nvidia driver is better than that Nvidia driver. I never hear that with ATI drivers, it's always just "use the latest driver", and it works for everyone.
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Try to avoid the iceberg dadge.
If they have the same GPU then you can compare the RAM and speeds directly. For example, the Radeon 4870 1024 MB edition is better than the 512 MB edition purely because it has more RAM. If two cards don't have the same GPU then you can't compare them directly, you can only compare them through benchmarks.
You've obviously never used ATI Catalyst drivers, they are very good and are always being improved, at least that's my opinion. I would blame the Radeon 3870X2's failures on the design of the card as the bridge connecting the two GPUs was very slow, and in general the 3870 chip was a rushed design and not very efficient. But there's no way to know this by looking at the specs. About your remark about RAM, I would do the opposite of what you just said, I would get faster memory rather than more memory, such as 512 MB GDDR5 is far better than 2048 MB GDDR3. Also, 256 MB GDDR3 is much faster than 512 MB GDDR2, and you can see this in various (outdated) benchmarks.
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Knock it off dadge, comparing MHz or MB of RAM between different video cards will not give you conclusive results. It all depends on how the video card USES those resources, not HOW MUCH resources it has to work with. If you remember, the Radeon 3870X2 was an absolute powerhouse on paper, yet in had mediocre performance. How do you explain that? It had higher clock speeds than the GeForce 8800 but it couldn't outperform it??? Specs aren't everything, there is A HELL OF A LOT of other stuff under the hood of GPUs which cannot be included in the specs because it cannot be measured and the only real way to compare 2 video cards is to run the same exact test on both of them and analyze the results. Specs are just there to persuade potential buyers, who have no idea what those numbers actually mean, into buying the product.
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Wrong. Eating McDonalds.
I have a Sapphire Radeon 4870 512 MB and it plays all my games quite well. The one you're looking at is the newer 1GB one and it's even faster than mine thanks to the increased memory size. I've had no problems with it, it worked fine out of the box, regular driver updates have sped it up a tad, it's quiet but it's hot (idles at 78 C lol), and it's a very good card. Also, if you will be using the HDMI-out this card is very good because it can carry sound through HDMI, which is a bug plus. Buy from Sapphire if you can, I wouldn't trust other companies. Whatever you buy, buy it now before prices go up thanks to this damn recession. Prices have already gone up for computer parts here in Canada, by like $20.
Maybe your birthday is not set correctly on one of the LFS web sites. I got this email a few times already, and in a way it does make you feel good inside. Thanks devs.
LOL Kev as moderator for a day? I can think of a few things that can happen:
1. He makes a subforum dedicated to himself, one which will be frequented mostly by Dustin.
2. He mistakes the "Ban" button for the "Quote" button several times (whoops!).
3. A few mysterious new Demo racers get promoted to Moderator status, namely thisnameisnottaken, thisnameisavailable, and thisisnotaname.
4. To try to extend his stay as moderator, he bribes the other moderators with a selection of material from the forum's underground PM porn trading ring, which he currently moderates
1. He makes a subforum dedicated to himself, one which will be frequented mostly by Dustin.
2. He mistakes the "Ban" button for the "Quote" button several times (whoops!).
3. A few mysterious new Demo racers get promoted to Moderator status, namely thisnameisnottaken, thisnameisavailable, and thisisnotaname.
4. To try to extend his stay as moderator, he bribes the other moderators with a selection of material from the forum's underground PM porn trading ring, which he currently moderates
Reading a bunch of specifications of a video card won't tell you how "good" it is, just as the clock speed of a cpu won't tell you how "good" it is. It will give you an idea, but you won't really know until you use it.
If you want an idea of how a piece of hardware stacks up against other ones you have to search the net for a review of it. All reviews have benchmarks which show exactly how that hardware performs. That's how you know what's good and what's not good. A bunch of numbers will not help if you don't understand what they represent!
If you want an idea of how a piece of hardware stacks up against other ones you have to search the net for a review of it. All reviews have benchmarks which show exactly how that hardware performs. That's how you know what's good and what's not good. A bunch of numbers will not help if you don't understand what they represent!
If it does then I should count for 8x ATI lol.
Can anybody make that picture 1900x1200 resolution? I mean properly, not by simply stretching it.
Even if the motherboard is rubbish, if it has a PCIe slot then it should support any modern card. I would be more worried about the power supply rather than the motherboard. Store-built computers usually have crappy PS, usually not more than 300W. So you might have to replace the power supply with a better one like 500W or so, but if the motherboard can run a Q6600 then it should be able to run a decent video card like the 9800GT.
This is on my "suggested improvements" list for LFS.
That's good to hear! One more thing though, formatting a hard drive doesn't necessarily mean the virus is gone, I'm speaking from personal experience. Run an antivirus on it right away.
Do you have the CD that came with your video card? Can you try those drivers? Are you sure you're using the right drivers? Does the driver support your video card? Is there another video card you can try?
http://www.newegg.com/Product/ ... aspx?Item=N82E16814102801
If you can afford it, get this one. It comes with an HDMI adapter which also carries sound over HDMI. This is the best card for $300. If it's a bit much, find the 512MB version, it's a bit cheaper but still an excellent card.
If you can afford it, get this one. It comes with an HDMI adapter which also carries sound over HDMI. This is the best card for $300. If it's a bit much, find the 512MB version, it's a bit cheaper but still an excellent card.
All you need a video card with 2 video outputs. Most video cards today have 2 outputs, in fact it's quite rare to find one with only a single output. When you have such a card, simply plug in each monitor to an output and fiddle with the your video card's control panel to get both screens to work. I recommend using the DVI (white) cables to connect them rather than the old blue VGA cables.
So your driver was causing the problem after all? That's why I never trust 3rd party drivers like Omega. 
Remember, ATI releases new drivers every month, so it would be a good idea to keep them up to date. Also, it sucks that you're using an AGP card, ATI have really screwed AGP users over for the past year or so. Thank god I got on the PCIe bandwagon cause I was tired of the problems with AGP drivers...
Remember, ATI releases new drivers every month, so it would be a good idea to keep them up to date. Also, it sucks that you're using an AGP card, ATI have really screwed AGP users over for the past year or so. Thank god I got on the PCIe bandwagon cause I was tired of the problems with AGP drivers...
Speaking of fuel, there have been stories on the news which claim that it's not a good idea to completely fill your tank because it "wastes fuel". Does this claim have any truth? My car has a 50 L fuel tank and I always put 50 L of fuel in it. I stop pumping when I can see fuel in the pipe, when it stops going down. Is this a good or bad idea?
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