Maybee i wasn't, in talking about the needs of the manny, i meant the long awaited aero-patch, the thing about this aero bug is that it's hard to implement even with single precision it would use a HUGE amount of cpu power to compute the air fluiding the car(!s!) around.
I apologize for unclear talking, i didn't meant to make lfs "smaller" as it is right now ca.130Mb is really good in comparsion to other "racing" related programms.
Besides how long was the aero "bug" known by now?
Guess quite long.

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posted by Boris Lozac

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I really don't understand you man...

(you don't have to...)


If i understood corectly, you think that LFS is gona fail, and noone would play it because our needs are not fed???

Yes, in a way that the devs can't answer the urgent bugs and problems because of manpower.
And NO because the devs have a well grown community that won't flee in terror because of "incompleteness"
Anyway the longer you work with a certain programm, then in time you'd have some whishes to be fullfilled, and that will be quite hard if you're a threesome.

WTF? This is the only game that trully listens to the players/customers, and implements what they want, and what is the best.. I myself played a small role in one of the patches back in S1 days(suggested the buton that can skip to the next song playing )...
So, i really don't know what you are talking about..
Other part if again i understood corectly, is that LFS must go to the consoles, in order to suceed...??

NO, but it should open up to more programmers that can help finding solution for problems.
You know the saying that 4 eyes see more than 2, well think of more people working for LFS in order to support the devs in their quest to programm aerodynamic-fluid-computation in real time...
Anyway i don't know from where you got that console thing

I am surprised by your posts really...

Unique people, unique oppinions, if it's possible to discuss them in a normal manner, then the better...

all engines FULL REVERSE.
cause thats the way you'de be going when the car is accelerating normaly till top gear...

u-hu well i don't know the specs from the 360, but i doubt that one core would be faster than 3, since the limit of clock must have been reached.
Thats why we go parallel instead of faster.
Anyway, then what you think about the multicore of the ps3 ?

I read that a bunch (10) of ps3 clustered together could match one of the top500 supercomputers...

but it's a multicore ibm don't underestimate the power of parallel processing

(wasn't it the processor, that Apple was greedy about, but didn't got it, and now changed to intel because of that?)
i'm sure i read it at the "c't"

Last edited by micha1980de, Tue 31 Jan 2006, 22:50.

www.score.does.it

For a beginning...
Read the "Rules" section under "Gt-Challenge".
Anyway all the other leagues have rules too, but most of them are the same...




/edit hrm...
Kajojek(PL) finished 1st
AndroidXP finished 2nd
micha1980de finished 3rd hmpf...

Last edited by micha1980de, Tue 31 Jan 2006, 22:46.

post was magicaly doubled

wrong, gt1 for instance, wasn't that bad bad at car setting up.
motivation or not wats the purpose of developing a sim that noone would play anymore because the needs of the many wern't fed? (talking of tracks, general improvements...)
it's the impression i get when seeing "hyperactive's" huge list of improvements.

well, for "shelling" try to copy the helmet without the visor size it down 2% you get some real material "thickness" (didn't know how to say it otherwise) connect the corresponding vertices to sew your new helmet (inner/outer).

to get the "fluffy" helmet padding use some boolean ops like:

1. substract helmet from cube, use what it left from the inside of the helmet, throw the rest of the cube away.
2. C4d has a "magnetic" tool to manipulate more vertices/polygons at once to create smooth bumps.
3. use hypernurbs to let it look more natural.
4. Now substract helmet+head from cube you'll get what would be between these 2 objects.

sorry for lousy english but no translator could translate "Schnittmenge" to english, this word describes in my lang what would remain between helmet+head.

Quote from SamH :

How can you not come to this conclusion?


No it isn't complete. Yes, Scawen has said his next project is the physics. No, this has absolutely nothing to do with you being deliberately abbrasive and obstructive.

There's no need for you to undermine confidence in LFS by references to the physics engine. It's a work-in-progress. There is no attempt to deceive users, or fool them into thinking that the game physics are perfect by excluding anything "real", which is most definitely how your original post reads.

The explicit intention of the Devs is to create "THE BEST" online racing sim. I personally consider that they're totally on course, whether the physics are imperfect at this stage or not.

1. abbrasive? (sorry my translator can't find this word, and i don't know how to instruct google to translate it for me... (But in general, i think it wasn't nice)

2. you havn't answered to my question

3. if i'd intended to be "disturbing" (thought that was your last post concerning me...) you'd notice.

4. i stated my first post in a little /IRONIC manner.

