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JCTK
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who's that guy going upto the podium for Brawn GP~?

he looks like a taller version of Bourdais~ lol
JCTK
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Quote from Timdpr :Lol Kimi, wandering around in shorts and eating an ice-cream

and that's the BEST strategic call Ferrari has made the whole weekend~!

or should I mean the only strategic call where they didn't stuff it up~
JCTK
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Quote from DevilDare :omg..... best race i've seen for quite some time

Best thing is when yesterday all the Ferrari fans where making fun of Hamilton when he said he will push hard. And what do we see today? Kimi in the wall, Massa retires and Hamilton nearly on the podium

Anyway, Kubica did an amazing job. Shame Vettel had crash with him.

Button tho, top notch man. He was flying, well deserved 1st place.
And poor Rubens, getting pushed and bullyed, still he managed 2nd

Cant wait for Malaysia now!

Lewis did really eventually did made it onto the podium, well not quite literally, after Trulli was penalised...

apparantly Trulli gone off the track when the safety car was deployed, so Lewis passed him when he's off the track, Trulli then came back to re-pass Lewis, and Trulli was handed a penalty after the race.

the god must be really helping the Brawn team, Rubens' car was indestructable and that late crash between Vetel and Kubica bounced him back upto 2nd place~!
JCTK
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Quote from Lateralus :And they're trying to get Indian drivers through the ranks. Even if they run foreign drivers, they're trying to drum up patriotism in India by having "India" in the name of the team.



Yep, I agree, but it won't stop teams from trying to do it. The reign of the manufacturer teams will eventually come to an end, and shifting the focus of a team towards a particular nation is a logical progression from that. Money is money, whether it comes from a car manufacturer or a government. I don't think this trend is a necessarily a positive one either, but it definitely seems to be occuring.

at least Force India is run by an Indian, Super Aguri was run by a Japanese, but as far as I know, Peter Windsor isn't an American~?

what I didn't get is why is he all of a sudden so patriotic to America~? (other than the business reasons behind it)
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Quote from Modoff :I think Bourdais would be a good choice. I mean You say compare him to Vettel? Well I think Vettel is Probably the most talented driver in F1, Hes at least as good as anyone, and Bourdais was Very close to his pace, He made q3 in the last 3 or 4 races as well, In a STR thats pretty good driving, Plus hell have 2 years exp to help the team a bit. For the other driver, Charlie Kimball is very talented and fast, but I dont know if hes had enough training to step up to f1 in a year.
And if they were gonna grab A guy for publicity I think Rahal is a lot better then Andretti. I think he actually has some talent.

Marco Andretti, Is a typical open wheel American race car driver. Little talent, lots of money, and training. We have tons of Really talented drivers over here, its just no one over here is willing to help the talented guys make it.

just one problem with Bourdais thru, he's French after all and it sounds like they want an American~?

and continue on the Marco bashing of sort, he is in A1GP now and he hasn't done anything special yet, and A1GP is already filled with second-rated drivers most of the time anyway...
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JCTK
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Quote from Hyperactive :So in football you need to pay salaries, equipment, rent and fuel etc. But in motorsports you need to pay salaries, equipment, rent and fuel and it's different? There is no difference in what is paid, it is the who that pays that makes the difference



Bollocks. Mclaren, Ferrari and BMW are in along with red bull and renault. Only thing that is missing is some slow and characterless team (honda). To compare that to some past f1 race where there was one winning team and few losing teams makes no comparison to even start with. Tbh. I miss super aguri more than I miss honda.

but there are differences as to how often football teams go around the globe, how many people they need to send out each time, and do they need to operate their own factory~?
I'm just guessing the expenses involved would be different in nature (slightly), and perhaps different in amounts.

as for who that pays, it's sponsors, and people buying merchandises, I guess there're not much difference there is it~? just that football teams get to keep the money they got from ticket sales (?).
JCTK
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Quote from Mustafur :Why must Motorsports be hit soo bloody hard by this recession why can't they attack football or something..

football, all the money goes to the player/coaches/whoever.

motorsport, not only do u need to pay the driver, you also need to operate a whole team of people, keep a factory or workshop of some sort running, buy some tyres (some get theirs sponsored), burn some oil/petrol (some get theirs sponsored), transports equipments all over the world (where as footballs only need to transport the people involved, and some balls, and some shirts), and the list would goes on....
JCTK
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Quote from lizardfolk :No Edwards looked pretty fast, if anyone seemed to struggle a bit it was schumacher as he went wide a couple of times.

