Well, I believe one of the important matters with forced cockpit" is that we have to decide a defination about where the view should be i cockpit view.

Should the view be where the eyes are in the real world?
I don't believe so because when you are driving in the real world you are so focused on whats going on outside that you normally doesn't even see the steeringwheel unless you focus on it.


You should be able to join a "forced cockpit view" server as long as you have your view inside the car and on the drivers side. Then its up to each individual to decide where he/she whats the view. If they want it right above the steeringwheel, or at the current cockpit view setting.
Thats my opinion.

I'l join if I'm elected as leader.

This looks really cool, another reason for me to get a wii, guess it won't be long before you get games that uses this feature

Have anyone here tried this? Is it hard to do?

Quote from Riders Motion :

+1 For realism, as long as they don't remove the new feature Scawen implanted (the thing to adjust the driver's position inside of the car.

More than 75% of the community wants this, and I think it would be a good thing for realism.

I wish there was another option in that poll.

"Semi hardcore, custom view as long as its INSIDE the car, meaning no invisible cars or flying cams"

Quote from Gil07 :

How so? Cockpit view is definitely the most realistic available in LFS, because you are actually IN the car, like IRL

I didn't say that cockpitview isn't realistic, I meant that there are other cockpit views than the current one that are better and more realistic.
Because in the current one you got your steeringwheel on your desk, and then you sit in a position in the car that you get another steeringwheel in front of you.

When I drive a car and consentrate on my driving (IRL) I don't even see the steeringwheel in front of me because of my focus on whats going on outside.

I think it would have been more realistic if the view in the game were set up right above the steeringwheel or on the dashboard.
Or atleast so that everyone could ajust "cockpit view" a little bit to their own likings.


And don't give me that "well, you can see the steeringwheel in real life". Thats not the point, in real life I allso got over 180degrees of view to the sides without moving my head. I can't get that in any game without investing loads of money, and therefore I mean that the game must compensate on that in one way or another.

Quote from eRaptor :

Now, please do not confuse things!
An option to force drivers to use a designated view, is not a way to make LFS more realistic!

I agree, not everyone agrees that the current cockpit view is the most realistic one.

The clutch in LFS works good under race conditions, but as soon you do some heavy testing its broken. I tried to spin the wheels in the UF1 a little bit, and imo the clutch heated waaay to fast.

In the new car to, can't even do some donuts.

Quote from XCNuse :

Just searched around youtube for a while, I was curious too, and after searching so long i finally found a useful video that has someone ripping the wheel around so you can hear it.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v ... ifQRg&feature=related

pretty darn quiet if you ask me!

I've used a DFP before, and that rack and pinion is loud as all get out, but this thing seems to be the best out there, the G25 just keeps getting better and better in my eyes.

Sweet, was a good video in the "related videos" box

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v ... BzrVg&feature=related

Shows the difference even better, I'm think I'm going to use some money on this now

Though I think I will miss the buttons on the steering wheel, specially when I'm driving the fastest cars, lol.


Edit:
More
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v ... TTflY&feature=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v ... UwMZ8&feature=related

Specially in the last one you can hear the loudness (is that a word?) of the DFP, going through my bones, lol.

Quote from minage :

Sigh Sob!
I just bought a logitech wheel to enjoy this game

Quote from minage :

you're right but not everyone have money to buy it whenever they want.

Its kinda funny. You just bought an expensive steering wheel to enjoy a demo, but can't afford £24? Or even £12 for S1 where you get XRT and loads of other cars and tracks.

Well, I don't feel bad for you.
Enjoy the demo meanwhile and save some money.

My old trusted Driving force pro is getting old and I want something new.

One of the reasons I'm getting rid of the DFP is that it makes so damn much noise when I'm steering.
Sooo, I'm wondering how much noise G25 makes in comparison to DFP.

Anyone in here knows? This is important because the person that I'm sharing the student appartment with doesn't like the sound that the steering wheel makes.

Sweet Maria, Josef and Jesus, this is great.

Quote from schatten789 :

Its about what the people that buy the product like and the designers have to make the game how they want it or they will start to loose money and players.

Excactly. Thats why they change the game like this.
If the devs wanted to make money they would make a NFS lookalike with guns attached to the cars, THAT would draw the masses. This is a game for the small masses who want some kind of "extreme" realism.

Quote from Kuang :

Thow different it feels now - even though there have been no LX4 specific adjustments, it seems more solid and progressive with less snappiness and smoother handling.

Well, the patch have some physics improvements and changes in the engine inertia (or something like that) in all the cars, thats why.

On a side note. Could someone explain to me exactly which changes were made to the egnine? Me no understand.

I like that the game is getting more realistic, but I don't think we should make ut über realistic, like taking away the virtual mirror in the cars. Since it's impossible to have the same feeling and avarenes in LFS as in real life some things should not be removed or altered too much with in my opinion.

Though I am happy with everything in the new patch so far.

Quote from PLAYLIFE :

these are unsuitable - I can't pronounce them

Well, just say pie then.

Or he could use æ, ø, å. Or maybe even ó, á and é.

Can the mods just start to lock threads like these, getting annoying.

Quote from unseen :

*Bah, too old and slow

Never too old, but allways too slow

Quote from Bodhidharmazen :

I understand, the goal is REALISM.

Yet, the new patch should include two modes:

1) Simulation

2) Arcade

Thats like asking valve to make one noob version and one hardcore version of Counter Strike. Not going to happen.

Quote from dawesdust_12 :

Do you really want me to become so disinteresting and lose all my humour?

Didn't know you had any. hahahaha


Nah, it wasn't that funny, but it had to come
Just like this thread ... lol

I allways clear mine after physics updates.

Quote from djlilmike :

i only played it for 2 minutes and i hated it! OMG!

Switch Back To Patch X!

Great, I love people that listen to 2 seconds of a song and then decide that its crap and never listen to it again. I love them, they are so cute with their ignorance.

Quote from yaper :

I'm wondering how long new hotlaps will stay alive, as we are expecting car interiors update ASAP, which will not be compatybile with patch Y.

Well, they don't have to reset the hotlaps just because they update the physics, do they?

The hotlaps are only reset when it are made alterations in the game that make the cars go faster or behave otherwise.

Quote from Blackout :

Feels funny to read that people are so nervous, I can't really much feel a thing nowdays, sometimes in qualifying, but it has to be four wide in a big race before my heart starts to beat. Kinda shame really. I guess you get used to everything over time. Kind of reminds me to think about reasons for mistakes people make, and are blamed for.

But I do remember the good old days when my feet and hands were shaking, and heart was beating like mad when I was leading a race. And the first win, I was a nervous brakedown.

Oh, the good old demo days and the XRT with two pipes.

I second that, feel the same way. Specially about the two pipes

P.i.t?



edit: Why the hell does the forum change my upper letters to lower letter ones?