What i need to pinpoint is none of your business, i thought this is a forum were you can post you opinion, to see you defend the devs work (wich i like too) makes me think about the word fanatic.
Meaning that if you make statements that don't "fit in" you'll get flamed...
(not accepting criticism)
Have the devs said that "the best", or is it your conclusion?

Quote from SamH :

I do. His implication is that LFS physics would be uncovered as being poor. It was a nonsense post because, as has rightly been pointed out many times over, the cars (with 2 exceptions) are fictional, as are all of the tracks. So his post can't be based on any meaningful evidence, and therefore can only be interpreted as unnecessarily inflamatory/argumentative.

How do you come to this conclusion?

Quote from SamH :

...It was a nonsense post because, as has rightly been pointed out many times over...

Pointed out by who? The users? Some physician?
So who, except the devs, has the basis to tell if lfs is doing the job right?
To be sarcastic, i'd have to say that it isn't "complete" (not refering to the alpha state)and therefore it can't be "correct" and will never be.

Quote from Boris Lozac :

...your "reason" why there is no real life tracks in LFS, is just.... i don't know..

Read my first post and the bulb should give some light...

or how about some "practice mode" ONLY usable things like some yellow->red indicator bar that represents the tyre grip level.
Supposed to learn how much max. throttle to apply when in a rwd car at the apex of a hairpin. (like a visualized indicator analog to the sound of the squealing tyres).
And a second one for the braking bar to know when they are about to block instead of rolling.

These two are for practice mode ONLY...

Quote from Boris Lozac :

Please Micha... stop with those noncence posts please..

1. you don't have the source. So you can't tell if the physics are really that accurate as they're praised to be.
2. Since you can't comply to 1 stop telling me to post "nonCenCe".

pff...

a horrible tought flashing by:

(there's no real track because we would find out how the REAL physics and the simmed physics differ.)

huarrr (frightened)

heres another viewpoint, you all have your points in your argumentation no doubt about it.
A bit drastic, maybee but please think for a moment about what happens to those who follow the same rules of learning.
They specialize themselves more and more they get involved into things.
And thats not bad if youre hunting your setup.

On the other hand you (still) learn your "system" from only one point of view.
I'm talking about looking at a chart of numbers and don't see the big picture, because you're to much concerned about details.

For example take any track you like and any car too, now measure/calculate the vector of travelling you car will take after all corners are added/substracted together (left 60° minus right 87°...etc).
after this walkaround, you can say if a asymetric set would be good.

So if you start analyzing you data, driven by yourself or not doesn't matter, you'll sometimes find some interessting things you would'nt expect them to be there in the first place.

And don't flame me if all this doesn't make any sense to you, im not completely sure if what I was about to say really got expressed.

nah i bet he saw the "Top Gear" report were a bunch of small red cars played with a big inflated ball....

and would surerly cost you about 0.254 kpH

despite the fact lfs is a sim, it shouldn't mean it's got to be complicated.
so +1 here Woz.
On the other hand, show me any professsional real driver that screws on his car, instead of talking to the mechs.
I like the concept cause, I don't know very much about car-specs and "what " to change to get "this" effect.

Last edited by micha1980de, Tue 31 Jan 2006, 20:47.

u mean getting rid of unecessary rubber?
if so, this would be close to cheating

Quote from Jakg :

thats 8 beta for you, i wa invited to use it, but it really lookeed crap so i just stayed with 7.5 and lots of mods

how about trillian 3.1? nothing fancy no commercials/advertisement and even stoneage old versions run.
(for those who don't know, it's a multi protocol messenger, capable of encrypted links between trillians clients, no other client offers that).

the previos time this was threaded it was flamed with some arguments about the clarity of the quarter mile as a standard worldwide...

Altough i'm for it i guess it won't happen.
Vote for a real track editor, even this is a friendly dictatorship, dictators can be lured to comply

/thread hijacking...

sorry to offend you, but, is it just me, or do you english speaking people always make that much grammar mistakes?
I mean seriously, I wouldn't mind if this happens when your native language isn't english.
But from my understanding england, australia, america and some minor ex-colonies use english as native language.
So how come these people make sometimes horrible grammar mistakes...?

please don't feel degraded or sth like that, i'm just curious cause similar things happen in my native language too.
I'm far from insulting anyone, i want a clean discussion about that matter.

Thx sincerly
Micha

/thread hijacking... done

Quote from Vendetta :

So your saying, who cares of someones driving the wrong way? :pillepall

nope, he's not driving "wrong way" he's just driving reversed

Quote from sTyleFree :

As long as it does not disturb the race "flow" or prevent anybody from driving a new WR - who cares? Imho it's even damn funny

+1

getting 12.398.592 bytes and thats it...

says error in packed file "crashday_demo.zip"...