On Edwards side if there's a car he struggled with it was the Xbow but that makes sense since he is a stock car driver

judging by how many X-Bow DC crashed, he was struggling in those too~
JCTK
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Quote from tinvek :not directly a racing subject but may have major ramifications for F1

toyota have forecst that they will make a loss for the first time in 71 years


the loss is expected to be circa £1 billion

they are just accounting numbers.

there are too much accountants can do with the numbers, and it is only normal to suddenly "adjust some of the expenses" or adjust some "values of the assets" during the recession, and then blame the "loss" on the recession~
JCTK
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Quote from dawguk :Regardless of what the truth is or is not, it's quite obvious that Ecclestone has lost his head. It's just the poorest business sense, to make information like this publicly known.

Ferrari getting more money than all the other teams is bias towards Ferrari, whether you like it or not. I imagine that if money is so easily pushed around for Ferrari, then there is no reason to assume that other favours aren't also pushed around for Ferrari. If the cap fits ...

luckily it is just one small part of their special deal was made known.

Ferrari getting more than others were widely known already anyway, Bernie only disclosed extra info regarding the prize money for winning the constructors, that Ferrari would've got 80mil more than McLaren.

which in theory should kind of mean Bernie should be hoping that McLaren wins the constructors too~! lol
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Quote from Shotglass :so? the verdict was no constructors points + a 100mil fine (which means they got off very lightly anyway) and they never paid the fine... if that isnt supporting mclaren i dont know what is

how twisted was your theory~?
no matter how the "fine" or "penalty" was handled, it was still a big dent in their budget none the less.

and not forget they havn't proved any of Ferrari information was used on the McLaren, all they proved was some conversations, which Montoya (who has ditched off to NASCAR by then) said was very usual, something along the lines of they all knew each other's weight distribution etc.

Toyota also was accused of stealing Ferrari's systems, did FIA do anything about that~? No they didn't.

even Midland managed to have on their hands DETAILED DRAWINGS of both Red Bulls and Toro Rosso cars to try and proof that both are in fact the same car, isn't that spying on your competitors too~?

and also the Renault example mentioned earlier.
JCTK
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Quote from deggis :Do you think Subaru expected to use the same model, proved to be uncompetitive, whole next decade until last friday when S2000 was confirmed? S2000 as the sole reason just doesn't add up.

http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/72500

Also this doesn't sound like future of WRC turned them off...

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so as I said, they had need a lots of investments and developments to be competitive in WRC spec cars, which will end soon anyway, so why not pull out now and "consider the future".

and where did I said I expect Subraru to keep the same model the whole next decade~? or that S2000 was the "sole" reason for them to pull out~?

all that I said was there were RUMOURS that Suzuki and Subraru not liking the S2000 rules BEFORE the financial crisis, which was also reported on Autosport. Something along the lines of why bother throwing plenty of money on developing their uncompetitive WRC spec machines when it'll be ditched in a couple of years anyway, and I believe Subraru has said something even stronger, but the S2000 rules has since been modified...
JCTK
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Quote from deggis :Why, according to your theory, Subaru pulled out two years advance then?

they'd need a sh*tload of investments and developments to get their current car to be competitive with the Ford and Citroen...

why bother continue spending money on something that'll be discontinued in a couple of years time~?
JCTK
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havn't there been rumours about Subraru and Suzuki both doesn't really like the idea of S2000 BEFORE the financial crisis~?

they just suddenly got a pretty good excuse, or it is part of the causes, for pulling out of WRC...
JCTK
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Quote from MAGGOT :Alonso leaving would not be the worst thing to happen to F1. The FIA will make sure of that.



I can admit he does have talent, but he is no where near Schumacher. Schumacher wasn't a whiny little tit, either.

because Schumacher was smart enough not to say out loud "I want a crap teammate" and "I can't compete if my teammate is at least on the same level as me"~
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Quote from 5haz :It's quite clear that Bernie couldn't care less about tradition and nostalgia, it doesn't make him enough pennies.

The only GP in Europe that will survive is Monaco, because they a) Pay a lot of money and b) They tell Bernie what to do, not the other way round.



Yeah, but he doesn't care, he just wants to make money, I hope some kind of coup in f1 happens soon.

I thought Monaco is:
a). the only GP that doesn't have to pay Bernie anything
b). but they still got to tell Bernie what to do anyway
JCTK
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Quote from Syfoon :I thought the same about the Vectra.

Aren't the two comparable in size?

I think the latest mondeo has grown quite a lot in size through, making it very incompatible (or uncompetitive) for BTCC...
hatchback is the way to go... short car with long(ish) wheelbase and short overhangs...
JCTK
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Quote from BlueFlame :Mustafur is a devil people. haha
and JTCK the person Mustafur just replied to, appears to be half-of-a-devil.

oops so I should keep myself right out of the devil's conversation~

ooh and on a completely different side note, we now has a first time ever black F1 World Champion and a first time ever black president for the US, how time has changed... lol
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JCTK
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Quote from Mustafur :obviously YOU NEVER WATCHED F1 BEFORE, or YOU DON'T GIVE A STUFF ABOUT WHAT HAPPENED AT OTHER TEAMS OTHER THAN MCLAREN OR FERRARI~?


that came from what I have read before regarding to what u posted, and what u said about the Heikki gifting the position to Lewis~
JCTK
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Quote from Intrepid :LOL Imagine if Murray was commentating on that race.

I would be VERY worried that he would have had a heart attack when Vettel passed Hamilton~?
I nearly had one myself~ lol
JCTK
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Quote from Mustafur :Please read before posting next time i was replying to a quote

sorry I DID read the quote regarding the points I was making~
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Quote from Mustafur :Vettels overall pace was uncomparable to anyone that day, one lap pace is completely different.
The truth was even Webber was faster then Hamilton, only reason he was even behind him in the first place was due to a poorly timed pit stop and the fact hamilton can't block without hitting someone.

Remember Vettel still had a far surpirior Mclaren behind him(kovy) getting the **** pwned out of it.

And dont give me the Massa is crap because Kimi let him past in china bs, What about Germany this year?

Did lewis not get gifted by hekki's obvious wide corner attempt?

The fact is Massa has been at the front of the grid mostly all season and when he wasn't I could probably agree but that only comes back to one race and thats silverstone, but hey bahrain in the dry is more difficult?

Massa has the ability to pass through the field as shown last year but this year he hasn't been put in the same situation as much, so thats why.

Hes only real chance to show that in normal conditions was in canada and allthough he did come 5th he overtook half the race whilst being on a unfavourable pit strategy.


Also what happened in Bahrain and france this year with lewis, i totally forgot?

Now to end the massa bs and get back to the season conclusion.

Excellent end to the season, The BETTER MAN WON(yes thats right so please).

Looking forward to next year Alonso and Piquet have been confirmed for what should be a title contening Renault hopefully next year.

Next year will be super hard to predict and i think reliablity will be a HUGE issue next year, the gaps between cars are going to be huge but it promotes more races like suzuka 05 which is.

obviously YOU NEVER WATCHED F1 BEFORE, or YOU DON'T GIVE A STUFF ABOUT WHAT HAPPENED AT OTHER TEAMS OTHER THAN MCLAREN OR FERRARI~?

what happened at Germany was common practice amongst F1 teams for crying out loud, one driver in a team is clearly faster than the other, of course the slower driver (who isn't leading at the time obviously), would let the other driver go through, so the faster driver can go attack the drivers in front, which in the end the team would score more points. Doesn't take a huge amount of brain powers to work that one out. that happened all the time...

Where as the swap of position in China was just that, a pure swap of position, where THE FASTER DRIVER gave the position away to the SLOWER DRIVER at that particular race, notice any difference in the two scenario~?

havn't watched the posts before yet so I won't comment on your other points.... yet~
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Quote from Mustafur :Hes fault really, the team asked what tires he wanted he wanted inters and failed.
Everytime Lewis set fast times Vettel matched it, and he was out the front coasting with a huge lead.

Nearly a whole page of essay bs and you base BMW's whole season performance on the last corner, sorry but that is just pathetic.

Its funny How people Claim Massa sucks because he can only win from the front row yet he has won the most races this season, what does that say.

Plus show me a race start this season that beats Massas Hungry attempt

it is also similarly blatant to ignore what happened at other races through...

AND IF NOT FOR THAT SPA PENALTY, Lewis would have won 6 and Massa 5, don't forget Massa got a race win handed to him on a shiny golden plate. (and similarly one taken away from the engine going boom in Hungary, but that's his team fault, not from outside influence)
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Quote from Rappa Z :From what I have watched, Massa has only gotten better over the last few races. He certainly is WDC material. It's just that he has some unfortunate failures and team errors. He was simply unlucky in the end. A lot like how Hamilton was unlucky last year.

If you really think he will never win a championship, that's like someone saying last year that Hamilton will never improve to win a championship. Or it's like saying Hamilton will never win a championship again (which although I don't like it he most certainly will).

or what if Massa didn't spun out in Malaysia all by himself...
or whatever happened at Australia (was it an engine failure that eventually put him out~? but he was down at the back anyway after being the only car that spun on the first corner thanks to the first ever start with no TC).
he might be unlucky in the end, but don't forget he also had an extremely crappy start to the season.

Hamilton is only in his 2nd year on F1 too, he still got plenty to learn and plenty to improve on, where as how many years it took Massa (and a few others but I can't be bothered naming them) to reach the level of performance he's at now~?
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Quote from Mustafur :But you have to be Amazed at the fact it was the slowest car of the season for the first 5 races.

when they were using LAST year's car....
how amazing could that be that they improved significantly when they finally got their hands on THIS year's car~?
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